Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
* TANIGUCHI Takaki tak...@asis.media-as.org, 2009-10-15, 11:35: * Package name: xcite Version : 1.58 Upstream Author : HIROSE Yuuji [yu...@gentei.org] * URL or Web page : http://www.gentei.org/~yuuji/software/ * License : original This software is distributed as a free software without any warranty to anything as a result of using this. Especially, I am not responsible for the case when you cite your friend's mail with a silly citation prefix in a serious situation :) * Can I incorporate this program into Debian package? Yes. Upstream's agreement neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for a piece of software to be included in Debian. First of all, it needs to have a clear, DFSG-free license attached... This Yes is NOT a special answer only for Debian. My recognition on `free software' is not the permanently constant notion. Therefore I won't define the fixed license sentences at any moment of my life. ...which upstream refuses to provide. All I can say now is I hope the free software be; freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. If there is A license clauses which implies these points above in some era, this software can be classified into the group that the clauses want to assume as `free'. This wording is far too vague. Please bug upstream to use a well-known license. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
I talked upstream author. He wouldn't provide any additional license term. His logic is ... * xcite is free software. * free software satisfies freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. So he thinks xcite's license is defined explicitly. How do you feel ? On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:11:49 +0200 uba...@users.sf.net(Jakub Wilk) said: * TANIGUCHI Takaki tak...@asis.media-as.org, 2009-10-15, 11:35: * Package name: xcite Version : 1.58 Upstream Author : HIROSE Yuuji [yu...@gentei.org] * URL or Web page : http://www.gentei.org/~yuuji/software/ * License : original This software is distributed as a free software without any warranty to anything as a result of using this. Especially, I am not responsible for the case when you cite your friend's mail with a silly citation prefix in a serious situation :) * Can I incorporate this program into Debian package? Yes. Upstream's agreement neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for a piece of software to be included in Debian. First of all, it needs to have a clear, DFSG-free license attached... This Yes is NOT a special answer only for Debian. My recognition on `free software' is not the permanently constant notion. Therefore I won't define the fixed license sentences at any moment of my life. ...which upstream refuses to provide. All I can say now is I hope the free software be; freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. If there is A license clauses which implies these points above in some era, this software can be classified into the group that the clauses want to assume as `free'. This wording is far too vague. Please bug upstream to use a well-known license. -- Jakub Wilk -- 谷口 貴紀 (TANIGUCHI Takaki) tak...@asis.media-as.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
[TANIGUCHI Takaki] * free software satisfies freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. ([R]e-)distributable without any charge for itself implies, or may imply, that I cannot put xcite on a CD with other Debian software and sell the CD for profit. The author possibly intended that I can, but the statement is too ambiguous. The author also does not give permission to distribute modified versions. You might think this is implied ... but not necessarily. In particular this was a problem with Pine; the license looked as though perhaps we could distribute modified versions, but upstream didn't think they had said that. [U]nless the author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed makes the clause fairly meaningless, because the whole point of a copyright license is to grant rights that would otherwise infringe the author's copyrights. It is a bit like saying You may steal things from stores except where prohibited by law. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
Upstream author provides new license. This program is distributed as a free software. You can use/copy/modify/redistribute this software freely but with NO warranty to anything as a result of using this software. How is it? On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:06:46 -0500 pe...@p12n.org(Peter Samuelson) said: [TANIGUCHI Takaki] * free software satisfies freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. ([R]e-)distributable without any charge for itself implies, or may imply, that I cannot put xcite on a CD with other Debian software and sell the CD for profit. The author possibly intended that I can, but the statement is too ambiguous. The author also does not give permission to distribute modified versions. You might think this is implied ... but not necessarily. In particular this was a problem with Pine; the license looked as though perhaps we could distribute modified versions, but upstream didn't think they had said that. [U]nless the author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed makes the clause fairly meaningless, because the whole point of a copyright license is to grant rights that would otherwise infringe the author's copyrights. It is a bit like saying You may steal things from stores except where prohibited by law. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- 谷口 貴紀 (TANIGUCHI Takaki) tak...@asis.media-as.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
[TANIGUCHI Takaki] This program is distributed as a free software. You can use/copy/modify/redistribute this software freely but with NO warranty to anything as a result of using this software. How is it? Better. I think the context makes it clear what the author means, but some people may still argue that use/copy/modify/redistribute does not say that we can distribute modified copies. I _think_ that was the sort of problem we had with Pine upstream. I don't know what the ftpmasters would say, obviously. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:39:15 -0500 pe...@p12n.org(Peter Samuelson) said: [TANIGUCHI Takaki] This program is distributed as a free software. You can use/copy/modify/redistribute this software freely but with NO warranty to anything as a result of using this software. How is it? Better. I think the context makes it clear what the author means, but some people may still argue that use/copy/modify/redistribute does not say that we can distribute modified copies. I _think_ that was the sort of problem we had with Pine upstream. Upstream author is also yatex author. He says above license is yatex license copy, and yatex is main package. So I think it is enough. -- 谷口 貴紀 (TANIGUCHI Takaki) tak...@asis.media-as.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#551026: ITP: xcite -- exciting cite utility for Emacsen
Package: wnpp Owner: tak...@asis.media-as.org Severity: wishlist * Package name: xcite Version : 1.58 Upstream Author : HIROSE Yuuji [yu...@gentei.org] * URL or Web page : http://www.gentei.org/~yuuji/software/ * License : original This software is distributed as a free software without any warranty to anything as a result of using this. Especially, I am not responsible for the case when you cite your friend's mail with a silly citation prefix in a serious situation :) * Can I incorporate this program into Debian package? Yes. This Yes is NOT a special answer only for Debian. My recognition on `free software' is not the permanently constant notion. Therefore I won't define the fixed license sentences at any moment of my life. All I can say now is I hope the free software be; freely usable, freely (re-)distributable without any charge for itself, freely modifiable unless the original author(=me)'s copyrights are infringed or neglected, absolutely not responsible to any result from itself. If there is A license clauses which implies these points above in some era, this software can be classified into the group that the clauses want to assume as `free'. Description : exciting cite utility for Emacsen xcite enables you to register as many mail/news citation prefix as you like according to each author, and to select those headers randomly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
