Re: new front page, take 1

[Jeff Albro]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Joey Hess wrote:

> > Add the current DWN to the news area, and show less "other" news.  The
> > logs showed (IIRC) that the DWN was far more popular.
>
> That would be hard, DWN is really not desinged to fit into a little
> box. Unless you mean the (fairly uninteresting) one line summaries of
> each issue.

I do.  Such as the short index descriptions on
http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/

-Jeff

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Joey Hess]

Jeff Albro wrote:
> About the "too many colors" issue.  If you make the top nav bar in a
> similar style as the rest of the page it will all look fine, and avoid the
> "clown pants" effect.

It would help, but we have to keep the debian logo up there, and that at
least means there's still be red on something (logo), yellow on black,
and black on white, on the cyan background. That's still rather a lot of
colors.

> Move the developers corner link into the helping debian box.  It looks
> lonely out there.

Yes.

> Some suggestions that would apply to either this page or the current one:
> 
> Add a search entry box next to the search button on the top nav bar.  You
> have room for it unless you go below 640x480.  Users who are looking to
> search look for an entry box.

Another possibility would be to concentrate the form-y stuff in the
upper-right corner where there is already one short form.

> Add the current DWN to the news area, and show less "other" news.  The
> logs showed (IIRC) that the DWN was far more popular.

That would be hard, DWN is really not desinged to fit into a little
box. Unless you mean the (fairly uninteresting) one line summaries of
each issue.

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Re: out of date web page

[Josip Rodin]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:11:37AM +0100, Neal H Walfield wrote:
> > > Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from
> > > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd> to
> > > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install>, which pointed to
> > > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html>, which is apparently
> > > obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC.
> > > 
> > > This web page should apparently just link to
> > > http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html>.
> > 
> > So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed?
> 
> Yes.  The other guide is not only out of dated but the installation
> method described therein is no longer supported.  Marcus and I have
> agreed that we need to not only update that link

OK. I'll do a mass change (in all languages).

> but also a few others pages; we should get to this Monday or Tuesday.

Please feel free :)

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Re: out of date web page

[Neal H Walfield]

> > Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd> to
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install>, which pointed to
> > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html>, which is apparently
> > obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC.
> > 
> > This web page should apparently just link to
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html>.
> 
> So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed?

Yes.  The other guide is not only out of dated but the installation
method described therein is no longer supported.  Marcus and I have
agreed that we need to not only update that link but also a few others
pages; we should get to this Monday or Tuesday.

Re: out of date web page

[Josip Rodin]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 04:40:58PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from
> http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd> to
> http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install>, which pointed to
> http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html>, which is apparently
> obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC.
> 
> This web page should apparently just link to
> http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html>.

So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed?

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by barbier: webwml/. check_trans.pl stattrans.pl touch_tra ...

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:38:25PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
> > Unfortunately, touch_translations.pl did break latest build :(
> > It is strange, I checked it worked as expected on w.d.o, will have a
> > look on it now.
> 
> BTW, I believe that this script should not be run after WML compilation,
> but from /org/www.debian.org/cron/daily_updates before 4webwml.
> The reason is that current scheme does not work when original document
> is not English.
> 
> Moreover, touch_translations.pl and check_trans.pl do basically perform
> the exact same task, i.e. comparing revision numbers between original
> and translation.
> So unless someone objects, I will certainly add an option -T to
> check_trans.pl to behave like touch_translations.pl.

What happened to this?

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Re: strange link on www.debian.org/devel

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 05:54:07PM +0100, Samu wrote:
> today, when i clicked to New Maintainers' Guide link from
> www.debian.org/devel i reached the french translation of that guide (
> instead of the usual eng page ) . it's a bug/misconfiguration?

Should be fixed now.

