Bug#505878: ITP: libfunambol-cpp-client-api -- unclarified AGPL

2008-11-18 Thread MJ Ray
David Bremner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You might want to follow up on the thread in debian-legal
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/11/msg00046.html
 I understand someone from Funambol is following that thread.

 It would be nice to have some concensus about what, if any exceptions
 are required for AGPL software to be in main.

I'm aware of the thread.  Francesco Poli already provided a link from
that thread to a more detailed list of queries
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/11/msg00233.html
and I don't think it becomes more persuasive if I repeat one of them.

Hope that helps,
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Bug#505878: ITP: libfunambol-cpp-client-api -- unclarified AGPL

2008-11-17 Thread MJ Ray
libfunambol-cpp-client-api appears to be under a plain AGPLv3.

Clause 13 of the AGPLv3 requires hosting users to provide access
to the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge to
every visitor to the web pages generated by this software.  If used to
produce a public website, this is an infinite download liability and a
significant cost may result from running the software.  Further, the
cost is disproportionate to the modification because the whole
software must be offered and not only the modifications.

So, I believe this does not meet DFSG 1, 4, 3 and/or 6 as it stands:
it requires a fee for use, restricts the source code from being
modified without allowing distribution of patch files, and/or
discriminates against use of modified versions for production of
public websites.

I think some copyright holders of software under AGPLv3 have stated
that linking to an upstream download site is sufficient provision of
access for the parts you did not modify, regardless of the
availability of that site, which would clear DFSG 4 and reduce the
1/3/6 concerns immensely.  For example
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/08/msg00056.html
There is nothing in the FSF FAQ about this yet either way.
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html

Would libfunambol-cpp-client-api's copyright holders agree to make a
similar statement?

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Bug#505878: ITP: libfunambol-cpp-client-api -- unclarified AGPL

2008-11-17 Thread David Bremner

At Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:51:40 +,
MJ Ray wrote:
 
 I think some copyright holders of software under AGPLv3 have stated
 that linking to an upstream download site is sufficient provision of
 access for the parts you did not modify, regardless of the
 availability of that site, which would clear DFSG 4 and reduce the
 1/3/6 concerns immensely.  For example
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/08/msg00056.html
 There is nothing in the FSF FAQ about this yet either way.
 http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html
 
 Would libfunambol-cpp-client-api's copyright holders agree to make a
 similar statement?
 

Perhaps; they have expressed willingness to make some efforts to help
Debian, although this was about the issue of whether section 13
applies to client code. 

You might want to follow up on the thread in debian-legal

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/11/msg00046.html

I understand someone from Funambol is following that thread.

It would be nice to have some concensus about what, if any exceptions
are required for AGPL software to be in main.






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