Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 08:25:33PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: > On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:39:02PM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > > I wonder who many people use the word "Coran" for Qur'an in English. If > > this is quite frequent, you might want insert this synonym somewhere in > > the description. > > In my experience, it's either "Qur'an" or "Koran." I think Gunnar used > "Coran" because TTBOMK that's the term that's used in Spanish (except > with an accent: Corán). > Well, in fact, in French that is "Le Coran", with a 'C' and not a 'K'. In Italian that is "Il Corano". Interestingly , the word is always accompanied by the definite article in both languages, although I do not know if the article should be necessarily be capitalized. -- Best regards, Filippo -- Filippo Rusconi, PhD - CNRS - public key C78F687C Author of ``massXpert'' at http://www.massxpert.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100504220556.gb4...@biophypfr
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:39:02PM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 23:18 +0300, أحمد المحمودي wrote: > > * Package name: othman > > * License : Waqf Public License > > Description : electronic Quran browser > > > > Othman electronic Quran browser displays Quranic text in Othmani script > > style > > as written under authority of Othman ibn Affan the companion of prophet > > Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). > > Regarding the long description, > > Not everyone knows that "Othmani script" is a script for Arabic. (I > didn't know it anyway;) So it might be worth mentioning that the text is > in Arabic only (is it?). > > > Othman project features fast search, autoscrolling > I suggest "Othman brower features fast search and autoscrolling" Thanks for the above suggestions. > Copy/Paste is a trivial feature. You might want to drop it from the > description (except if this feature is fairly unique for Quran readers) Yes, the uniqueness is that copy/paste can actually copy the text in the non-Othmani arabic script (called Imla'i script, that's an arabic word transliterated, I dunno the proper translation unfortunately). This is because usually text processors (& fonts) do not support the Othmani script, hence pasting the verse in a text processor for example would give un-readable result. > I wonder who many people use the word "Coran" for Qur'an in English. If > this is quite frequent, you might want insert this synonym somewhere in > the description. I realized that people using the word "Coran" have french background. -- أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) Digital design engineer GPG KeyID: 0xEDDDA1B7 GPG Fingerprint: 8206 A196 2084 7E6D 0DF8 B176 BC19 6A94 EDDD A1B7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100504201502.gh2...@ants.dhis.net
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 23:18 +0300, أحمد المحمودي wrote: > * Package name: othman > * License : Waqf Public License > Description : electronic Quran browser > > Othman electronic Quran browser displays Quranic text in Othmani script style > as written under authority of Othman ibn Affan the companion of prophet > Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Regarding the long description, Not everyone knows that "Othmani script" is a script for Arabic. (I didn't know it anyway;) So it might be worth mentioning that the text is in Arabic only (is it?). > Othman project features fast search, autoscrolling I suggest "Othman brower features fast search and autoscrolling" > copy Quranic text to clipboard. Copy/Paste is a trivial feature. You might want to drop it from the description (except if this feature is fairly unique for Quran readers) I wonder who many people use the word "Coran" for Qur'an in English. If this is quite frequent, you might want insert this synonym somewhere in the description. My 2 cents, Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1273001942.3088.553.ca...@solid.paris.klabs.be
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:39:02PM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: > I wonder who many people use the word "Coran" for Qur'an in English. If > this is quite frequent, you might want insert this synonym somewhere in > the description. In my experience, it's either "Qur'an" or "Koran." I think Gunnar used "Coran" because TTBOMK that's the term that's used in Spanish (except with an accent: Corán). -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 10:24:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Without getting deeper in the licensing of Othman itself, would you > consider the text of the Coran itself to be DFSG-free? I _think_ that > any religious text can only be distributed verbatim, not modified in > any way - That is completely legitimate, as it has been debated over > and over regarding the IETF RFCs. The Koran is definitely out of copyright, and thus in the public domain. While altering the actual text may be pointless (and disrespectful for the religion in question), it is still allowed, at least in a vast majority of countries. And taking excerpts or adding commentary is a damn popular thing to do. -- 1KB // Microsoft corollary to Hanlon's razor: // Never attribute to stupidity what can be // adequately explained by malice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100504090723.ga4...@angband.pl
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
أحمد المحمودي dijo [Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:48:47PM +0300]: > On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 11:27:27AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > "Harm others" is a vague term that can be applied to a wide range of > > activities usually considered ok[1]. > > I am indeed discussing this matter with upstream. That license terms > need to be clear not vague. Without getting deeper in the licensing of Othman itself, would you consider the text of the Coran itself to be DFSG-free? I _think_ that any religious text can only be distributed verbatim, not modified in any way - That is completely legitimate, as it has been debated over and over regarding the IETF RFCs. -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100504032453.gc5...@gwolf.org
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
Hi, On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 02:19:03PM +0300, أحمد المحمودي wrote: > > Clear or vague, if they stick to a license that restricts usage, then > > it fails DFSG #6. > > See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html, for > > example, for a quite similar case. > Yes, but it can be placed in non-free, right ? I think the main problem is that "good" is a subjective term, so people who believe that they are doing "good" feel entitled to use the work, and others who disagree with their views will claim that they are in breach of the licence. Who gets to be the authority on what is "good"? I'd also prefer if people would not use my software for causes I find objectionable, but I don't think I can even do so much as draw a clear line what constitutes "use". For example, I've written a tiny script that will take your GPG key and produce a printable file with the important data of the key arranged so that you can easily create bits of paper to hand out at keysigning events. Now, people are using this to establish secure communication channels, which can be used for any kind of purpose, including conspiring to commit crime. Am I at fault for not excluding this in the licence? Have I facilitated that crime because I made it easier for the criminals to conspire? I think at some point I just have to decline responsibility for others. Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100501130212.gc2...@honey.hogyros.de
