Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:37:38AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:35:49PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also... No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also write some diff. Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to commit! /me hates duplication of work ok. But maybe you make a better work... If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/ dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...) What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...? nothing. Please make a 'rdf.html' page with a list of all rdf files and some package names with rdf support in debian. Thanks Gruss Grisu -- Michael Bramer - a Debian Linux Developer http://www.debsupport.de PGP: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux Sysadmin -- Use Debian Linux The official mascot of this operating system is the Linux Penguin. Know why he's smiling? He's a Linux user! on www.msnbc.com/news/191174.asp pgp9lEWzcGjgO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:37:38AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:35:49PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also... No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also write some diff. Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to commit! /me hates duplication of work If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/ dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...) What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...? I found one point: it don't work... ! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf ! --09:42:04-- http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf != `dsa.rdf' ! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected! ! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found ! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found. Or miss I something? Gruss Grisu -- Michael Bramer - a Debian Linux Developer http://www.debsupport.de PGP: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux Sysadmin -- Use Debian Linux Es setzt sich das System durch, für das es Pornos gibt. (Lutz Donnerhacke in de.org.ccc) pgpIbCXJYqmDU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:47:09AM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also... No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also write some diff. Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to commit! /me hates duplication of work If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/ dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...) What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...? I found one point: it don't work... ! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf ! --09:42:04-- http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf != `dsa.rdf' ! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected! ! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found ! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found. Or miss I something? Oh, I didn't commit it yet. You're too fast :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: Please poll www.debian.org/security/ and/or cvs.debian.org/... by a script on your own, I guess that's more feasable. I actually did implement that at some point along with a mozilla sidebar for DSAs, but there seemed to be no interest in putting that on our webpages :( Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : I actually did implement that at some point along with a mozilla : sidebar for DSAs, but there seemed to be no interest in putting : that on our webpages :( I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd find this handy - I wouldn't mind being able to syndicate this info - and I guess debianplanet.org would also like it. \dopey
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 02:32:39PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:47:09AM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: I send this to debian-www@lists.debian.org also... No joey, IMHO a debian rdf file is better. And I don't also talk, I also write some diff. Shit, I just did the same thing a few hours ago, and was preparing to commit! /me hates duplication of work If someone will add this, he should maybe add a new www.debian.org/rdf/ dir and put other rdf's in this dir (like debian news, events, votes, ...) What's wrong with /security/dsa.rdf, /News/news.rdf, /events/events.rdf...? I found one point: it don't work... ! $ wget www.debian.org//security/dsa.rdf ! --09:42:04-- http://www.debian.org:80/security/dsa.rdf != `dsa.rdf' ! Connecting to localhost:8080... connected! ! Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found ! 09:42:04 ERROR 404: Not Found. Or miss I something? Oh, I didn't commit it yet. You're too fast :) after your commit, you make a announcement on debian-announce? Gruss Grisu -- Michael Bramer - a Debian Linux Developer http://www.debsupport.de PGP: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux Sysadmin -- Use Debian Linux Munition ist wie Bandbreite - Man kann nie genug haben aus dasr pgpuQmWBnsBii.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
Previously Josip Rodin wrote: We have a preliminary solution in the works, why wouldn't it be viable? I think the average delay between the release of a DSA and it appearing on the webpages is a good indication. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
new front page, take 1
