Re: Questions about latest build

2001-07-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:57:50AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
 I see in wml_run.log that many files (e.g. www-a-reviser.fr.html) are
 marked being created under french/international/french and copied into 
 the right location, but they are not there (nor under source directory).
 Could someone tell me why?

Eh, what? They're there. I just repeated a make install and they seem to be
there.

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Re: Opera - Debian.org

2001-07-31 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Josip Rodin 

| On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:57:58AM +0200, Endre Steigum wrote:
|  Dear Business Developer of Debian.org,
| [...]
| 
| peterk, tfheen, did we do something to upset you guys? Although, I can't
| think of anything that would cause you to unleash your marketing droids
| upon us... ;)

;)

Don't blame me either.  I was on vacation.

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http://www.de.debian.org/releases/woody/index.de.html

2001-07-31 Thread Norbert.Reschke
Hey,
there is an error on page
http://www.de.debian.org/releases/woody/index.de.html
in a link that should point to http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/;
and is called testing

...
Diese Distribution befindet sich zur Zeit in der ``testing'' Phase.
...

nore



Re: http://www.de.debian.org/releases/woody/index.de.html

2001-07-31 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001, Norbert.Reschke wrote:
 Hey,
 there is an error on page
 http://www.de.debian.org/releases/woody/index.de.html
 in a link that should point to http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/;
 and is called testing

 Thank you for the notice, I fixed the bug in cvs, it will be fixed on
the pages during the next run.  If you find more, just let us know :-)

 So long,
Alfie
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Re: Open Source is not the same as Free Software

2001-07-31 Thread Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona

Ellaborating a bit.

My impression is that free software (at least as it is understood by
Debian, see DFSG) and open source software (see the Open Source
Definition) are essentgially the same.

Then you have the free software movement and the open source software
movement. They are rather different, although rather interlaced...

Saludos,

Jesus.

Josip Rodin writes:
  On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:13:02PM +0100, Jaime E . Villate wrote:
   At the beginning of intro/free.wml it says:
   PstrongNote:/strong In February 1998 a group moved to replace the term
   Free Software with Open Source Software. As will become clear in the
   discussion below, they both refer to essentially the same thing.
   
   I think we should change it.
   Free Software and Open Source Software are two different movements and
   the second term poses several problems as you can
   read in http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
  
  Our and FSF/GNU's view of the situation differs. For some of the latest of
  official SPI/Debian views on the issue, see
  http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/resolutions/resolution-2001-04-26.nl
  which has the following preamble:
  
  The Open Source term was established as a marketing term for free
  software (i.e., software which all people may freely use, study, modify,
  and share). SPI was founded to assist, support and defend the creation
  of free software.  The Open Source definition is rooted in the
  definition of free software used by the Debian Project, an SPI member
  organization. The Open Source name is a central element to the SPI
  mission because it is a recognized term both among developers and
  businesses. SPI is committed to using its influence and resources to
  help ensure that the Open Source name represents the tenets and beliefs
  of the communities from which it grew.
  
  In http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/minutes/20010516 there are the following
  statements from Ean Schuessler:
  
There are two ways we can go with this Open Source thing. We can turn
the domains over to OSI, which I believe is a bad idea for reasons I
think I've made relatively clear both in email and in the IRC
discussion. Or we can form a committee to solicit assistance from the
community and try to turn the domains into a useful tool for insuring
that the definition of Free Software stays consistent. I think that
protecting the meaning of Free Software (even when it is called Open
Source) is well defined in our charter and I think our path of action
here should be clear.
  
  [...]
  
  Ean wanted people to join a new Open Source committee to discuss these
  issues. His main personal concern is that a fork between the terms Free
  Software and Open Source is not acceptable. A decision is made to form
  the OS committee under lead of Ean and let them work on the issue.
  
  So, basically, if you want to change the official Debian stance on the
  issue, and therefore the web page, you need to talk to someone else than
  debian-www.
  
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Bug#82852: DWN index for each year needs to depend on all the issues for that year

2001-07-31 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi,

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:42:06 -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
  The Makefile dependencies are broken.  I mailed a fix earlier
  today, but it still doesn't capture that the annual indices should
  depend on the issues for that year.  I'll try to come up with a
  solution this evening.

 I can't figure out how to make the index for each year depend on
 all the issues for that year.  Does anyone else know how to do
 this?