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joy: webwml/english/template/debian recent_list.wml

[Denis Barbier]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 05:23:39PM -0800, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> CVSROOT:  /cvs/webwml
> Module name:  webwml
> Changes by:   joy 01/12/30 17:23:39
> 
> Modified files:
>   english/template/debian: recent_list.wml 
> 
> Log message:
>   protect from the second wml pass so it doesn't strip off the ending 
> slashes, this is XML

An alternate solution is to compile dsa.rdf.in with -W2,--expansion=2 flag ;o)

Denis

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at:

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we find the text:

-x-
The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions
specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ.

Please see the LDP FAQ index for more information.
-x-

The "Debian FAQ" link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> -x-
> The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions
> specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ.
> -x-
> 
> The "Debian FAQ" link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a
> paragraph, and the section has two other links toward the beginning of the
> two paragraphs, suggesting a bullet style.  I suggest either converting the
> paragraphs to bullets, or moving the sentence about the Debian FAQ to a
> separate paragraph.

Okay, the latter is done.

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Bug#127126: www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line

[Matt Zimmerman]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-30
Severity: minor

at:

http://www.debian.org/doc/#faqs

we find the text:

-x-
The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions
specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ.

Please see the LDP FAQ index for more information.
-x-

The "Debian FAQ" link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a
paragraph, and the section has two other links toward the beginning of the
two paragraphs, suggesting a bullet style.  I suggest either converting the
paragraphs to bullets, or moving the sentence about the Debian FAQ to a
separate paragraph.

-- System Information
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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux mizar 2.4.17 #1 Sun Dec 30 16:04:41 EST 2001 i686
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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by csmall: webwml/english/distrib vendors.wml

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 02:38:55PM -0800, Debian WWW CVS wrote:
> CVSROOT:  /cvs/webwml
> Module name:  webwml
> Changes by:   csmall  01/12/20 14:38:55
> 
> Modified files:
>   english/distrib: vendors.wml 
> 
> Log message:
>   NOTICE TO TRANSLATORS!! THERE HAVE BEEN NO TEXTUAL CHANGES

Thanks :)

> - Added  and  tags
> - Adjust the alignment of paragraphs so it wasnt so wierdly tabbed
> - made all html tags lower case.

Why did you do that \n\n thing? IMHO it should be done like
paragraphs -- with a start tag before the first word and the end tag after
the last word.

(Hey, the commit's all about formatting, I'm allowed to nitpick on it! :)

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Jeff Albro]

Thanks for putting up a prototype! I like the layout of the new page.  It
seems to me to be easier to scan.

Here are my comments:

About the "too many colors" issue.  If you make the top nav bar in a
similar style as the rest of the page it will all look fine, and avoid the
"clown pants" effect.

I believe one of the original goals of the redesign RFC was to "clean up"
the About Debian section.  It would appear that the new design breaks up
those menu items into "What is Debian" and "Help Debian".  I LOVE this as
it breaks up the menu items by the users "intentions" ala, LEARN about
Debian, or HELP Debian.  If it turns out that a decision is made against
the new graphical layout, this idea could be used with the current layout.

While I think the new page will be better for new users to scan, I find it
breaks some things I've come to rely on, like a quick link to the mailing
list archives and a quick link to package search.  I think the new page
will be less useful to long time debian web-site users.  I'm not sure how
I feel about this.  I suspect more long term users would want to use the
site map to move around.  If so, the site map should be improved.
Currently it's quite hard to scan (or vgrep as Josip says).

Move the developers corner link into the helping debian box.  It looks
lonely out there.

Some suggestions that would apply to either this page or the current one:

Add a search entry box next to the search button on the top nav bar.  You
have room for it unless you go below 640x480.  Users who are looking to
search look for an entry box.

Add the current DWN to the news area, and show less "other" news.  The
logs showed (IIRC) that the DWN was far more popular.

-Jeff

PS: I hope everyone is having happy holidays!