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:48:47PM +0300, أحمد المحمودي wrote: > On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 11:27:27AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > "Harm others" is a vague term that can be applied to a wide range of > > activities usually considered ok[1]. > > I am indeed discussing this matter with upstream. That license terms > need to be clear not vague. Clear or vague, if they stick to a license that restricts usage, then it fails DFSG #6. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html, for example, for a quite similar case. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100501110426.ga9...@glandium.org
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 11:27:27AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > "Harm others" is a vague term that can be applied to a wide range of > activities usually considered ok[1]. I am indeed discussing this matter with upstream. That license terms need to be clear not vague. > This fails the DFSG, unless we interpret the phrase "permissive > principles" as limited to only those parts of Islam which grant some > kind of permission rather than forbid something. Since religions (and > laws in general) operate by restricting things, being unable to > actually grant something not otherwise possible without that > religion/law, such an interpretation doesn't appear to make much > sense, though. I don't understand this paragraph. -- أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) Digital design engineer GPG KeyID: 0xEDDDA1B7 GPG Fingerprint: 8206 A196 2084 7E6D 0DF8 B176 BC19 6A94 EDDD A1B7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100501094847.gc2...@ants.dhis.net
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 01:04:26PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > Clear or vague, if they stick to a license that restricts usage, then > it fails DFSG #6. > See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html, for > example, for a quite similar case. ---end quoted text--- Yes, but it can be placed in non-free, right ? -- أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) Digital design engineer GPG KeyID: 0xEDDDA1B7 GPG Fingerprint: 8206 A196 2084 7E6D 0DF8 B176 BC19 6A94 EDDD A1B7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010050903.ge2...@ants.dhis.net
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:18:34PM +0300, أحمد المحمودي wrote: > * Package name: othman > Description : electronic Quran browser > * URL : http://othman.ojuba.org > * License : Waqf Public License http://www.ojuba.org/wiki/waqf/license While I do like the preamble of the license (putting aside religion and anti-Americanism), the body does include significant usage restrictions: # The user may use the work for any good purpose and he may not use it to # harm others or violate the permissive principles of Islam. "Harm others" is a vague term that can be applied to a wide range of activities usually considered ok[1]. Most of these seem to be irrelevant to a Quran browser[2], unless you consider criticizing Islam to be "harming". "Violate the permissive principles of Islam" seems to forbid using this browser to search for, or refer to, lines of Quran which are harmful from whatever side of view. This is a legitimate use of this package. This fails the DFSG, unless we interpret the phrase "permissive principles" as limited to only those parts of Islam which grant some kind of permission rather than forbid something. Since religions (and laws in general) operate by restricting things, being unable to actually grant something not otherwise possible without that religion/law, such an interpretation doesn't appear to make much sense, though. Also, this comment mentions issues found by Fedora guys: } 2009/11/14 21:21 هشام هواري, } السلام عليكم و رحمة الله تعالى و بركاته، } Before trying to submit hijra, I exposed this license to #fedora-devel on } irc, and it was seen as being non-free, the reason is this excerpt : “The } user may use the work for any good purpose and he may not use it to harm } others or violate the permissive principles of Islam. Notice that any } work that is most likely harmful can't be put under Waqf in the first place” } The definition of “good” must be clear. } I hope that you will take that into consideration. } في أمان الله } و السلام عليكم و رحمة الله تعالى و بركاته [2]. Even if a restriction seems to be moot for the intended use, one of key Free Software freedoms is being able to repurpose the program in question for anything else, including taking small pieces of code for use in totally unrelated software. [1]. Examples of "harming others" being generally ok: * any piece of software used in a company that builds a highway that would relieve the traffic in a large city, but to build the highway, you need to remove a single house. Obviously, that house's dweller will be harmed even if he receives generous compensation due to childhood memories and other such considerations. * anything used during an audit that exposes a slacker, embezzler, terrorist or fraudster. The person caught will be obviously harmed, even if he intended harm himself. In fact, during a war or most struggles, you can't even undisputably name one side as "good" and the other as "evil". Heck, this includes even disputes between neighbours about a flower on the hedge between their houses. * use in a nuclear power plant. While many, including me, consider those to be nearly strictly better, cleaner and safer than coal plants, there are many which consider these to be outright evil. In fact, we have seen multiple software licenses which disallowed any such use for "moral" grounds as opposed to merely not risking standing afoul of some unnamed regulation. -- 1KB // Microsoft corollary to Hanlon's razor: // Never attribute to stupidity what can be // adequately explained by malice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100501092727.gb17...@angband.pl
Bug#579796: ITP: othman -- electronic Quran browser in Python
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "أحمد المحمودي" * Package name: othman Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : Muayyad Saleh Alsadi * URL : http://othman.ojuba.org * License : Waqf Public License Programming Lang: Python Description : electronic Quran browser Othman electronic Quran browser displays Quranic text in Othmani script style as written under authority of Othman ibn Affan the companion of prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). . Othman project features fast search, autoscrolling, copy Quranic text to clipboard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100430201834.17387.16984.report...@localhost.localdomain