I just tried to fix this, but it didn't seem to work. My thoughts were:

*/index.$(LANGUAGE).html: %/index.$(LANGUAGE).html: $(wildcard $*/*/index.wml)
  $(wildcard $(ENGLISHSRCDIR)/News/weekly/$*/*) \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/header.wml \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/index.wml \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/footer.wml

This was just a guess based on the info in the make manual, and it didn't
work. Looks like $* can't be used in the DEP-PATTERNS part, only COMMANDS.
Using % instead of $* doesn't work, either.

Does anyone have a hint?

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Re: Questions about latest build

2001-07-31 Thread Denis Barbier
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 09:57:19AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:57:50AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
  I see in wml_run.log that many files (e.g. www-a-reviser.fr.html) are
  marked being created under french/international/french and copied into 
  the right location, but they are not there (nor under source directory).
  Could someone tell me why?
 
 Eh, what? They're there. I just repeated a make install and they seem to be
 there.

Really? Cannot find any www-*.fr.html under
http://www.debian.org/intl/french/

Denis



Re: Questions about latest build

2001-07-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
   I see in wml_run.log that many files (e.g. www-a-reviser.fr.html) are
   marked being created under french/international/french and copied into 
   the right location, but they are not there (nor under source directory).
   Could someone tell me why?
  
  Eh, what? They're there. I just repeated a make install and they seem to be
  there.
 
 Really? Cannot find any www-*.fr.html under
 http://www.debian.org/intl/french/

Okay, something went wrong :) They really are gone now. I think it could be
caused by the remove_stale.pl script. I'll check it out.

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Problem building wml

2001-07-31 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Hello all,

I am having this problem:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]/debian/www/webwml/portuguese/News/weekly] # make
2001/18/index.pt.html
cd 2001/18  wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2001 -o UNDEFuPT:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   index.wml
** IPP:Error: file not found: debian/countries.def
** WML:Break: Error in Pass 1 (rc=1).
make: ** [2001/18/index.pt.html] Erro 1

I tried to get the english's directory makefile but it didn't suffice..
I read the countries.wml thread but I don't think that I found
something usefull there...

maybe we should change something in the wmls? 

Well, this one shouldn't break as it is the new DWN's wml =(

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Re: Problem building wml

2001-07-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:11:08PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
 I am having this problem:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/debian/www/webwml/portuguese/News/weekly] # make
 2001/18/index.pt.html
 cd 2001/18  wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2001 -o UNDEFuPT:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 index.wml
 ** IPP:Error: file not found: debian/countries.def
 ** WML:Break: Error in Pass 1 (rc=1).
 make: ** [2001/18/index.pt.html] Erro 1
 
 I tried to get the english's directory makefile but it didn't suffice..
 I read the countries.wml thread but I don't think that I found
 something usefull there...

Try updating webwml/english/template/debian from CVS.

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Re: Questions about latest build

2001-07-31 Thread Denis Barbier
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:24:29PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
I see in wml_run.log that many files (e.g. www-a-reviser.fr.html) are
marked being created under french/international/french and copied into 
the right location, but they are not there (nor under source directory).
Could someone tell me why?
   
   Eh, what? They're there. I just repeated a make install and they seem to 
   be
   there.
  
  Really? Cannot find any www-*.fr.html under
  http://www.debian.org/intl/french/
 
 Okay, something went wrong :) They really are gone now. I think it could be
 caused by the remove_stale.pl script. I'll check it out.

Thanks, I was going crazy ;)

Denis



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Re: Bug#82852: DWN index for each year needs to depend on all the issues for that year

2001-07-31 Thread Denis Barbier
[removed Cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 11:54:11PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:52:12PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
  | I just tried to fix this, but it didn't seem to work. My thoughts were:
  | 
  | */index.$(LANGUAGE).html: %/index.$(LANGUAGE).html: $(wildcard 
  $*/*/index.wml)
  |   $(wildcard $(ENGLISHSRCDIR)/News/weekly/$*/*) \
  |   $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/header.wml \
  |   $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/index.wml \
  |   $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/footer.wml
  | 
  | This was just a guess based on the info in the make manual, and it didn't
  | work. Looks like $* can't be used in the DEP-PATTERNS part, only COMMANDS.
  | Using % instead of $* doesn't work, either.
  