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:54:14PM +0100, Peter Karlsson wrote:
> I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this:
> 
> 1. It's messy; different sized (width, height) boxes, with different amount
>of text.

AFAICT the differences in size are rather small. I looked at it in links
80x25 and mozilla 800x600. Can you make a snapshot so I can see if the
picture we're seeing is too different?

> 2. It's bad coding; it is using  for layout, the headings (like "What
>is Debian") is not a  tag, which disables Opera's heading-navigation
>(W/S).

WRT  -- it's the same old argument... :)

I thought I couldn't make those things  and Helvetica at the same time,
so I didn't try. Are you saying it's possible?

> 3. There's too many different colours (white on blue on red, yellow on black
>on light-blue, black on white on light-blue, etc.)

Another old argument.

Though I can't say much about the red parts at the top -- I just left those
intact, and worked on index.wml.

> 4. There's no good reading order (should I go top-down or left-right)?

Left to right. How do you read all other web pages? If anything, _this_ can
be assumed...

> 5. It's multi-column. I size my browser to fit as much text on a line as I
>can read.

It's a matter of space. If I made it all into a normal page, the whole page
would have been long and there would be many paragraphs with one-line
sentences. This would undoubtedly annoy many vgreps[1] out there.

Pages that have >= 3 columns and too much contrast (a bad imitation of
newspapers) also annoy many vgreps out there[2] -- that's why I used just
two of them. Two doesn't seem to be excessive to me, even in links(1) which
narrows the page.

> But it's good that you throw some ideas around.

:)

[1] visual grep
[2] including mine, ugh

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Joey Hess]

Peter Karlsson wrote:
> I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this:

Peter sums up my thoughts nicely. Especially points 1, 3, and 5, and
most espcially point 3 (too many color combinations).

OTOH, I think the text and links (especially in the "using debian"
section) are a lot better than the current page.

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Peter Karlsson]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Josip Rodin wrote:

> http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/

I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this:

1. It's messy; different sized (width, height) boxes, with different amount
   of text.

2. It's bad coding; it is using  for layout, the headings (like "What
   is Debian") is not a  tag, which disables Opera's heading-navigation
   (W/S).

3. There's too many different colours (white on blue on red, yellow on black
   on light-blue, black on white on light-blue, etc.)

4. There's no good reading order (should I go top-down or left-right)?

5. It's multi-column. I size my browser to fit as much text on a line as I
   can read. I really, *really*, REALLY hate it when pages try to force
   their own column widths on me. I can take a navbar on either side with
   text that re-flows (like the old one), but I don't like this approach.


But it's good that you throw some ideas around.

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Bug#123771: "show me the code"

[Josip Rodin]

tag 123771 moreinfo
thanks

Hi,

Ryan Murray told me this on IRC:

 no, it isn't, as perl parses the existing files just fine
 which is what the bug even hints at

Someone should show us the code that does that... expecting us to write it
from scratch is somewhat utopian...

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Bug#126027: marked as done (www.debian.org: 404 on archive.debian.org/debian-archive/)

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The following lines in my sources.list have been 404ing for about a week or
so now:

deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ slink main contrib non-free
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ hamm main contrib non-free

so I checked out the website and it seems that whilst archive.debian.org
still references the old stable releases at a.d.o/d-a/ that url is 404
compliant.

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Hi,

The archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ URL is working now.

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-30 22:13]:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:05:08PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>> > http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/
>> 
>>  I like it.  I have just one sugguestion:  Don't make it three rows in
>> two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with
>> three rows.  I think it would make it align better although it can end
>> up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums.
> 
> Actually, won't that sort it improperly in Lynx?

 Uhm, I guess you are right with that.  But personally I think lynx is
obsoleted by links/w3m

 So long,
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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:05:08PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/
> 
>  I like it.  I have just one sugguestion:  Don't make it three rows in
> two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with
> three rows.  I think it would make it align better although it can end
> up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums.

