Bug#123587: opensource.org not mentioned on /intro/free

[Grant Bowman]

Package: www.debian.org

On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
reference when talking with those less knowledgable.

Thanks,

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Re: Proposal for the redesign of www.debian.org/doc/

[Craig Small]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 07:37:11PM -0500, Jeff Albro wrote:
> If you tell me what "your pages" are I be happy to take a look if you'd
> like.

misc/merchandise
distrib/vendors
distrib/books

(also nm.debian.org and search.debian.org but they're a bit fiddly to
do things on)

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Re: rebuild web site after each commit

[Craig Small]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:36:33PM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> Would it be possible to add a hook so that the web site is rebuilt
> after each commit, or would this overload klecker?

Technically yes I know this is possible because I have something
happening with each commit on a cvs'ed website at work.
But I would probably overload klecker or you'd get wierdness if, say, 
you and I cvs commited within a minute of each other.

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Re: Proposal for the redesign of www.debian.org/doc/

[Josip Rodin]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 09:01:06PM +1100, Craig Small wrote:
> > If you tell me what "your pages" are I be happy to take a look if you'd
> > like.
> 
> misc/merchandise
> distrib/vendors
> distrib/books
  ~~~
That's doc now.

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Re: [oferk@oren.co.il: debian]

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:31PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote:
> FWIW, maybe it is not even a good idea to separate the list of CD
> vendors (on www.d.o) from the rest of the CD information (on
> cdimage.d.o)? That may make sense from an organizational point of
> view, but it is less user-friendly. If the vendor list were added to
> the cdimage website, the "Debian on CD" link on
>  could point directly to cdimage.

I agree, the two sections about CDs should be together. It would probably be
best if we had www.debian.org/CD/vendors and www.d.o/CD/images and then have
http://cdimage.d.o/ redirect to the latter. This would greatly simplify
translations, if anything. The image files would stay on cdimage.d.o, of
course, just the general information HTMLs would be with the rest.

Note also that /CD/images doesn't have to match the visual design of the
rest of www.d.o.

(Note also that we can make symlinks /cd, /CDs, /cds etc for those who can't
remember the exact form :) we do this for /international and /mirror already)

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Re: rebuild web site after each commit

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:36:33PM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> Would it be possible to add a hook so that the web site is rebuilt
> after each commit, or would this overload klecker?

Maybe it wouldn't _overload_ it, but it sure wouldn't make life easy on it.

And BTW if someone touches the core templates several times within 4-6
hours, you know what happens...

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Re: Installation Instructions link

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:09:12PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote:
> What is the proper mailing list for this be discussed? This discussion
> should be moved there.

Well, this is debian-www :)

> I'd like to see each of the links at the top of the page be to a
> separate page:
> * General Information
> * Release Notes
> * New Installations
> * Errata
> * Reporting Problems
> * Credits

I did this for releases/woody/ already. I can do it for releases/potato/,
too. I'll have to change the links to releases/stable/#new-inst for woody
anyway, so why not start now.

> One minor nit about this page is that it is not clear what someone who
> is upgrading should go.

Yeah, unless they read the start of pretty much every section up to the
right one, about release notes. This would be fixed with the above change,
too.

> Also, there are two ways to handle having multiple arches: have each
> section have links to the pages for each arch (as is currently done) or
> to have the user select once what their arch is. I know it would be a
> big change but feel that the second solution would make life easier when
> installing. On the other hand, it would probably make the life of those
> writing those pages much harder.

There's one other problem -- the ports pages differ among each other, as
some have specific user-level data on them, and some don't.

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Bug#123588: search.debian.org instructions link

[Grant Bowman]

Package: www.debian.org


The Intro page has a link to http://www.debian.org/intro/search 
but search.debian.org does not!?

Clearly search.debian.org should have a link to instructions on how 
to use it.

Thanks,

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Bug#102214: package page should offer link to changelog.Debian !

[Christophe Boyanique]

This will be definitively helpfull.

Re: [oferk@oren.co.il: debian]

[peter karlsson]

Josip Rodin:

> (Note also that we can make symlinks /cd, /CDs, /cds etc for those who
> can't remember the exact form :) we do this for /international and /mirror
> already)

Even better would be to have permanent redirects for these (if that's
possible with the mirroring structure we have). Symlink creates distinct
URLs that require extra bandwidth since the recipient don't know that they
are the same.

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Re: Installation Instructions link

[peter karlsson]

Josip Rodin:

> I'll have to change the links to releases/stable/#new-inst for woody
> anyway, so why not start now.

I'd rather see it wasn't changed until woody's release. Wise from the
potato release, we could fix all these links on a branch, and update all the
translations on that branch, and then merge back when the release happens.
Or, even, branch off the potato stuff and have woody on the trunk - that's
probably a better idea. Then we only need to switch to the trunk when woody
goes live, and everything will be there by magic.

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Package: www.debian.org