Hi guys, http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ /me prepares for the barrage -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:27:32PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: We have a preliminary solution in the works, why wouldn't it be viable? I think the average delay between the release of a DSA and it appearing on the webpages is a good indication. There wouldn't be any delay if you (the security team) didn't neglect this stuff and expect us (the web team) to solve it. All attempts to automate it have so far come from myself :/ -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Can I get DSA announce in a rdf-like form?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 02:54:33PM +0100, Michael Bramer wrote: after your commit, you make a announcement on debian-announce? No. BTW shouldn't the RDF file have a section like this: items rdf:Seq rdf:li resource=http://www.debian.org/security/2001/dsa-093; / rdf:li resource=http://www.debian.org/security/2001/dsa-094; / /rdf:Seq /items And BTW your patch generates wrong links. :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Hi guys, http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ /me prepares for the barrage Oh and, obviously, the quick browse thing at the top is missing, so the page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with something better. Hopefully people will realize that that thing above isn't completely according to the RFC, of course, it's just my first sketch. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Hi guys, http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ /me prepares for the barrage Well, it passes the most important test, which is of course the girlfriend test. I asked my nonDebianized girlfriend which front page she liked better, without telling her which one was the current one. She chose the new one, she likes the black headers on the sections. I think it would be nice if the headers were clickable. I like the layout too, although I wondered if the light blue background would look better with square corners. Something about the ( ) ( ) effect at the top of the page bugs me; when the blue bar was just on one side it doesn't bug me. I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw attention; but it looks a little awkward. I like the linked hypertext for newbies, as long as there's a popup somewhere for old hands' quick navigation. It looks OK in Lynx, too, but the old one looks nicer. The hr's in the old version really help in Lynx. Maybe you could sneak some hr's with the same color as the background in? definitly - definitely -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | **
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:03:41 +0100 Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:32:10PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Oh and, obviously, the quick browse thing at the top is missing, so the page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with something better. it's there by now, it seems... I completly agree with replacing the red navbar but with what? I don't think drop-down menus will make people happy... I like the page, it is just like /devel now... but I missed the left menu, I hope it will be there, right? []s! -- Gustavo Noronha Silva - kov http://www.metainfo.org/kov *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+ | .''`. | Debian GNU/Linux: http://www.debian.org | | : :' : + Debian BR...: http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br+ | `. `'` + Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? + | `-| A: Upstream's decision. -- hmh | *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:00:53AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ /me prepares for the barrage Well, it passes the most important test, which is of course the girlfriend test. I asked my nonDebianized girlfriend which front page she liked better, without telling her which one was the current one. She chose the new one, she likes the black headers on the sections. LOL! Cool :) I think it would be nice if the headers were clickable. I like the layout too, although I wondered if the light blue background would look better with square corners. Something about the ( ) ( ) effect at the top of the page bugs me; when the blue bar was just on one side it doesn't bug me. Yeah, it looks somewhat... fatty, I guess? :) I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw attention; but it looks a little awkward. It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get it. I like the linked hypertext for newbies, as long as there's a popup somewhere for old hands' quick navigation. Yes, like I said, that part is missing. It looks OK in Lynx, too, but the old one looks nicer. The hr's in the old version really help in Lynx. Maybe you could sneak some hr's with the same color as the background in? Hrm, that would probably look bad in links then... I hadn't checked it with lynx. definitly - definitely Thanks. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:15:11PM -0200, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Oh and, obviously, the quick browse thing at the top is missing, so the page is too newbie-oriented. Maybe we should replace the red navbar with something better. it's there by now, it seems... I completly agree with replacing the red navbar but with what? I don't think drop-down menus will make people happy... I like the page, it is just like /devel now... but I missed the left menu, I hope it will be there, right? That's the thing I'm talking about in what you quoted above :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:22:32PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:00:53AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw attention; but it looks a little awkward. It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get it. One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS world is an 'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a required, non-wrappable space. Does Linux have such a character? -- *--v- Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 v--* | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual | | debian-imac (potato): http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net | |Chris Tillman[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | May the Source be with you | **
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:47:07AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: I suppose the Help Debian header is made into two lines to draw attention; but it looks a little awkward. It's a bug/feature in some browsers. It's not supposed to wrap. I don't get it. One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS world is an 'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a required, non-wrappable space. Does Linux have such a character? ITYM nbsp;. I should probably have used that from the start, but once upon a time I got flamed by the Chinese translators when I automatized it... looks like it might work now, this is different. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Error