Actually, won't that sort it improperly in Lynx?

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Re: seeking cooperation

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-30 15:07]:
> 4/ knowledge property protection:
>   Inquiry on trademark and patent registered in China; imitated famous
> trademark investigation

 ... alright, they don't seem to have read our pages :))

 SCNR,
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Re: new front page, take 1

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-30 15:32]:
> http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/

 I like it.  I have just one sugguestion:  Don't make it three rows in
two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with
three rows.  I think it would make it align better although it can end
up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums.

 Just a thought
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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by toff: webwml/english/devel index.wml

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Chris Tillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-27 18:21]:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:47:52AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
>> The margins are less important than keeping the diff small.
>> 
>  ... (for translators)
> 
> Thanks for explaining, that makes sense. So when rewriting a
> paragraph completely, re-wrapping the paragraph wouldn't matter, but
> when changing one word or slightly correcting grammar, better to let
> lines hang out a little. 

 ... or make a short line, which I prefer: Lines longer 80 characters
are harder to follow and slow things down when (human)parsing.

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Re: Error

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:23:16PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > Hello! You have an invalid codepage on URL
> >   http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages
> 
>  Your browser seem to be misconfigured.  Please read
>  for how to fix that.

Actually, the www.ru.d.o server isn't so well set up either.

wget --header="Accept-Language: ru" http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages

gives zh-HK.

And one other quite peculiar thing -- it seems to be mangling the served
HTML! Instead of the meta charset tag, it does this:



Max, what's going on?

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by danish: webwml/english/events material.wml

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* James A. Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-27 10:13]:
> Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>   Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   Kaare Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "debian-www@lists.debian.org" 

... was that on intention?  :)

> How about:
>   Flyers can answer many questions about Debian, can entice people to
>   contribute, and can be used to take notes!

 I'd buy it if it would be my call

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by danish: webwml/english/events material.wml

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-26 12:46]:
> Ummm.. I do not understand these changes (for the record, this might be
> not just yours, I'm diffing aginst 1.4)

 Yes, some of them are mine which I also did send you in private mail
about a week or so before I commited them

> +regarding to Debian, can entice people to contribute and for it's
> +paper they can take notes on it! All in all, they are pretty useful.
> <<<
> 
> What does "for it's paper they can take notes on it!" ? I meant that flyers
> are paper that can be used to take notes (phone numbers, ideas, names...) and
> since people usually do not have some handy in expos, developers can use it
> to give their e-mails and have people take flyers too :)

 That means exactly this.  "For the flyer is made of paper they can take
notes on it".  Expand as you find neccessary.

> BTW. Comments are unnecesary, and, if included, should use wml comment style 
> (# not
> ), otherwise they will
> a) be visible outside
> b) add bytes to the wandwith waste.

 Yep - sorry.  I haven't thought that they would stay in there for that
long nevertheless.

>   That's all. Will you fix that or should I do it?

 Would be glad if you do it for this time, I might step in again later ;)

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Tor Slettnes]

> "Chris" == Chris Tillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Chris> One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS
Chris> world is an 'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a
Chris> required, non-wrappable space. Does Linux have such a
Chris> character?

The correct question is, does a particular character set (such as
ISO-8859-1) have such a character?  Yes, it does - the HEX value is
0xA0.  In fact, your Mac HTML editor probably translates the Macintosh
character set to ISO-8859-1, so that it would translate your Option
Space keystroke into that character.  In fact, web browsers even on
the Mac use ISO-8859-1 by default when displaying western language
pages.

However, the correct way to represent a non-breaking space in HTML is
" " (without the double quotes).  No matter what the encoding of
the overall page is (i.e. ISO-8859-1, Macintosh, Chinese Big-5, or
even plain old ASCII) this will always generate a non-break space
character, and not some weird symbol.

Double-check the generated HTML after you use your Option Space
trick.  Hopefully, it will say " ", and not a binary
representation in your particular character set.

