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Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 01:10:29 +0100 > On Jan 06, Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> This is not needed, only spammers put raw latin-1 characters in mail > >> headers. > >The key point is that when we receive a mail with raw 8bit characters, > The key point is that we should not even accept mail with raw 8bit > characters in the headers. Though I agree with you, it is an ideal solution. As Stephen said, there are people who use raw 8bit characters (intended to be KOI8-R). If you could force them to use "right" MUAs, I would fully agree with you. Anyway, in the current set-up of lists.debian.org, encodings such as GB2312 and BIG5 (used in debian-chinese-gb and debian-chinese-big5, respectively) are not supported and processed just like raw 8bit characters. We also have to deal with them. I am now interested in MHonArc::UTF8.pm . I had been thinking that it converts all UTF-8 characters (besides ASCII) into &#; expression and doesn't support east Asians, which was wrong. It seems to convert *from* all non-UTF8 encodings *to* UTF-8 and seems to support east Asians also (because Unicode::MapUTF8 supports east Asian encodings). --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
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Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Jan 06, Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is not needed, only spammers put raw latin-1 characters in mail >> headers. >The key point is that when we receive a mail with raw 8bit characters, The key point is that we should not even accept mail with raw 8bit characters in the headers. -- ciao, Marco
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:49 +0100 > Future only. Is there a pressing need to regenerate the old mails? > I would rather avoid it... I have an idea about an easy modification to old list pages. Add the following line to all http://lists.debian.org/*/*/threads.html , http://lists.debian.org/*/*/maillist.html , http://lists.debian.org/*/*/subject.html , and http://lists.debian.org/*/*/author.html besides following exceptions: for debian-chinese-gb, for debian-chinese-big5, for debian-russian, I expect that this can be done by much less machine time than to regenerate all above pages by using MHonArc, because this doesn't need to access any individual mails. I am also now reading MHonArc documents so that these above headers can be added to future pages also (or, if everything can be migrated into UTF-8, it will be much better). --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
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RE: FOLLOWING UP ON SPEECH OUTPUT CRASH
Am I correct that there's nothing for me to fix on my end? Thanks! Al -Original Message- From: Jan V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:10 PM To: STEN-CLANTON, ALBERT E; debian-www@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FOLLOWING UP ON SPEECH OUTPUT CRASH - Original Message - From: "STEN-CLANTON, ALBERT E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: FOLLOWING UP ON SPEECH OUTPUT CRASH > Greetings! The correspondence below concerns my crashes when trying to use > the Debian site's link to the development tools of the package. More > precisely, it concerns the loss of the speech output from my screen reader, > JAWS, which I use because of my blindness. > -Original Message- > From: Freedom Scientific Software Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Suggestion to contact the site] > It is definitely something on the site since at one time it > worked and now it doesn't. Nothing has changed within JAWS. > -Original Message- > From: Freedom Scientific Software Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Since JAWS had been working on the web site you mentioned up until a short time > ago something must have changed on the page. You may want to contact the > web site developer to see if it can be resolved as we doubt there is much we > can do from here as far as JAWS is concerned. > -Original Message- > From: Jan V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "STEN-CLANTON, ALBERT E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have had no trouble checking out your site until late last week. > From > > WWW.DEBIAN.ORG, I followed the Packages link, then the link for > viewing > > stable packages. When I tried then to follow the link for the > development > > tools that come in what I presume to be the latest package, my speech > died. > > This happened four times, and I think only once was I able to avoid a > cold > > reboot. (The speech didn't just die there, but wiped out wholesale.) > > > > [snip problems accessing http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/ with > Jaws] > > This page is 100% valid HTML 4.0 Transitional so I believe the problem > with > this page is its size, it's over 150 kilobytes. > On my pc Jaws isn't responsive either when opening that URL, but after I > tried editing the page locally to make it (a lot) smaller, Jaws ran just > fine. So my guess is that Jaws can't handle pages of this magnitude. > > Maybe you could contact the technical support for Jaws and inform them > on > this bug. > [Sorry for the delay, exams are coming up in a couple of weeks] I did some "research" and have reason to believe that Jaws' crashing is due to the large definition-list ( tag in HTML). When I changed the definition list to an unordered (-tag) or ordered(-tag) one and after some replacing ( and to ) Jaws would run just fine. So, to summarize the issue: * The unaltered page gives problems => Jaws uses +- 99% of the CPU and the PC/Jaws is no longer responsive * The page with the definition list removed works flawlessly => the headers/footer are no problem (this doesn't mean that Osamu Aoki's remark isn't valid, but it doesn't solve the crashing of Jaws) * The page with the definition list replaced by 150KB of "Lorem ipsum..." text works just fine => size is not an issue * The page with the definition list replaced by an unordered list works just fine One last possibility is that Internet Explorer (the browser I used to check all this under Windows) has somehow changed with regards to -rendering and that is causing problems, but I have no knowledge on how Jaws gets it's information from the operating system.
