Re: debian web page: Multilingual stuff

[Tak Kaneko]

Didn't know about having to set my browser... I think it's still better to
be able to manually select which language you want to read it in because
there are times when I want to read pages in English and other times when
it's better to read them in another language. At the moment, Debian
doesn't give you any choice...

tak

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Jaime E . Villate wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:03:26PM -0400, James A. Treacy wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:06:02PM +0100, Tak Kaneko wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I've got Japanese IME installed on my PC and tried to view the Debian web
> > > page using Internet Explorer. I keep getting Japanese as the default. Even
> > > if I select the English option, the next page I download ends up being
> > > Japanese...
> > >
> > You need to be careful. When selecting english, does it show 'en-us (or
> > some other country variant)? If so, you need to make sure you select
> > 'en' without a country code. See http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html
> > for an explanation.
>
> I think you have misunderstood Tak's comment. When he said "I select the
> English option", I think he was not referring to the multilanguage
> configuration of the browser. He was saying that when he clicks on a link that
> says "English" at the bottom of an html page, he gets an English page, but if
> he follows any link on that page he gets Japanese again and not English as he
> would expect it.
>
> And please do not tell me once again that "the multilanguage feature can be
> easily configured in every browser to make the Debian pages work as anyone
> expects them to work". Let's face it, a lot of people never configure the
> multilanguage feature of their browsers, and we will keep getting these kind
> of bug reports over and over again, no matter how much we try to educate the
> public about multiviews.
>
> Cheers,
> Jaime
>
>

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Bug#117032: www.debian.org: Last wml build of www.debian.org/doc/admin-manual not successful

[Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pena]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: 20011025
Severity: normal


It seems that the latest rebuild of w.d.o has not worked properly
with http://www.debian.org/doc/admin-manuals. If you take a look at the
HTML source it seems that the WML entities have not been translated.
However, a build of the current (updated) CVS version of that same
document yields a proper HTML document. 
Please force a rebuild for that page.

Thanks

Javi


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archive.debian.org

[Andrea Pasquinucci]

I am trying to access archive.debian.org because I would like to get some 
packages for hamm (Debian 2.0) but archive.debian.org doesn't answer, not 
even ping. Thanks for help,

Andrea

Re: debian web page: Multilingual stuff

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Tak Kaneko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-10-25 10:13]:
> Didn't know about having to set my browser... I think it's still better to
> be able to manually select which language you want to read it in because
> there are times when I want to read pages in English and other times when
> it's better to read them in another language. At the moment, Debian
> doesn't give you any choice...

 This very topic was just raised this week (or was it last week?), so
please read the archives for the reaoning for why not switching to
dynamic pages and why it's not possible without dynamic pages.

 We'd be glad to hear if you know a solution - otherwise no need to
provide us with widely known "features" :)

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Re: archive.debian.org

[Christian Surchi]

> ==
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:14:59 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Andrea Pasquinucci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> Subject: archive.debian.org
> ==
>
> 
> I am trying to access archive.debian.org because I would like 
> to get some
> packages for hamm (Debian 2.0) but archive.debian.org doesn't 
> answer, not
> even ping. Thanks for help,

Try this:

ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/pub/linux/debian-archive/dists/

BTW, we should say that archive.d.o is dead with saens from so many time and 
maybe list other archives.


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Bug#117050: www.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/favicon.ico is corrupted.

[Andrew Lau]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A; reported 2001-10-25
Severity: normal

Hello,
Just noting that the favourites icon at
 is either corrupted or horribly
mangled. Just try viewing it in eog or gqview and see.

Thanks,
Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau

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Recommendation for your site

[stephen . 1978]

Gentlemen:

I have a possible recommendation for your web site.

I am currently considering switching distros, and was 
considering Debian.  There is certain information I am 
looking for to make my decision, but was not able to 
find easily on your site.  

What would be helpful is a summary of software in the 
current release, including the following:

Current kernel version.
Current GNOME/GTK version.
Current KDE version.
A short list of the major additional pkgs and apps you 
provide, like mySQL, Postgress, etc.

I guess I'm looking for a short listing of contents by 
function/component, as well as the package description.