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Re: Error

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* ?? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-25 20:40]:
> Hello! You have an invalid codepage on URL
>   http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages

 Your browser seem to be misconfigured.  Please read
 for how to fix that.

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:47:07AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > > I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw
> > > attention; but it looks a little awkward. 
> > 
> > It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get
> > it.
> 
> One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS world is an
> 'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a required, non-wrappable
> space. Does Linux have such a character?

ITYM  . I should probably have used that from the start, but once upon
a time I got flamed by the Chinese translators when I automatized it...
looks like it might work now, this is different.

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Chris Tillman]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:22:32PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:00:53AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw
> > attention; but it looks a little awkward. 
> 
> It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get
> it.

One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS world is an
'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a required, non-wrappable
space. Does Linux have such a character?

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:15:11PM -0200, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > Oh and, obviously, the "quick browse" thing at the top is missing, so the
> > page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with
> > something better.
> it's there by now, it seems... I completly agree with replacing the red
> navbar but with what? I don't think drop-down menus will make people
> happy...
> 
> I like the page, it is just like /devel now... but I missed
> the left menu, I hope it will be there, right?

That's the thing I'm talking about in what you quoted above :)

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:00:53AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/
> > 
> > /me prepares for the barrage
> 
> Well, it passes the most important test, which is of course the
> girlfriend test. I asked my nonDebianized girlfriend which front page
> she liked better, without telling her which one was the current
> one. She chose the new one, she likes the black headers on the
> sections.

LOL! Cool :)

> I think it would be nice if the headers were clickable.
> 
> I like the layout too, although I wondered if the light blue
> background would look better with square corners. Something about the 
> 
> (  )
> (  )
> 
> effect at the top of the page bugs me; when the blue bar was just on
> one side it doesn't bug me.

Yeah, it looks somewhat... fatty, I guess? :)

> I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw
> attention; but it looks a little awkward. 

It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get
it.

> I like the linked hypertext for newbies, as long as there's a popup
> somewhere for old hands' quick navigation.

Yes, like I said, that part is missing.

> It looks OK in Lynx, too, but the old one looks nicer. The hr's in the
> old version really help in Lynx. Maybe you could sneak some hr's with
> the same color as the background in?

Hrm, that would probably look bad in links then... I hadn't checked it with
lynx.

> definitly -> definitely

Thanks.

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:03:41 +0100
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Oh and, obviously, the "quick browse" thing at the top is missing, so the
> page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with
> something better.
it's there by now, it seems... I completly agree with replacing the red
navbar but with what? I don't think drop-down menus will make people
happy...

I like the page, it is just like /devel now... but I missed
the left menu, I hope it will be there, right?

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Chris Tillman]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/
> 
> /me prepares for the barrage

Well, it passes the most important test, which is of course the
girlfriend test. I asked my nonDebianized girlfriend which front page
she liked better, without telling her which one was the current
one. She chose the new one, she likes the black headers on the
sections. I think it would be nice if the headers were clickable.

I like the layout too, although I wondered if the light blue
background would look better with square corners. Something about the 

(  )
(  )

effect at the top of the page bugs me; when the blue bar was just on
one side it doesn't bug me.

I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw
attention; but it looks a little awkward. 

I like the linked hypertext for newbies, as long as there's a popup
somewhere for old hands' quick navigation.

It looks OK in Lynx, too, but the old one looks nicer. The hr's in the
old version really help in Lynx. Maybe you could sneak some hr's with
the same color as the background in?

definitly -> definitely

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Re: new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/
> 
> /me prepares for the barrage

Oh and, obviously, the "quick browse" thing at the top is missing, so the
page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with
something better.

Hopefully people will realize that that thing above isn't completely
according to the RFC, of course, it's just my first sketch.

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 02:54:33PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote:
> after your commit, you make a announcement on debian-announce? 

No.