Re: Bug#16625: menu's new byhand files
On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 05:54:22PM +, James Troup wrote: > Hi, > > Are these new byhand files absolutely necessary? Given the age of > this bug, I can only assume the web team have worked around whatever > problem they're designed to solve (?) and adding byhand files just > creates more work for us and more delays for the maintainer. Sorry to not have answered sooner, I was in holydays. It look like that Josip work around the need for byhand file and --- Josip has stated he was neutral about them, --- Joost did not care so far, --- James is against them. So I believe we can continue to work without them, so I close this bug. Apologize for the trouble to all the parties concerned. Cheers, -- Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
URGENT...URGENT...!!!!!
dear sir/madam, greetings, i am iraqi nationalty ,i had submeted to refugee status in UNHCR here (in jordan kingdom)since more than 4 years ,and i had got a rejections some times .then i appealed my claim more than 3 times with so much indicaters and evedences but i had got finally rejections ,now i am without protection card and my passport is fenished before some weeks !!so i dont have any documents that i can by it to stay in jordan kingdom !!so may be in anytime i will been displacing byforce to iraq!and this is mean torture then killed in iraq!!now you can known what is happened for me in the few past dayes ago !!the UNHCR office here was contacted with me by phone in wednesday 18/12/02 to going to UNHCR to recieved some picture!!while i am going after one day(in thursday 19/12/02) to UNHCR office i was recieved this pictures then i was sudden or surprised by the ambush or decoy which is making already by UNHCR office to deliveries me to jordanian authority.and virtually by policemen who was lurking abaft the UNHCR office then grab me or arrested me with kick me several kicks and taking me to ARRESTING to displacing me by force to iraq authority instead of protection me here! but i was came out from ARRESTING after 5 dayes with turture and hungering and i was casualty with acute festering of trachea and lungs to now.and but i was came out from ARRESTING by temporary bail or guaranty so..now,if you have alive conscience or pronoun , the then, you should be asked the chief of UNHCR/jordan mr.STEN A. BRONEE and madam.JAKLUINE PARLEVLI(protection unit) about this humanitrian dealing or humanitrian manner!rather "animal dealing or manner"!! and you should be asked them if they are here to protetion the human or to killed him?and let me hearing you soon please because from now,i cant surety my life here with UNHCR/JORDAN or rather "organization for random killed"and you can inquest from that. so plesae could you help me by contacting with any organizations or agencies in the world that recarding with human rights or jordanian goverment because my voice is very poor while your voice are strong in the world.and i am sure that is there are some defectiveness in UNHCR office ! my file nomber in UNHCR here:802/99 my phone :00962795305254 my emails:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] address of unhcr office here: P.O. Box 17101, Amman 11195, Jordan United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees- Amman office Amman, Jordan Fax: (962-6) 569-1915 to known what is happend here in UNHCR here so click on this : http://www.geocities.com/refugees_in_jordan_1/UN.html?1033226523920 www.geocities.com/alkefaaa82/un_new1.zip _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:49 +0100 > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 11:42:44PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > > Thank you for commiting the modification of debian.rc . Does the change > > affect future archives only? Or all past and future archives? > > Future only. Is there a pressing need to regenerate the old mails? > I would rather avoid it... I also think it is not a good idea to regenerate all pages now. A part of the reason is that it is too heavy, but another part of the reason is that the solution is not very good yet. In future, when MHonArc can handle all popular encodings and convert them into UTF-8, and when it can handle raw 8bit headers by some intelligent way, we may think about regenerate all pages by a very low priority background task. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 11:42:44PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > Thank you for commiting the modification of debian.rc . Does the change > affect future archives only? Or all past and future archives? Future only. Is there a pressing need to regenerate the old mails? I would rather avoid it... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:09:47 +0100 > > (permission of klecker:/org/www.debian.org/cron/people_scripts/people.pl > > I have no idea how you came from mhonarc to people.pl, but okay. :) Ah, I was confused. It is from another thread in debian-www list about similar 8bit problem on http://www.debian.org/devel/people.ja.html . Please read the recent thread named "automatically-generated ISO-8859-1 characters in mulbibyte webpages" for detail. Thank you for commiting the modification of debian.rc . Does the change affect future archives only? Or all past and future archives? --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 03:09:47PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > > Why not use iso_8859::str2sgml; instead of mhonarc::htmlize for > > > > iso-8859-1? > > [...] > > > Sounds like a very good idea. > > > > Who should I ask for this modification? > > This is the right place to ask, I was watching the discussion and waiting > for eventual objections. The subthreads don't seem to be overly decisive, > but the change seems like an oversight to me so I guess I'll apply it. --- debian.rc~ Sun Sep 22 05:27:19 2002 +++ debian.rc Mon Jan 6 08:05:07 2003 @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ plain; mhonarc::htmlize; us-ascii; mhonarc::htmlize; -iso-8859-1; mhonarc::htmlize; +iso-8859-1; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl iso-8859-2; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl iso-8859-3; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl iso-8859-4; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@ iso-8859-9; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl iso-8859-10;iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl iso-2022-jp;iso_2022_jp::str2html; iso2022jp.pl -latin1; mhonarc::htmlize; +latin1; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl latin2; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl latin3; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl latin4; iso_8859::str2sgml; iso8859.pl -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: out of date link