If this is already on the site, could you tell me 
where?  If not, could you take the time to email me the 
info?

Thanks
harry

Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:22:18AM -0700, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> CVSROOT:  /cvs/webwml
> Module name:  webwml
> Changes by:   joey01/10/25 00:22:18
> 
> Modified files:
>   english/intro  : organization.data organization.tags 
> 
> Log message:
>   Some corrections to reflect the current configuration

Sorry, but

@@ -202,9 +198,9 @@
>Noah Meyerhans
> 
Jay Treacy
-   Darren Benham
Craig Small
Josip Rodin
+   Martin Schulze
> 
Behan Webster
Noél Köthe

is not acceptable if you don't get webmaster mail.

I could also hold your self-imposing against you, but I know your intentions
are benevolent.

Also,

@@ -224,7 +220,6 @@
>
http://db.debian.org/";>> > Karl Ferguson
Jason Gunthorpe
Jay Treacy
Josip Rodin

is just plain wrong!

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:22:18AM -0700, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> > CVSROOT:/cvs/webwml
> > Module name:webwml
> > Changes by: joey01/10/25 00:22:18
> > 
> > Modified files:
> > english/intro  : organization.data organization.tags 
> > 
> > Log message:
> > Some corrections to reflect the current configuration
> 
> Sorry, but
> 
> @@ -202,9 +198,9 @@
> >Noah Meyerhans
> > 
> Jay Treacy
> -   Darren Benham
> Craig Small
> Josip Rodin
> +   Martin Schulze
> > 
> Behan Webster
> Noél Köthe
> 
> is not acceptable if you don't get webmaster mail.

Ok, no problem, remove me.  I don't want to get webmaster mail
as well, that's fine.

> I could also hold your self-imposing against you, but I know your intentions
> are benevolent.
> 
> Also,
> 
> @@ -224,7 +220,6 @@
> >
> http://db.debian.org/";>>  admi>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -   Karl Ferguson
> Jason Gunthorpe
> Jay Treacy
> Josip Rodin
> 
> is just plain wrong!

Hmm, I thought *you* were doing mirrors maintenance and
nobody else.  Especially Karl has dropped away.

Feel free to correct, of course.

Regards,

Joey

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Bug#117032: www.debian.org: Last wml build of www.debian.org/doc/admin-manual not successful

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:57:24AM -, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pena wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> Version: 20011025
> Severity: normal
> 
>   It seems that the latest rebuild of w.d.o has not worked properly
> with http://www.debian.org/doc/admin-manuals. If you take a look at the
> HTML source it seems that the WML entities have not been translated.
>   However, a build of the current (updated) CVS version of that same
> document yields a proper HTML document. 
>   Please force a rebuild for that page.

I don't get it, I see nothing wrong with that page now?

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Bug#117032: www.debian.org: Last wml build of www.debian.org/doc/admin-manual not successful

[Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:31:15PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> 
> I don't get it, I see nothing wrong with that page now?
> 
Rats. It's the spanish version (just did a quick look) I will try
to fix it... it seems the Makefil is not quite right.

Javi

Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> > Ok, no problem, remove me.  I don't want to get webmaster mail
> > as well, that's fine.
> 
> ACK.
> 
> Speaking of which, people might be wondering about the webmaster/debwww
> team: only Jay and myself are full-blown webmasters nowadays. Craig seems to
> stick with maintaining the books and all that stuff, and Darren is, well,
> latent. :|

Ok, so my memory hasn't fooled me with that at least.

> And as for new members, Davide Puricelli inquired about it recently, and I
> might add him once he's went through The Initiation(TM). ;) Other interested
> webwml people are welcome to ask, of course. I reckon a few of you might be
> interested...

Shouldn't he start with fixing and working on the italian translation
and grow up[tm] into a full-blown webmaster?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:23:28PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Sorry, but
> > 
> > @@ -202,9 +198,9 @@
> > >Noah Meyerhans
> > > 
> > Jay Treacy
> > -   Darren Benham
> > Craig Small
> > Josip Rodin
> > +   Martin Schulze
> > > 
> > Behan Webster
> > Noél Köthe
> > 
> > is not acceptable if you don't get webmaster mail.
> 
> Ok, no problem, remove me.  I don't want to get webmaster mail
> as well, that's fine.