BTW shouldn't the RDF file have a section like this:

  

http://www.debian.org/security/2001/dsa-093"; />
http://www.debian.org/security/2001/dsa-094"; />

  

And BTW your patch generates wrong links. :)

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:27:32PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > We have a preliminary solution in the works, why wouldn't it be viable?
> 
> I think the average delay between the release of a DSA and it appearing
> on the webpages is a good indication.

There wouldn't be any delay if you (the security team) didn't neglect this
stuff and expect us (the web team) to solve it. All attempts to automate it
have so far come from myself :/

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new front page, take 1

[Josip Rodin]

Hi guys,

http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/

/me prepares for the barrage

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> We have a preliminary solution in the works, why wouldn't it be viable?

I think the average delay between the release of a DSA and it appearing
on the webpages is a good indication.

Wichert.

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:10:42PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> I"ll see if I can redo it and get the sidebar and rdf on
> security.debian.org itself, doing it through www.debian.org does not
> seem to be a viable option.

We have a preliminary solution in the works, why wouldn't it be viable?

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Matt Hope wrote:
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd find this handy - I wouldn't mind
> being able to syndicate this info - and I guess debianplanet.org would
> also like it.

I"ll see if I can redo it and get the sidebar and rdf on
security.debian.org itself, doing it through www.debian.org does not
seem to be a viable option.

Wichert.

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Michael Bramer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:47:09AM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > > I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also...
> > > > 
> > > > No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also
> > > > write some diff. 
> > > 
> > > Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to
> > > commit!
> > > 
> > > /me hates duplication of work
> > > 
> > > > If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/
> > > > dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, 
> > > > ...)
> > > 
> > > What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, 
> > > /events/events.rdf...?
> > 
> > I found one point: it don't work...
> > ! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf
> > ! --09:42:04--  http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf
> > !=> `dsa.rdf'
> > ! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected!
> > ! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> > ! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> > 
> > Or miss I something?
> 
> Oh, I didn't commit it yet. You're too fast :)

after your commit, you make a announcement on debian-announce? 

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Matt Hope]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...

: I actually did implement that at some point along with a mozilla
: sidebar for DSAs, but there seemed to be no interest in putting
: that on our webpages :(

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd find this handy - I wouldn't mind
being able to syndicate this info - and I guess debianplanet.org would
also like it.

\dopey

Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Martin Schulze wrote:
> Please poll www.debian.org/security/ and/or cvs.debian.org/...
> by a script on your own, I guess that's more feasable.

I actually did implement that at some point along with a mozilla
sidebar for DSAs, but there seemed to be no interest in putting
that on our webpages :(

Wichert.

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Josip Rodin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:47:09AM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also...
> > > 
> > > No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also
> > > write some diff. 
> > 
> > Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to
> > commit!
> > 
> > /me hates duplication of work
> > 
> > > If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/
> > > dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...)
> > 
> > What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...?
> 
> I found one point: it don't work...
> ! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf
> ! --09:42:04--  http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf
> !=> `dsa.rdf'
> ! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected!
> ! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> ! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
> Or miss I something?

Oh, I didn't commit it yet. You're too fast :)

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Michael Bramer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:37:38AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:35:49PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also...
> > 
> > No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also
> > write some diff. 
> 
> Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to
> commit!
> 
> /me hates duplication of work
> 
> > If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/
> > dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...)
> 
> What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...?

I found one point: it don't work...
! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf
! --09:42:04--  http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf
!=> `dsa.rdf'
! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected!
! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found.

Or miss I something?

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Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?

[Michael Bramer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:37:38AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:35:49PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also...
> > 
> > No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also
> > write some diff. 
> 
> Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to
> commit!
> 
> /me hates duplication of work

ok. 

But maybe you make a better work...

> > If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/
> > dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...)
> 
> What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...?

nothing. 

Please make a 'rdf.html' page with a list of all rdf files and some
package names with rdf support in debian. 

Thanks

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