The Intro page has a link to http://www.debian.org/intro/search 
but search.debian.org does not!?

Clearly search.debian.org should have a link to instructions on how 
to use it.

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On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:57:01PM -0800, Grant Bowman wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> 
> The Intro page has a link to http://www.debian.org/intro/search 
> but search.debian.org does not!?
> 
> Clearly search.debian.org should have a link to instructions on how 
> to use it.

Um, I added that links a few months back.

It's right there, just above the search form, it says "Help on searching".

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by finnish: webwml/finnish/intro about.wml

[peter karlsson]

Debian WWW CVS:

> Modified files:
>   finnish/intro  : about.wml
> Log message:
>   changed marks to euros

Hmm, but should the "disbelief" question really say "thousands of euros"?
Shouln't that scale to "hundreds" or something? :)

Reminds me that I should add euros to the Swedish translation as well.
Probably should have had the Finnish mark values before as well, silly me...
(Changing the blurb about cd costs to "about sixty kronor or less than ten
euro")

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Bug#123587: opensource.org not mentioned on /intro/free

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:51:43PM -0800, Grant Bowman wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> 
> On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
> www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
> a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
> reference when talking with those less knowledgable.

I suppose it would be best if we made the words "Free Software" a link to
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the words "Open Source" a
link to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html Right?

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problem on a www.debian.org page

[Benoit Rouits]

Hello,
just a word to say that none of the links work in page :
http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-fr
Thanks,
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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by finnish: webwml/finnish/intro about.wml

[Ville Tervo]

peter karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Debian WWW CVS:
> 
> > Modified files:
> > finnish/intro  : about.wml
> > Log message:
> > changed marks to euros
> 
> Hmm, but should the "disbelief" question really say "thousands of euros"?
> Shouln't that scale to "hundreds" or something? :)
> 
I was wondering same question while changing marks to euros. 
BTW. 6 FIM ~ 1 EUR so there is software worth "thousands of
euros". I'll change it to "hundreds". It would sound more reasonable.

Thanks for your opinion.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by finnish: webwml/finnish/intro about.wml

[peter karlsson]

Ville Tervo:

> I was wondering same question while changing marks to euros.
> BTW. 6 FIM ~ 1 EUR so there is software worth "thousands of
> euros". I'll change it to "hundreds". It would sound more reasonable.

I originally had "hundreds of kronor" in my Swedish translation (the
original says "a hundred dollar"). Now I just say "cost hundreds", which of
course differs a bit in value if you're counting kronor, mark or euros...

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Re: Bug#123587: opensource.org not mentioned on /intro/free

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:39:09 +0100
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
> > www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
> > a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
> > reference when talking with those less knowledgable.
> 
> I suppose it would be best if we made the words "Free Software" a link to
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the words "Open Source" a
> link to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html Right?
Agreed, it is possible to discover the main site from there, anyway

but just to let you know, I use to reference www.debian.org/intro/free
when talking to those less knowledgable

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Feedback for Craig Small on misc/merchandise:

[Jeff Albro]

Feedback for Craig Small on misc/merchandise:

This page is easy to read, easy to scan, and accomplishes its mission.
It's great!  All I have for you is a few nitpicky improvements.

I don't believe you need the horizontal rules to separate the different
vendors.  The paragraph grouping clearly indicates what goes with what.

I recommend a few wording changes on the product lists and possibly
adding notes on profit shareing for Debian:

(Notes: are my comments and aren't meant for the web page without
editing)

CopyLeft
URL:  (just search for Debian)
Products: T-shirts, polo shirts, hats, frisbees, and stickers

(Note: CopyLeft posts how much is donated to Debian with each purchase, I
think you might want to mention this, assuming Debian has been "shown the
money")

(Note: really cool ultimate-weight frisbees too!  Gimme!)

CafePress
URL: 
Products: T-shirts, hats, mugs, mouse pads, and other articles of clothing

(Note: it looks like some of the money might go to Debian according to the
business model, but I'm not so sure...  anybody know the background here?)

ThinkGeek
URL:  (just search for Debian)
Products: golf shirts

(Note: no mention of donating to Debian)

If we can resolve the donation questions with Cafe Press and ThinkGeek I
think we should post it clearly.  Craig - Do you want me to do the
research for that?  Let's guide people to those who treat Debian the best!

-Jeff


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Re: [oferk@oren.co.il: debian]

[Richard Atterer]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:30:13AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:31PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote:
> > FWIW, maybe it is not even a good idea to separate the list of CD
> > vendors (on www.d.o) from the rest of the CD information (on
> > cdimage.d.o)? [snip]
> 
> I agree, the two sections about CDs should be together. It would
> probably be best if we had www.debian.org/CD/vendors and
> www.d.o/CD/images and then have http://cdimage.d.o/ redirect to the
> latter.

