Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

Justin B Rye wrote:
> DevRef recommends no extra capitalisation in a synopsis - that would
> be "book about...".  And I wouldn't use "with" quite like that.  How
> about:
> 
> Description:  book in German about Debian package management

I've now committed "book about Debian package management written in
German" as short description. Hope that's still fine for English ears
and eyes. :-)

Thanks for the feedback!

> # This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
> # and Frank Hofmann as a single HTML page, as a
> # PDF document and as an e-book in the epub format.

Fixed, thanks!

Regards, Axel
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Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 08:04:40PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
> > * Package name: debian-paketmanagement-buch
> 
> it feels a bit weird to see a package name mostly made up out of German
> words…

I know. But it's on purpose and I don't see a reason to change it. :-)

> not sure what would be better though. maybe
> debian-paketmanagement-book ?

Urgh, no! That's "Denglisch" or "Germish", i.e. a mixture of German
and English and surely worse. :-)

The plan is the following:

* The source package will probably named "internationally": dpmb (for
  either "Debian-Paket-Management-Buch" or "Debian Package Management
  Book" since the website is also on www.dpmb.org.

> >   Description : German-written book about package management with Debian
> 
> maybe better "Book about package management with Debian in German"?

Not bad, but I'd use "... written in German"

> Or "German book about…" or "German language book"?

Nah, both sound to me like books about the German language..

> > This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
> > and Frank Hofmann as single HTML page, as PDF document and as e-book in
> > the epub format.
> 
> The long description should probably also mention the language the book
> is written in.

Indeed, thanks!

Justin B Rye wrote:
> Holger Levsen wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 08:04:40PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
> >> * Package name: debian-paketmanagement-buch
> > 
> > it feels a bit weird to see a package name mostly made up out of German
> > words… not sure what would be better though. maybe
> > debian-paketmanagement-book ?
> 
> It feels weird to see it all lowercase like that.

*g* But at least the dashes are correct in German! ;-)

> >>   Description : German-written book about package management with 
> >> Debian
> 
> "German-written" would mean "written by Germans" - a more efficient
> alternative to "ghost-written".

LOL, indeed! But it's actually still true. ;-)

> > maybe better "Book about package management with Debian in German"? Or
> > "German book about…" or "German language book"?
> 
> DevRef recommends no extra capitalisation in a synopsis - that would
> be "book about...".  And I wouldn't use "with" quite like that.  How
> about:
> 
> Description:  book in German about Debian package management

Sounds nice and slim, thanks!

> >> This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
> >> and Frank Hofmann as single HTML page, as PDF document and as e-book in
> >> the epub format.
> > 
> > The long description should probably also mention the language the book
> > is written in.
> 
> I don't know; as long as it mentions the German book title I'd think
> that would be enough.  In fact you might argue that a long description
> like this should be *entirely* in German, so that people who can't
> read it immediately recognise this package as useless to them.  But
> that's not what policy currently says,

And even then. I'd consider it common sense to have the primary
package description in English, and it should explicitly state that
the book is in a non-English language, like e.g.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/aptitude-doc-fi

> and if it's going to be in
> English it needs a couple of tweaks to the articles:
> 
> # This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
> # and Frank Hofmann as a single HTML page, as a
> # PDF document and as an e-book in the epub format.

Thanks!

Regards, Axel
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Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Justin,

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:11:42AM +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:
> "German-written" would mean "written by Germans" - a more efficient
> alternative to "ghost-written".

*g*
 
thanks for (all) your quick and informative feedback!


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Holger


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Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Justin B Rye]

Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 08:04:40PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
>> * Package name: debian-paketmanagement-buch
> 
> it feels a bit weird to see a package name mostly made up out of German
> words… not sure what would be better though. maybe
> debian-paketmanagement-book ?

It feels weird to see it all lowercase like that.
 
>>   Description : German-written book about package management with Debian

"German-written" would mean "written by Germans" - a more efficient
alternative to "ghost-written".
 
> maybe better "Book about package management with Debian in German"? Or
> "German book about…" or "German language book"?

DevRef recommends no extra capitalisation in a synopsis - that would
be "book about...".  And I wouldn't use "with" quite like that.  How
about:

Description:book in German about Debian package management

>> This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
>> and Frank Hofmann as single HTML page, as PDF document and as e-book in
>> the epub format.
> 
> The long description should probably also mention the language the book
> is written in.

I don't know; as long as it mentions the German book title I'd think
that would be enough.  In fact you might argue that a long description
like this should be *entirely* in German, so that people who can't
read it immediately recognise this package as useless to them.  But
that's not what policy currently says, and if it's going to be in
English it needs a couple of tweaks to the articles:

# This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
# and Frank Hofmann as a single HTML page, as a
# PDF document and as an e-book in the epub format.

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sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package

Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Axel,

kudos for the book and packaging it for Debian!

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 08:04:40PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
> * Package name: debian-paketmanagement-buch

it feels a bit weird to see a package name mostly made up out of German
words… not sure what would be better though. maybe
debian-paketmanagement-book ?

>   Description : German-written book about package management with Debian

maybe better "Book about package management with Debian in German"? Or
"German book about…" or "German language book"?
 
> This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
> and Frank Hofmann as single HTML page, as PDF document and as e-book in
> the epub format.

The long description should probably also mention the language the book
is written in.


-- 
cheers,
Holger


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Bug#821328: ITP: debian-paketmanagement-buch -- German-written book about package management with Debian

[Axel Beckert]

Package: wnpp
Owner: Axel Beckert 
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: debian-paketmanagement-buch
  Version : 0~2016.04.17
  Upstream Author : Axel Beckert , Frank Hofmann 

* URL or Web page : http://www.dpmb.org/
* License : CC-BY-SA-4.0
  Description : German-written book about package management with Debian

This package contains the book "Debian Paketmanagement" by Axel Beckert
and Frank Hofmann as single HTML page, as PDF document and as e-book in
the epub format.