* ?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-25 20:40]: Hello! You have an invalid codepage on URL http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages Your browser seem to be misconfigured. Please read http://www.ru.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html for how to fix that. So long, Alfie -- Give them ooO ooO, a try, o ) http://www.gnome.org/ o /__ http://galeon.sf.net/ they are ( (_,. GNU Network Object ( (_) ) Lightweight gecko based worth it!\__/Model Environment \___/ webbrowser
Re: new front page, take 1
Chris == Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris One trick I've used with printing documents in the MacOS Chris world is an 'Option-Space' which is interpreted as a Chris required, non-wrappable space. Does Linux have such a Chris character? The correct question is, does a particular character set (such as ISO-8859-1) have such a character? Yes, it does - the HEX value is 0xA0. In fact, your Mac HTML editor probably translates the Macintosh character set to ISO-8859-1, so that it would translate your Option Space keystroke into that character. In fact, web browsers even on the Mac use ISO-8859-1 by default when displaying western language pages. However, the correct way to represent a non-breaking space in HTML is nbsp; (without the double quotes). No matter what the encoding of the overall page is (i.e. ISO-8859-1, Macintosh, Chinese Big-5, or even plain old ASCII) this will always generate a non-break space character, and not some weird symbol. Double-check the generated HTML after you use your Option Space trick. Hopefully, it will say nbsp;, and not a binary representation in your particular character set. -tor -- Får i ulveklær
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by danish: webwml/english/events material.wml
* James A. Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-27 10:13]: Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kaare Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-www@lists.debian.org debian-www@lists.debian.org ... was that on intention? :) How about: Flyers can answer many questions about Debian, can entice people to contribute, and can be used to take notes! I'd buy it if it would be my call So long, Alfie -- dracus Ctrl+Option+Command + P + R Knghtbrd dracus - YE GODS! That's worse than EMACS! LauraDax hehehehe dracus don't ask what that does :P
Re: Error
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 09:23:16PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Hello! You have an invalid codepage on URL http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages Your browser seem to be misconfigured. Please read http://www.ru.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html for how to fix that. Actually, the www.ru.d.o server isn't so well set up either. wget --header=Accept-Language: ru http://www.ru.debian.org/distrib/packages gives zh-HK. And one other quite peculiar thing -- it seems to be mangling the served HTML! Instead of the meta charset tag, it does this: !-- Meta http equivalent was here -- Max, what's going on? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by toff: webwml/english/devel index.wml
* Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-27 18:21]: On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:47:52AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: The margins are less important than keeping the diff small. ... (for translators) Thanks for explaining, that makes sense. So when rewriting a paragraph completely, re-wrapping the paragraph wouldn't matter, but when changing one word or slightly correcting grammar, better to let lines hang out a little. ... or make a short line, which I prefer: Lines longer 80 characters are harder to follow and slow things down when (human)parsing. So long, Alfie -- You can't make a foolproof thing - there is always a better fool who will proof *you* are the fool while trying it. -- me, 2001-04-05
Re: new front page, take 1
* Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-30 15:32]: http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ I like it. I have just one sugguestion: Don't make it three rows in two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with three rows. I think it would make it align better although it can end up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums. Just a thought Alfie -- Das einzige intuitive Interface ist der Mutternippel. Alles andere ist gelernt -- sinngemaesse Wiedergabe aus comp.irgendwas.interfaces
Re: seeking cooperation
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-30 15:07]: 4/ knowledge property protection: Inquiry on trademark and patent registered in China; imitated famous trademark investigation ... alright, they don't seem to have read our pages :)) SCNR, Alfie -- DeVries Wann kommt Debian3.0? Jemand n ungefähres oder genaues Datum parat? @Alfie DeVries: Wenn es fertig ist. @Falky dwVries wenn es fertig ist @weasel DeVries: ziemlich genau dann, wenn es fertig ist.-- #debian.de
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:05:08PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ I like it. I have just one sugguestion: Don't make it three rows in two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with three rows. I think it would make it align better although it can end up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums. Actually, won't that sort it improperly in Lynx? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
* Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-30 22:13]: On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:05:08PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ I like it. I have just one sugguestion: Don't make it three rows in two colums, simply make it 2 colums and put in both of them a table with three rows. I think it would make it align better although it can end up with quite some space at the bottom of one of the colums. Actually, won't that sort it improperly in Lynx? Uhm, I guess you are right with that. But personally I think lynx is obsoleted by links/w3m So long, Alfie [was just a thought :] -- There are people who see things as they are and they wonder why, and there are people who dream things as they have never been and they wonder why not. G. Shaw