  */index.$(LANGUAGE).html: %/index.$(LANGUAGE).html: $(shell find $* -name 
  index.wml) \ 
  $(wildcard $(ENGLISHSRCDIR)/News/weekly/$*/*) \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/header.wml \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/index.wml \
  $(TEMPLDIR)/weeklynews/footer.wml
  
  Seems to work.
  
  (At least the first part -- you might need to fix up the wildcard part
  as well.)
  
  I would think this is a bug in make, but I don't know Make well
  enough.
 
 Tollef, your version is working.
 
 Manoj, this looks like a problem with the $(wildcard) function. Am I right?

Looks like I should commit my patch about automatic dependencies ;)
It does not automagically handle such complicated stuff, but it should
be quite trivial to adapt it.
I still wonder whether overhead caused by dependency computations is
acceptable or not.

Denis
Index: Makefile.common
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/Makefile.common,v
retrieving revision 1.41
diff -u -r1.41 Makefile.common
--- Makefile.common 2001/07/28 09:18:26 1.41
+++ Makefile.common 2001/07/31 22:12:03
@@ -87,8 +87,17 @@
 
 # the rule for every wml file
 ifndef NOGENERICDEP
-%.$(LANGUAGE).html : %.wml $(WMLBASE)/../.wmlrc $(WMLBASE)/.wmlrc \
-  $(TEMPLDIR)/template.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/languages.wml $(HTMLDEP)
+
+DEPS_MAKE_DIRECTORY := $(shell mkdir .deps /dev/null 21 || :)
+
+-include $(patsubst %.wml,.deps/%.d,$(WMLFILES))
+
+.deps/%.d: %.wml
+   wml -p1 -M $(WMLOPTIONS) \
+ -i $(WMLBASE)/../.wmlrc -i $(WMLBASE)/.wmlrc \
+ -o $*.$(LANGUAGE).html -o $@ $(F)  $@
+
+%.$(LANGUAGE).html : %.wml
$(WML) $(F)
 ifeq $(LANGUAGE) en
 ifeq $(findstring /international/,$(CURDIR)/) 


Improve remove_stale.pl

2001-07-31 Thread Denis Barbier
Hi,

this patch reads .staleignore files to keep specified files (should
have know about this script before ;))

Denis
Index: remove_stale.pl
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/remove_stale.pl,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.7 remove_stale.pl
--- remove_stale.pl 2001/07/31 22:39:19 1.7
+++ remove_stale.pl 2001/07/31 23:22:50
@@ -56,6 +56,15 @@
return 0;
}
 
+   # Read .staleignore if it exists
+   my @ignores = ();
+   if (open IGNORE, $directory/.staleignore)
+   {
+   @ignores = IGNORE;
+   chomp(@ignores);
+   close IGNORE;
+   }
+
my @wmlfiles = ();
my @htmlfiles = ();
while (ENTRIES)
@@ -81,7 +90,7 @@
# file, except in the english dir
if (-f $direntry  $direntry =~ /\.html$/  $direntry !~ 
/sitemap\..*\.html$/)
{
-   my ($haswml, $incvs) = (0, 0);
+   my ($haswml, $incvs, $ign) = (0, 0, 0);
 
# Check for WML file.
my $source = $direntry;
@@ -115,6 +124,17 @@
}
 
unless ($haswml || $incvs)
+   {
+   # Check if HTML file is listed in .staleignore
+   my ($file) = ($direntry =~ m'([^/]+)$');
+   my $ignore;
+   IGNORES: foreach $ignore (@ignores) {
+   $ign = 1, last IGNORES
+   if $ignore eq $file;
+   }
+   }
+
+   unless ($haswml || $incvs || $ign)
{
# File has no reason for being here.
$count ++;


Re: Problem building wml

2001-07-31 Thread Craig Small
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:23:46PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:11:08PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
  I am having this problem:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]/debian/www/webwml/portuguese/News/weekly] # make
  2001/18/index.pt.html
  cd 2001/18  wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2001 -o UNDEFuPT:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  index.wml
  ** IPP:Error: file not found: debian/countries.def
  ** WML:Break: Error in Pass 1 (rc=1).
  make: ** [2001/18/index.pt.html] Erro 1
  
  I tried to get the english's directory makefile but it didn't suffice..
  I read the countries.wml thread but I don't think that I found
  something usefull there...
 
 Try updating webwml/english/template/debian from CVS.

The NM pages are getting that problem too.

  - Craig
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