Agreed, except that I think www.debian.org/CD/ should be an
introductory page like the one I put up at cdimage/~atterer, which
contains links to the other pages.

> This would greatly simplify translations, if anything. The image
> files would stay on cdimage.d.o, of course, just the general
> information HTMLs would be with the rest.

This sounds like a good idea, I quite like it! Having the content
available on cvs.debian.org makes it easily accessible to the various
groups of people who might want to change something (CD creators, boot
floppies team, translators...).

What do you think, Phil?

> Note also that /CD/images doesn't have to match the visual design of
> the rest of www.d.o.

Thanks for saying this :) However, even if it doesn't have the same
design initially, this should certainly be an important goal. Site
design changing "in the middle of a site" is usually not acceptable. 
:-/

Cheers,

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Re: [oferk@oren.co.il: debian]

[Richard Atterer]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:49PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote:
> When we first started distributing the iso images, we had a problem
> with people downloading them when that is not what they wanted. 
> Thus, the wording above. Also, since bandwidth is donated, we need
> to be careful that we don't exceed the good will of our sponsors.

Hm, but OTOH currently we're just wasting our sponsors' HD space,
because the official ISO mirror list is *REALLY* hard to find. (Just
try and see if you can find it!)

The *links* should be easy to find. CD mirror admins can always set up
bandwidth throttling if their mirror becomes overloaded...

> With the new (well it's existed for a few years now) set of pages on
> cdimage.d.o that preface the download page maybe the first item
> isn't a concern. The issue of bandwidth should be looked into,
> though, before we make the links more obvious.

But IMNSHO obscuring the links is really the wrong approach! 
Information on a web site should not try to "guide" a visitor because
we "know better" than him; everything should be described so that the
*visitor* can decide what to do and get to the desired information
with the minimum number of clicks. Any "you want to do this and this,
believe me" will annoy a great many visitors.

  Richard

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Re: Installation Instructions link

[Josip Rodin]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 12:45:59PM +0100, peter karlsson wrote:
> > I'll have to change the links to releases/stable/#new-inst for woody
> > anyway, so why not start now.
> 
> I'd rather see it wasn't changed until woody's release. Wise from the
> potato release, we could fix all these links on a branch, and update all the
> translations on that branch, and then merge back when the release happens.
> Or, even, branch off the potato stuff and have woody on the trunk - that's
> probably a better idea. Then we only need to switch to the trunk when woody
> goes live, and everything will be there by magic.

No, you see, there will be no switchover -- links to
/releases/stable/#new-inst weren't going to change with woody; now
/releases/stable/installmanual weren't going to change with woody.

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[steven.robbins@videotron.ca: a web suggestion]

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Hi!

 Steve, I've forwarded your message to the debian-www list which is
better suited for your changerequest; which sounds quite reasonable to
me.

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:40:14 -0500
From: "Steve M. Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mail-Followup-To: debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org
To: debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org
Subject: a web suggestion
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,

I am a maintainer, about to sign a key for a prospective maintainer,
and I needed a refresher on that procedure.  There is a lovely recipe
on debian's page

http://www.debian.org/events/keysigning

but there is no direct link to it from the first place that I looked,
namely step 2 of the new maintainer process

http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2

I think it would be good to link from there, and probably
also from the overview page

http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint

e.g. as a new item on the list "The following pages are for Debian
developers interested in participating".

I hope this message finds its way to the person responsible
for these web pages.

Cheers,
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Re: [oferk@oren.co.il: debian]

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Atterer writes:
>On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:49PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote:
>> When we first started distributing the iso images, we had a problem
>> with people downloading them when that is not what they wanted. =

>> Thus, the wording above. Also, since bandwidth is donated, we need
>> to be careful that we don't exceed the good will of our sponsors.
>
>Hm, but OTOH currently we're just wasting our sponsors' HD space,
>because the official ISO mirror list is *REALLY* hard to find. (Just
>try and see if you can find it!)

Done.  ;)
http://www.debian.org/mirrors/mirrors_full
(I knew where to find this one since I have a hand in debian.uchicago.edu=
)
or
http://cdimage.debian.org/ftp-mirrors.html
(I guessed this one from the format of the rsync-mirrors filename, which =
is =

easier to find)

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Re: [steven.robbins@videotron.ca: a web suggestion]

[Matt Kraai]

Steve Robbins wrote:
> I am a maintainer, about to sign a key for a prospective maintainer,
> and I needed a refresher on that procedure.  There is a lovely recipe
> on debian's page
> 
>   http://www.debian.org/events/keysigning
> 
> but there is no direct link to it from the first place that I looked,
> namely step 2 of the new maintainer process
> 
>   http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2
> 
> I think it would be good to link from there, and probably
> also from the overview page
> 
>   http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint
> 
> e.g. as a new item on the list "The following pages are for Debian
> developers interested in participating".