Bug#126027: marked as done (www.debian.org: 404 on archive.debian.org/debian-archive/)
Your message dated Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:22:20 +0100 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line archive.d.o was fixed has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 20 Dec 2001 23:03:16 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Dec 20 17:03:16 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from new-smtp2.ihug.com.au [203.109.250.28] (root) by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 16HCDb-00048n-00; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:03:15 -0600 Received: from willow.spacepants.org (p495-tnt1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.129.241]) by new-smtp2.ihug.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA12784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:03:06 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p495-tnt1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.129.241] claimed to be willow.spacepants.org Received: from jaq by willow.spacepants.org with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16HCDZ-62-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:03:13 +1100 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:03:11 +1100 From: Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: www.debian.org: 404 on archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Reportbug-Version: 1.36 X-Message-Flag: Magic 8-Ball says Outlook Not Good. X-Mailer: beefmail v0.0 Reply-By: Mon Dec 24 10:00:49 EST 2001 X-No-CC: What Branden said. Sender: Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: www.debian.org Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-21 Severity: normal The following lines in my sources.list have been 404ing for about a week or so now: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ slink main contrib non-free deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ hamm main contrib non-free so I checked out the website and it seems that whilst archive.debian.org still references the old stable releases at a.d.o/d-a/ that url is 404 compliant. -- System Information Debian Release: 3.0 Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux willow 2.4.15-pre5-xfs #1 Thu Nov 29 12:42:56 EST 2001 i686 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Telepath needed. You know where to apply. --- Received: (at 126027-done) by bugs.debian.org; 30 Dec 2001 21:17:49 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 30 15:17:49 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from cibalia.gkvk.hr [161.53.211.3] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 16KnL3-0007is-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:17:49 -0600 Received: from joy by cibalia.gkvk.hr with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16KnPQ-0007AX-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:22:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:22:20 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: archive.d.o was fixed Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, The archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ URL is working now. Thanks for reporting. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Bug#123771: show me the code
tag 123771 moreinfo thanks Hi, Ryan Murray told me this on IRC: neuro no, it isn't, as perl parses the existing files just fine neuro which is what the bug even hints at Someone should show us the code that does that... expecting us to write it from scratch is somewhat utopian... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Josip Rodin wrote: http://joy.gkvk.hr/newfront/ I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this: 1. It's messy; different sized (width, height) boxes, with different amount of text. 2. It's bad coding; it is using table for layout, the headings (like What is Debian) is not a h tag, which disables Opera's heading-navigation (W/S). 3. There's too many different colours (white on blue on red, yellow on black on light-blue, black on white on light-blue, etc.) 4. There's no good reading order (should I go top-down or left-right)? 5. It's multi-column. I size my browser to fit as much text on a line as I can read. I really, *really*, REALLY hate it when pages try to force their own column widths on me. I can take a navbar on either side with text that re-flows (like the old one), but I don't like this approach. But it's good that you throw some ideas around. -- \\// peter - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new front page, take 1
Peter Karlsson wrote: I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this: Peter sums up my thoughts nicely. Especially points 1, 3, and 5, and most espcially point 3 (too many color combinations). OTOH, I think the text and links (especially in the using debian section) are a lot better than the current page. -- see shy jo
Re: new front page, take 1
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 10:54:14PM +0100, Peter Karlsson wrote: I never really liked the /devel layout, so I can't say I dig this: 1. It's messy; different sized (width, height) boxes, with different amount of text. AFAICT the differences in size are rather small. I looked at it in links 80x25 and mozilla 800x600. Can you make a snapshot so I can see if the picture we're seeing is too different? 2. It's bad coding; it is using table for layout, the headings (like What is Debian) is not a h tag, which disables Opera's heading-navigation (W/S). WRT table -- it's the same old argument... :) I thought I couldn't make those things h and Helvetica at the same time, so I didn't try. Are you saying it's possible? 3. There's too many different colours (white on blue on red, yellow on black on light-blue, black on white on light-blue, etc.) Another old argument. Though I can't say much about the red parts at the top -- I just left those intact, and worked on index.wml. 4. There's no good reading order (should I go top-down or left-right)? Left to right. How do you read all other web pages? If anything, _this_ can be assumed... 5. It's multi-column. I size my browser to fit as much text on a line as I can read. It's a matter of space. If I made it all into a normal page, the whole page would have been long and there would be many paragraphs with one-line sentences. This would undoubtedly annoy many vgreps[1] out there. Pages that have = 3 columns and too much contrast (a bad imitation of newspapers) also annoy many vgreps out there[2] -- that's why I used just two of them. Two doesn't seem to be excessive to me, even in links(1) which narrows the page. But it's good that you throw some ideas around. :) [1] visual grep [2] including mine, ugh -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
