Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Wolfgang Lonien [EMAIL PROTECTED]


* Package name: zenoss
  Version : x.y.z
  Upstream Author : Erik Dahl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.zenoss.org/
* License : GPL Version 2
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT 
infrastructure monitoring software product.

Zenoss provides a compelling alternative to:
* low-end commerical monitoring tools that provide limited 
functionality and scaleability (e.g What's Up Gold...)
* high-end commercial packages that are notoriously expensive and 
complicated (e.g. IBM Tivoli, BMC Patrol, HP OpenView...)
* building an integrated, scalable open source solution yourself by 
pulling together many component projects


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Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 03:01:28PM +0200, Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
 * Package name: zenoss
   Version : x.y.z

Version?

   Description : Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT 
 infrastructure monitoring software product.

That's too long for a short a description 

 Zenoss provides a compelling alternative to:
 * low-end commerical monitoring tools that provide limited 
(...)

This description does not describe what Zenoss does, how it compares to other
OSS monitoring or management systems (like Nagios, Cheops, Cacti, Mrtg, 
Rddtool...)
it also should *not* include names of propietary products since that does not
help people that do not know them to determine what Zenoss actually does.

Please state facts and features, that description is pure maketing b**t.
Please, re-read the Developer's Reference, 6.2.1 General guidelines for
package descriptions available at
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-desc-basics

Regards

Javier


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Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Steve Greenland
On 07-Apr-06, 08:01 (CDT), Wolfgang Lonien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 * Package name: zenoss
   Version : x.y.z

Need version number (I realize that this may be moving target right now,
just don't want to forget it in the final.)

   Upstream Author : Erik Dahl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 * URL : http://www.zenoss.org/
 * License : GPL Version 2
   Programming Lang: Python
   Description : Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT 
 infrastructure monitoring software product.

Don't use the package name in the short description - they'll always be
displayed together in the normal tools.

The short description needs to be less than a line to display with the
normal tools, and since it's widely used for searching, probably doesn't
need meaningless advertising words like powerful, integrated, and
easy-to-use. Perhaps;

Description: network infrastucture monitoring and alerting tool

 Zenoss provides a compelling alternative to:
 * low-end commerical monitoring tools that provide limited 
 functionality and scaleability (e.g What's Up Gold...)
 * high-end commercial packages that are notoriously expensive and 
 complicated (e.g. IBM Tivoli, BMC Patrol, HP OpenView...)
 * building an integrated, scalable open source solution yourself by 
 pulling together many component projects
 

Yes, but what does it *do*? SNMP monitoring? Network service monitoring?
Local resource (e.g. diskspace or CPU usage) monitoring? Alert
by e-mail, or pager, or IM? Web based? How is it configured? Any
autodetection capabilities?

Please save the marketing nonsense for the upstream website, and provide
the Debian users with enough info to determine if the tool is something
they might be able to use.

Steve
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Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 03:01:28PM +0200, Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
 * Package name: zenoss
   Version : x.y.z

I doubt it.

   Description : Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT 
 infrastructure monitoring software product.

1) Repeats the package name
2) Way too long
3) Spends most of it's time blowing it's own trumpet instead of telling us
what it actually is

Description: infrastructure monitoring tool

would be far better.

 Zenoss provides a compelling alternative to:
 * low-end commerical monitoring tools that provide limited 
 functionality and scaleability (e.g What's Up Gold...)
 * high-end commercial packages that are notoriously expensive and 
 complicated (e.g. IBM Tivoli, BMC Patrol, HP OpenView...)
 * building an integrated, scalable open source solution yourself by 
 pulling together many component projects

Instead of dumping on the competition, why not tell us what makes zenoss so
good?

- Matt


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Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
Matthew Palmer wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 03:01:28PM +0200, Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
 [a quick and overly enthusiastic ITP against WNPP for zenoss]

Ok, Matt  others,

thanks for pointing that out for me. Justin said I should tell you all
that there's a thread at debian-mentors about it.

I hope to describe it better in the package I'll make.
But thanks again.
cheers,
wjl aka Wolfgang Lonien
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Bug#361253: ITP: zenoss -- Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT infrastructure monitoring software product.

2006-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Lonien
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 03:01:28PM +0200, Wolfgang Lonien wrote:
 * Package name: zenoss
   Version : x.y.z
 
 Version?

Oh ooops - seems like my personal multitasking abilities were disabled
for a while... sorry.

Since this will be my first package ever: how do I correct my bug
report 361253 against WNPP? Simply with:

-   Version : x.y.z
+   Version : 0.19.3

?

   Description : Zenoss is a powerful, integrated, easy-to-use IT 
 infrastructure monitoring software product.
 That's too long for a short a description 

Hmmm ok. I'll correct that one, too.

 Zenoss provides a compelling alternative to:
 * low-end commerical monitoring tools that provide limited 
 (...)
 This description does not describe what Zenoss does, how it compares to other
 OSS monitoring or management systems (like Nagios, Cheops, Cacti, Mrtg, 
 Rddtool...)
 it also should *not* include names of propietary products since that does not
 help people that do not know them to determine what Zenoss actually does.

ok...

 Please state facts and features, that description is pure maketing b**t.
 Please, re-read the Developer's Reference, 6.2.1 General guidelines for
 package descriptions available at
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-desc-basics

I will surely have the 3 books at my desk when packaging this. Sorry for
my quick  overly enthusiastic bug report, abd thanks a lot for taking
the time and correcting me.

I CC it to debian-mentors, since I obviously need some help and don't
wanna bother in -devel too much.

cheers,
wjl aka Wolfgang Lonien
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