Bug#953378: enough conflict, BS
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, March 9, 2020 7:54 PM, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 07:09:41PM +, Melanie Frost wrote: > > > Dear Sam > > Dear All, > > > From an outsider perspective, this doesn't look like something that > > belongs in the bug system. I don't know your point of view but it > > looks spiteful. > > The volunteer was elected as a community representative and he's been > > hounded ever since. It looks like he asked people to stop these games, > > he resigned and he was still chased. > > Making up reasons and stories to justify this retrospectively doesn't > > wash with me. Nobody ever presented any evidence of wrongdoing before, > > you can't just make it up now and declare it to be true because you > > are the leader. > > Please think about removing these records of vendettas from Debian. > > You always talk about healing but there is no healing when these records > > are persisted in all the Debian tools, you are making Debian a target > > and setting the standard for future confrontation. > > Melanie > > That does not compute: An outsider worried about "this". > > In other words: The bullshit has been seen. > > Request: Leave this crap as manure. Debian can be better than this, really
Bug#953378: enough conflict
> "Melanie" == Melanie Frost writes: Melanie> The volunteer was elected as a community representative and Melanie> he's been hounded ever since. It looks like he asked Melanie> people to stop these games, he resigned and he was still Melanie> chased. The issue is that Daniel is still chasing us. In this specific instance, I responded because Daniel filed an ITP. If Daniel resigned and stopped interacting with the Debian community, we would be a lot happier, and I would not have chosen to respond this way. The primary issue from Debian's side is that Debian has asked someone to leave--to stop interacting. And yet they are still interacting by doing things like filing ITPs. We are not chasing anyone. We are responding and reacting to being chased on websites like debian.community, in our own BTS, and in other fora. We are responding to being chased by having messages bcc'd to large numbers of our contributors even after we have banned someone from posting to our lists. In some cases, this has been done by Daniel. In other cases this has been done by people using anonymous accounts using techniques that are very similar to techniques described on a website run by Daniel. We reject these forms of interaction. If it were not for these forms of interaction, we would be much less vocal/much less interested in making public statements. --Sam
Bug#953378: enough conflict, BS
On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 07:09:41PM +, Melanie Frost wrote: > Dear Sam Dear All, > From an outsider perspective, this doesn't look like something that > belongs in the bug system. I don't know your point of view but it > looks spiteful. > > The volunteer was elected as a community representative and he's been > hounded ever since. It looks like he asked people to stop these games, > he resigned and he was still chased. > > Making up reasons and stories to justify this retrospectively doesn't > wash with me. Nobody ever presented any evidence of wrongdoing before, > you can't just make it up now and declare it to be true because you > are the leader. > > Please think about removing these records of vendettas from Debian. > You always talk about healing but there is no healing when these records > are persisted in all the Debian tools, you are making Debian a target > and setting the standard for future confrontation. > > Melanie That does not compute: An outsider worried about "this". In other words: The bullshit has been seen. Request: Leave this crap as manure. Regards Geert Stappers P.S. I was thinking about how to feed poison to the troll. Second thought is keeping toxic stuff out of the environment. Yes, that is way better. -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#953378: enough conflict
Dear Sam >From an outsider perspective, this doesn't look like something that belongs in >the bug system. I don't know your point of view but it looks spiteful. The volunteer was elected as a community representative and he's been hounded ever since. It looks like he asked people to stop these games, he resigned and he was still chased. Making up reasons and stories to justify this retrospectively doesn't wash with me. Nobody ever presented any evidence of wrongdoing before, you can't just make it up now and declare it to be true because you are the leader. Please think about removing these records of vendettas from Debian. You always talk about healing but there is no healing when these records are persisted in all the Debian tools, you are making Debian a target and setting the standard for future confrontation. Melanie