Thanks for putting up a prototype! I like the layout of the new page. It seems to me to be easier to scan. Here are my comments: About the too many colors issue. If you make the top nav bar in a similar style as the rest of the page it will all look fine, and avoid the clown pants effect. I believe one of the original goals of the redesign RFC was to clean up the About Debian section. It would appear that the new design breaks up those menu items into What is Debian and Help Debian. I LOVE this as it breaks up the menu items by the users intentions ala, LEARN about Debian, or HELP Debian. If it turns out that a decision is made against the new graphical layout, this idea could be used with the current layout. While I think the new page will be better for new users to scan, I find it breaks some things I've come to rely on, like a quick link to the mailing list archives and a quick link to package search. I think the new page will be less useful to long time debian web-site users. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I suspect more long term users would want to use the site map to move around. If so, the site map should be improved. Currently it's quite hard to scan (or vgrep as Josip says). Move the developers corner link into the helping debian box. It looks lonely out there. Some suggestions that would apply to either this page or the current one: Add a search entry box next to the search button on the top nav bar. You have room for it unless you go below 640x480. Users who are looking to search look for an entry box. Add the current DWN to the news area, and show less other news. The logs showed (IIRC) that the DWN was far more popular. -Jeff PS: I hope everyone is having happy holidays! --- Jeff Albro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Customer Interaction Consultant Boston, MA
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by csmall: webwml/english/distrib vendors.wml
On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 02:38:55PM -0800, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: csmall 01/12/20 14:38:55 Modified files: english/distrib: vendors.wml Log message: NOTICE TO TRANSLATORS!! THERE HAVE BEEN NO TEXTUAL CHANGES Thanks :) - Added /p and /li tags - Adjust the alignment of paragraphs so it wasnt so wierdly tabbed - made all html tags lower case. Why did you do that \n/lili\n thing? IMHO it should be done like paragraphs -- with a start tag before the first word and the end tag after the last word. (Hey, the commit's all about formatting, I'm allowed to nitpick on it! :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Bug#127126: www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line
Package: www.debian.org Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-30 Severity: minor at: http://www.debian.org/doc/#faqs we find the text: -x- The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ. Please see the LDP FAQ index for more information. -x- The Debian FAQ link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a paragraph, and the section has two other links toward the beginning of the two paragraphs, suggesting a bullet style. I suggest either converting the paragraphs to bullets, or moving the sentence about the Debian FAQ to a separate paragraph. -- System Information Debian Release: 3.0 Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux mizar 2.4.17 #1 Sun Dec 30 16:04:41 EST 2001 i686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE= -- - mdz
Bug#127126: marked as done (www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line)
Your message dated Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:30:56 +0100 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#127126: www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 31 Dec 2001 00:26:55 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 30 18:26:55 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 16KqI3-0008Co-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:26:55 -0600 Received: from 146-115-121-200.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.121.200] helo=mizar.alcor.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16KqI3-0002FU-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:26:55 -0500 Received: from mdz by mizar.alcor.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16KqI3-0001A4-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:26:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:26:55 -0500 From: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Reportbug-Version: 1.41.1421 Sender: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: www.debian.org Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-30 Severity: minor at: http://www.debian.org/doc/#faqs we find the text: -x- The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ. Please see the LDP FAQ index for more information. -x- The Debian FAQ link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a paragraph, and the section has two other links toward the beginning of the two paragraphs, suggesting a bullet style. I suggest either converting the paragraphs to bullets, or moving the sentence about the Debian FAQ to a separate paragraph. -- System Information Debian Release: 3.0 Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux mizar 2.4.17 #1 Sun Dec 30 16:04:41 EST 2001 i686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE= -- - mdz --- Received: (at 127126-done) by bugs.debian.org; 31 Dec 2001 01:26:27 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 30 19:26:27 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from cibalia.gkvk.hr [161.53.211.3] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 