Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Adrien Grellier]

Hi,

Does the situation has evolved since 2018 ? I see that the client tools
are now in Debian, but is there any chance to have NextCloud server in
Debian ?

Upstream does not seems to provide any repository at all, contrary to
ownCloud.

Kind regards,

Adrien

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Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

e-gleich-m-c-quad...@fantasymail.de wrote:
>Even if debian chooses to not feature the nextcloud server, (which I would
>regret) please consider the client.

At least owncloud-client is still in Debian:

https://packages.qa.debian.org/o/owncloud-client.html
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=owncloud-client

Regards, Axel
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Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[e-gleich-m-c-quadrat]

Dear all,

 

I can respect if the official debian opinion is to not provide the nextcloud server as package.

My understanding is, that the reason for this is the messy update process of owncloud in the past. Although I very much aggree with Dan, that nextcloud is working on making the aweful update process easier.

 

Is there any alterantive to nextcloud that comes by official debian packages?

 

Even if debian chooses to not feature the nextcloud server, (which I would regret) please consider the client. As a server admin I can deal with the mess of the update process, but I simply cannot ask my users to compile the client from source. Frankly, even on my own everyday machines, I prefer a "packages only" installation...

 

BR and many thanks

Wilhelm

 

 

 

Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Daniel Scharon]

Hi all,

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:33:35 +0200 Axel Beckert  wrote:
> 
> Do I read that right, the chances for nextCloud in Debian are rather
> low while the chances to get ownCloud back in Debian raised due to the
> obnoxious upstream developers left together with nextCloud fork and
> the remaining developers are more friendly towards distributions?
>

upstream Nextcloud explicitly listed the ability to skip releases as one
of their goals [0], which should ease a lot of the problems of packaging
for stable.
They also stated that they hope Debian and other distributions would
provide packaging (as they won't) [1].

Kind regards,
Dan

[0]
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-and-its-planned-update-improvements/296
[1]
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/migrating-from-owncloud-to-nextcloud/551/31




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Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Axel Beckert]

Hi David,

David Prévot wrote:
> Le 22/09/2016 à 01:08, Sam Hartman a écrit :
> >> "Xavier" == Xavier Bestel  writes:
> > Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff
> > >> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
> > >> properly.  Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.
> > 
> > Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.
> > 
> > I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
> > Debian contributors...
> 
> Moritz is an active and well known member of the security team.

That still doesn't make his opinion "official". I don't think that
something like an "official Debian opinion" exists at all.

> The current ownCloud upstream maintainers reached back to us a few
> months ago and are willing to help (or at least not be as obnoxious as
> the ones who drove the package away from Debian, and are now gone in the
> nextcloud fork team).

Do I read that right, the chances for nextCloud in Debian are rather
low while the chances to get ownCloud back in Debian raised due to the
obnoxious upstream developers left together with nextCloud fork and
the remaining developers are more friendly towards distributions?

Regards, Axel
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Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[David Prévot]

Le 22/09/2016 à 01:08, Sam Hartman a écrit :
>> "Xavier" == Xavier Bestel  writes:
> Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff

> >> > * Package name: nextcloud

> >> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
> >> properly.  Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.
> 
> Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.
> 
> I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
> Debian contributors...

Moritz is an active and well known member of the security team. As the
current (or previous…) almost only maintainer of owncloud in Debian, I
do agree with this (strong) advice.

The current ownCloud upstream maintainers reached back to us a few
months ago and are willing to help (or at least not be as obnoxious as
the ones who drove the package away from Debian, and are now gone in the
nextcloud fork team). If someone wants the owncloud package back, I
suggest them to join the current packaging team and eventually take over.

Regards

David



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Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Sam Hartman]

> "Xavier" == Xavier Bestel  writes:

Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff
Xavier> a écrit :
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
>> > 
>> > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist
>> > 
>> > * Package name: nextcloud
Xavier> [...]
>> > Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people
>> > behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a
>> difficult > relationship with distro maintainers, there may be
>> problems for > packaging that correctly.  > But Nextcloud is
>> still a highly relevant package for Debian.
>> 
>> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
>> properly.  Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.

I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
Debian contributors...  Well, I think it is the official Debian POV that
in order to include a package, we need to be able to support it.
Whether we will or will not be able to support nextcloud is up to
interpretation.

>From a user standpoint, having something that has the functionality of
opencloud/nextcloud is quite important in the enterprise space.
However, we do need to be able to get things to work.

--Sam

Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Xavier Bestel]

Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > 
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > * Package name: nextcloud
[...]
> > Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people
> > behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult
> > relationship with distro maintainers, there may be problems for
> > packaging that correctly.
> > But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian.
> 
> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it properly.
> Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.

Regards,
Xav

Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Moritz Mühlenhoff]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name: nextcloud
>   Version : 9
>   Upstream Author : Frank Karlitschek 
> * URL : https://www.nextcloud.com/
> * License : AGPL
>   Programming Lang: PHP
>   Description : self-hosted cloud services
> 
> Nextcloud gives you a private, secure way to share, work with others and 
> access your own data using an easy to use interface. Be it music, calendar 
> appointments, bookmarks, email or your documents, Nextcloud keeps your data 
> safe.
> Nextcloud gives organizations control over their data. Manage access to data 
> and communication across devices and platforms, on-premise, on existing 
> storage or with cloud storage. Nextcloud integrates in your infrastructure, 
> offering the extensibility and features you need.
> 
> Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people behind it, and 
> that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult relationship with distro 
> maintainers, there may be problems for packaging that correctly.
> But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian.

Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it properly.
Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

Cheers,
Moritz

Bug#835086: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Xavier Bestel]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: nextcloud
  Version : 9
  Upstream Author : Frank Karlitschek 
* URL : https://www.nextcloud.com/
* License : AGPL
  Programming Lang: PHP
  Description : self-hosted cloud services

Nextcloud gives you a private, secure way to share, work with others and access 
your own data using an easy to use interface. Be it music, calendar 
appointments, bookmarks, email or your documents, Nextcloud keeps your data 
safe.
Nextcloud gives organizations control over their data. Manage access to data 
and communication across devices and platforms, on-premise, on existing storage 
or with cloud storage. Nextcloud integrates in your infrastructure, offering 
the extensibility and features you need.

Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people behind it, and 
that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult relationship with distro 
maintainers, there may be problems for packaging that correctly.
But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian.

Cheers,

Xav