ACK.

Speaking of which, people might be wondering about the webmaster/debwww
team: only Jay and myself are full-blown webmasters nowadays. Craig seems to
stick with maintaining the books and all that stuff, and Darren is, well,
latent. :|

The team hasn't been expanded in the last couple of years. It's not because
we're a Cabal[1], but because the volume of webmaster mail that actually
needs to be parsed hasn't grown all that much. I've redirected several
things to debian-www which helps, too. There's a lot more spam to weed out,
though :)

And as for new members, Davide Puricelli inquired about it recently, and I
might add him once he's went through The Initiation(TM). ;) Other interested
webwml people are welcome to ask, of course. I reckon a few of you might be
interested...

> > Also,
> > 
> > @@ -224,7 +220,6 @@
> > >
> > http://db.debian.org/";>>  > admi>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > -   Karl Ferguson
> > Jason Gunthorpe
> > Jay Treacy
> > Josip Rodin
> > 
> > is just plain wrong!
> 
> Hmm, I thought *you* were doing mirrors maintenance and
> nobody else.  Especially Karl has dropped away.

Well, that's what one might think, but Karl is back again since a few months
ago, and still contributes, no matter how sparsely. :)

I could probably move my name to the top of that list... same with other
things. This is chronological, though, which can be useful.

[1] and we are, of course >;)

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:52:29PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > Ok, no problem, remove me.  I don't want to get webmaster mail
> > > as well, that's fine.
> > 
> > ACK.
> > 
> > Speaking of which, people might be wondering about the webmaster/debwww
> > team: only Jay and myself are full-blown webmasters nowadays. Craig seems to
> > stick with maintaining the books and all that stuff, and Darren is, well,
> > latent. :|
> 
> Ok, so my memory hasn't fooled me with that at least.

True, but I'll keep gecko listed until we remove him from the mail alias...
doesn't hurt.

> > And as for new members, Davide Puricelli inquired about it recently, and I
> > might add him once he's went through The Initiation(TM). ;) Other interested
> > webwml people are welcome to ask, of course. I reckon a few of you might be
> > interested...
> 
> Shouldn't he start with fixing and working on the italian translation
> and grow up[tm] into a full-blown webmaster?

As I said, there's The Initiation(TM) :)

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:52:29PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > > Ok, no problem, remove me.  I don't want to get webmaster mail
> > > > as well, that's fine.
> > > 
> > > ACK.
> > > 
> > > Speaking of which, people might be wondering about the webmaster/debwww
> > > team: only Jay and myself are full-blown webmasters nowadays. Craig seems 
> > > to
> > > stick with maintaining the books and all that stuff, and Darren is, well,
> > > latent. :|
> > 
> > Ok, so my memory hasn't fooled me with that at least.
> 
> True, but I'll keep gecko listed until we remove him from the mail alias...
> doesn't hurt.

Ok, keep him spammed, I'm sure he would miss it otherwise...

> > > And as for new members, Davide Puricelli inquired about it recently, and I
> > > might add him once he's went through The Initiation(TM). ;) Other 
> > > interested
> > > webwml people are welcome to ask, of course. I reckon a few of you might 
> > > be
> > > interested...
> > 
> > Shouldn't he start with fixing and working on the italian translation
> > and grow up[tm] into a full-blown webmaster?
> 
> As I said, there's The Initiation(TM) :)

Yeah, but... but...

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/intro organization.data organiz ...

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-10-25 17:58]:
> The team hasn't been expanded in the last couple of years. It's not because
> we're a Cabal[1], but because the volume of webmaster mail that actually
> needs to be parsed hasn't grown all that much. I've redirected several
> things to debian-www which helps, too. There's a lot more spam to weed out,
> though :)
[]
> [1] and we are, of course >;)

 And I always thought TINC  *hmmm*

 You got me puzzled.
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Re: Recommendation for your site

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

Em Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:52:38 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:

> What would be helpful is a summary of software in the 
> current release, including the following:
http://packages.debian.org

try that

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/doc docpolicy.wml

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:49:05AM -0700, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> CVSROOT:  /cvs/webwml
> Module name:  webwml
> Changes by:   joey01/10/25 00:49:05
> 
> Modified files:
>   english/doc: docpolicy.wml 
> 
> Log message:
>   Corrected URL for our policy

But that shouldn't be corrected. Read the document, you just broke the
policy!