16KrDf-000479-00; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:26:27 -0600 Received: from joy by cibalia.gkvk.hr with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16KrI0-0007re-00; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:30:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:30:56 +0100 To: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#127126: www.debian.org: Move Debian FAQ to its own line Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0500 From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: -x- The Linux FAQ contains information regarding Linux in general. Questions specifically related to Debian are answered in the Debian FAQ. -x- The Debian FAQ link is easy to miss, as it is toward the end of a paragraph, and the section has two other links toward the beginning of the two paragraphs, suggesting a bullet style. I suggest either converting the paragraphs to bullets, or moving the sentence about the Debian FAQ to a separate paragraph. Okay, the latter is done. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by joy: webwml/english/template/debian recent_list.wml
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 05:23:39PM -0800, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: joy 01/12/30 17:23:39 Modified files: english/template/debian: recent_list.wml Log message: protect from the second wml pass so it doesn't strip off the ending slashes, this is XML An alternate solution is to compile dsa.rdf.in with -W2,--expansion=2 flag ;o) Denis
Re: strange link on www.debian.org/devel
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 05:54:07PM +0100, Samu wrote: today, when i clicked to New Maintainers' Guide link from www.debian.org/devel i reached the french translation of that guide ( instead of the usual eng page ) . it's a bug/misconfiguration? Should be fixed now. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by barbier: webwml/. check_trans.pl stattrans.pl touch_tra ...
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:38:25PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: Unfortunately, touch_translations.pl did break latest build :( It is strange, I checked it worked as expected on w.d.o, will have a look on it now. BTW, I believe that this script should not be run after WML compilation, but from /org/www.debian.org/cron/daily_updates before 4webwml. The reason is that current scheme does not work when original document is not English. Moreover, touch_translations.pl and check_trans.pl do basically perform the exact same task, i.e. comparing revision numbers between original and translation. So unless someone objects, I will certainly add an option -T to check_trans.pl to behave like touch_translations.pl. What happened to this? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: out of date web page
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 04:40:58PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd to URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install, which pointed to URL:http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html, which is apparently obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC. This web page should apparently just link to URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html. So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: out of date web page
Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd to URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install, which pointed to URL:http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html, which is apparently obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC. This web page should apparently just link to URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html. So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed? Yes. The other guide is not only out of dated but the installation method described therein is no longer supported. Marcus and I have agreed that we need to not only update that link but also a few others pages; we should get to this Monday or Tuesday.
Re: out of date web page
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 03:11:37AM +0100, Neal H Walfield wrote: Hi, when I wanted to install the Hurd, I followed the link from URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd to URL:http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install, which pointed to URL:http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html, which is apparently obsolete according to XiDEX on openprojects.net #hurd IRC. This web page should apparently just link to URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html. So, do we have a consensus? :) Should the link be changed? Yes. The other guide is not only out of dated but the installation method described therein is no longer supported. Marcus and I have agreed that we need to not only update that link OK. I'll do a mass change (in all languages). but also a few others pages; we should get to this Monday or Tuesday. Please feel free :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: new front page, take 1
Jeff Albro wrote: About the too many colors issue. If you make the top nav bar in a similar style as the rest of the page it will all look fine, and avoid the clown pants effect. It would help, but we have to keep the debian logo up there, and that at least means there's still be red on something (logo), yellow on black, and black on white, on the cyan background. That's still rather a lot of colors. Move the developers corner link into the helping debian box. It looks lonely out there. Yes. Some suggestions that would apply to either this page or the current one: Add a search entry box next to the search button on the top nav bar. You have room for it unless you go below 640x480. Users who are looking to search look for an entry box. Another possibility would be to concentrate the form-y stuff in the upper-right corner where there is already one short form. Add the current DWN to the news area, and show less other news. The logs showed (IIRC) that the DWN was far more popular. That would be hard, DWN is really not desinged to fit into a little box. Unless you mean the (fairly uninteresting) one line summaries of each issue. -- see shy jo