Done.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Matt

Getting users an easy install without hammering the mirrors.

[Jeff Albro]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Richard Atterer wrote:

> But IMNSHO obscuring the links is really the wrong approach!
> Information on a web site should not try to "guide" a visitor because
> we "know better" than him; everything should be described so that the
> *visitor* can decide what to do and get to the desired information
> with the minimum number of clicks. Any "you want to do this and this,
> believe me" will annoy a great many visitors.
>

I've been doing alot of thinking about this, especially in light of the
information on http://cdimage.debian.org/~atterer/ and I think that there
is a solution that will help Debian's mirrors as well as fill the need for
user ease and simplicity.

Specifically:

"Install directly from the network. Are you sure you really need the CDs?
You can download only a minimal bootable CD image (or a couple of floppy
disc images) containing the installation system. Provided your computer
has an internet connection, the rest of the Debian distribution can be
downloaded if and when needed during installation. "

I think this is great!  It appears to be the best of all possible worlds:

* Low bandwidth hit Saves time for the user (they can burn the cd quicker)

* Installs up to date programs immediately Prepared correctly should
"feel" almost identical to a regular installation.

* Doesn't require additional learning or work form the user such as using
a "build your own" cd program.

* Introduces a new user to the wonders of apt.

HOWEVER, it would appear that these CD images for a "boot CD then yank
from network" install are beta and not fully supported.  If this was fixed
it would seem to be THE way to push users who had a network connection
from their new Debian box.

-Jeff

> Obligatory plug: 

Damn straight.  Power to the users.

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Bug#123587: opensource.org not mentioned on /intro/free

[Grant Bowman]

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011212 10:51]:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:51:43PM -0800, Grant Bowman wrote:
> > Package: www.debian.org
> > 
> > On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
> > www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
> > a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
> > reference when talking with those less knowledgable.
> 
> I suppose it would be best if we made the words "Free Software" a link to
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the words "Open Source" a
> link to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html Right?

Yes, looks good to me.

Thank you,

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Bug#123683: wrong link in http://www.debian.org/events/material

[Christian Surchi]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-12
Severity: normal

"Anand Kumria for the posters" link in Credits section is wrong.
It should be "~akumria" and not "~akumdia".

Bug#123587: marked as done (opensource.org not mentioned on /intro/free)

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On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
reference when talking with those less knowledgable.

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:26:05AM -0800, Grant Bowman wrote:
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> > > 
> > > On the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free there is no mention of 
> > > www.opensource.org.  This clearly should be added even if it's not 
> > > a featured site because I think most Linux people use this site as a 
> > > reference when talking with those less knowledgable.
> > 
> > I suppose it would be best if we made the words "Free Software" a link to
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the words "Open Source" a
> > link to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html Right?
> 
> Yes, looks good to me.

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Bug#123683: marked as done (wrong link in http://www.debian.org/events/material)

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"Anand Kumria for the posters" link in Credits section is wrong.
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> It should be "~akumria" and not "~akumdia".

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Re: New version of /intl/l10n/ pages

[Denis Barbier]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:45:23AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
[...]
> I have rewritten the whole machinery, but moving to the new one will of course
> break wml build, and some care must be taken.
> Here is my proposition for a smooth upgrade, I'll do it tonight (i.e. in ~ 12
> hours) if nobody objects:
>   a) Patch webwml/*/international/Makefile to remove l10n from the list of
>  sub-directories to prevent any wml build under /intl/l10n/
>   b) Commit new version of webwml/english/international/l10n/* files
>   c) Remove old stuff
>   d) Sync translations (this has to be done because the database file has
>  slightly changed)
>   e) In few days, allow build of webwml/*/international/l10n/ again
> 
> After that, daily updates of these webpages will be performed since their
> generation becomes really fast.

Hi,

steps (a) to (c) are done under webwml/english/.
When proposing this transition, I did not realize that current links to PO
files and Debconf templates would be broken due to adoption of a pool
hierarchy.
In order to fix this problem, I would now prefer to exchange (d) and (e),
i.e. build English files ASAP, and committed files accordingly.

So English files will be installed during next build.  
All international/Makefile have been synced with English, except for
danish french german korean swedish
directories, because these languages must first migrate their l10n
directory to the new scheme (which is quite easy, I did it for French).
Translators of these languages, I will let this work into your hands,
and when this is done, remember to add l10n again into international/Makefile.

Last, if build runs fine, someone should remove old files to prevent
problems with content negociation:
cd /org/www.debian.org/debian.org/international/l10n
rm po-* templates-* team-* l10n* i18n*
and also remove outdated index files.
Not sure I will have time (and rights) to do it myself.

Denis