If the doc policy needs amending, fine, but don't just change this because
then you make the policy inconsistent.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/doc docpolicy.wml

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:49:05AM -0700, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> > CVSROOT:/cvs/webwml
> > Module name:webwml
> > Changes by: joey01/10/25 00:49:05
> > 
> > Modified files:
> > english/doc: docpolicy.wml 
> > 
> > Log message:
> > Corrected URL for our policy
> 
> But that shouldn't be corrected. Read the document, you just broke the
> policy!
> 
> If the doc policy needs amending, fine, but don't just change this because
> then you make the policy inconsistent.

Err, the link resulted in 404 - that cannot be sane unless you want
to demonstreate that there is no policy in Debian.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by danish: webwml/english/intro organization.tags

[peter karlsson]

> Updated and translated some Danish slices, also fixed the sorting of a tag

Hmm, was

1488c1488
<   [DA:Brandmurer:]
---
>   [DA:Firewalls:]

intended? I googled a bit and found a number of Danish webpages using
"brandmur" as the translation for firewall.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/doc docpolicy.wml

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:11:20PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > CVSROOT:  /cvs/webwml
> > > Module name:  webwml
> > > Changes by:   joey01/10/25 00:49:05
> > > 
> > > Modified files:
> > >   english/doc: docpolicy.wml 
> > > 
> > > Log message:
> > >   Corrected URL for our policy
> > 
> > But that shouldn't be corrected. Read the document, you just broke the
> > policy!
> > 
> > If the doc policy needs amending, fine, but don't just change this because
> > then you make the policy inconsistent.
> 
> Err, the link resulted in 404 - that cannot be sane unless you want
> to demonstreate that there is no policy in Debian.

It wasn't a link, it was a URI.

The doc policy, like the rest of the DDP, can't be considered finished.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/doc docpolicy.wml

[Martin Schulze]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:11:20PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > > CVSROOT:/cvs/webwml
> > > > Module name:webwml
> > > > Changes by: joey01/10/25 00:49:05
> > > > 
> > > > Modified files:
> > > > english/doc: docpolicy.wml 
> > > > 
> > > > Log message:
> > > > Corrected URL for our policy
> > > 
> > > But that shouldn't be corrected. Read the document, you just broke the
> > > policy!
> > > 
> > > If the doc policy needs amending, fine, but don't just change this because
> > > then you make the policy inconsistent.
> > 
> > Err, the link resulted in 404 - that cannot be sane unless you want
> > to demonstreate that there is no policy in Debian.
> 
> It wasn't a link, it was a URI.

Blah!  :)

> The doc policy, like the rest of the DDP, can't be considered finished.

Ok, so now it's one step nearer being finisihed.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joey: webwml/english/doc docpolicy.wml

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:53:24PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > The doc policy, like the rest of the DDP, can't be considered finished.
> 
> Ok, so now it's one step nearer being finisihed.

No, it's just inconsistent now. :|

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Re: debian web page

[Josip Rodin]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:16:05PM +0100, Jaime E . Villate wrote:
> Let's face it, a lot of people never configure the multilanguage feature
> of their browsers, and we will keep getting these kind of bug reports over
> and over again, no matter how much we try to educate the public about
> multiviews.

That's a couple of mails per tens of thousands of views, and it sounds
fairly acceptable to me.

And the requests for linking to the *.??.html pages have only occured
recently, I don't remember seeing any before.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by danish: webwml/english/intro organization.tags

[Kaare Olsen]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:31:04 +0200 (CEST), peter karlsson wrote:

><  [DA:Brandmurer:]
>>  [DA:Firewalls:]
>
>intended? I googled a bit and found a number of Danish webpages using
>"brandmur" as the translation for firewall.

It was on purpose, as "firewall" is used much more often in Danish (and
people immediately know what's being talked about).

I do reserve the right to change it back some day, when I'm in another
mood. :-)

Thanks for studying my changes so closely. :-)

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