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 12:13:08PM +0100, Davide Puricelli wrote: > > Instead of > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > > it should point to > > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > > or perhaps even better to the specific topic > > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/intro.html#DOES-LINUX-RUN-ON-MY-COMPUTER Thanks, I've updated the link, the change should go live shortly. > > Sadly, though, the links on that FAQ are broken so I can't actually find > > a list of hardware that is or is not supported by Debian. This seems to > > me to be about the most fundamental question I need to answer so it is > > seriously disappointing that the answer is not easily available. Looks like something went wrong in the build process of that document at the Linux documentation project's site, it failed to generate links to INFO-SHEET which is at http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/INFO-SHEET.html Laptop-HOWTO at http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Laptop-HOWTO.html and the Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO at http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO/ I've Cc:ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that they are aware of the bug. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:45:47 + > If the headers contain 8-bit octets and are valid as UTF-8, it's > fairly safe to assume that they really are UTF-8. Otherwise, you could > look for a Content-Type field or make it depend on the mailing list. A good idea, but I think people who use UTF-8 today are those who know well on character encodings and don't send raw 8bit headers. > I thought some Japanese non-spammers use iso-2022-jp in headers, which > isn't 8-bit, but it isn't us-ascii, either. Am I out of date? Sometimes I read raw iso-2022-jp headers. However, fortunately, there are no Japanese mailing lists in Debian. (debian-japanese is an English mailing list.) And more, MHonArc seems not to have features to convert Japanese into SGML entity or &#; expression and we cannot support Japanese headers anyhow. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 10:09:11AM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > > > Why not use iso_8859::str2sgml; instead of mhonarc::htmlize for > > > iso-8859-1? > [...] > > Sounds like a very good idea. > > Who should I ask for this modification? This is the right place to ask, I was watching the discussion and waiting for eventual objections. The subthreads don't seem to be overly decisive, but the change seems like an oversight to me so I guess I'll apply it. > (permission of klecker:/org/www.debian.org/cron/people_scripts/people.pl I have no idea how you came from mhonarc to people.pl, but okay. :) > is 755 owner=joy group=debwww, but I don't know whether klecker is the > rignt place to do because I checked klecker just by chance. I also > checked gluck(=www.debian.org) and master but they don't have the file. The rule is that foo.debian.org is on the host that has the A for the said address, in the directory /org/foo.debian.org. Therefore lists.debian.org stuff would be in master.debian.org's /org/lists.debian.org, and that is indeed where it's at. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The key point is that when we receive a mail with raw 8bit characters, > we don't have an easy and relyable method to tell the characters are > from ISO-8859-1 or KOI8-R or other character sets. If the headers contain 8-bit octets and are valid as UTF-8, it's fairly safe to assume that they really are UTF-8. Otherwise, you could look for a Content-Type field or make it depend on the mailing list. > An easy way is to assume *all* raw 8bit characters to be KOI8-R and > convert into SGML entity. However, I don't know whether there are > some other languages where a certain amount of non-spammer people > use raw 8bit characters. If they exist, they will complain on this > idea. I thought some Japanese non-spammers use iso-2022-jp in headers, which isn't 8-bit, but it isn't us-ascii, either. Am I out of date? Edmund
Re: out of date link
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 12:13:08PM +0100, Davide Puricelli wrote: > > Thought you'd like to know about an out of date link on your site. > > > > The link to the Linux FAQ on > > http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-compat.en.html > > is out of date. > > Instead of > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > > it should point to > > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > > or perhaps even better to the specific topic > > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/intro.html#DOES-LINUX-RUN-ON-MY-COMPUTER > > > > Sadly, though, the links on that FAQ are broken so I can't actually find a > > list of hardware that is or is not supported by Debian. This seems to me to > > be about the most fundamental question I need to answer so it is seriously > > disappointing that the answer is not easily available. > > Actually this isn't a web site bug, but a Debian GNU/Linux FAQ one .. > Joy, could you fix it? Should I report this as a bug against doc-debian > package? I didn't stop reading this list, you know :) It is on my to-do list, don't worry. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:34:17 +0100 > >Again, speaking about lists.debian.org, my original idea is to assume > >all 8bit raw characters to be ISO-8859-1, though I don't know this is > >technically possible or not. > This is not needed, only spammers put raw latin-1 characters in mail > headers. The key point is that when we receive a mail with raw 8bit characters, we don't have an easy and relyable method to tell the characters are from ISO-8859-1 or KOI8-R or other character sets. Anyway, in debian-russian mailing list, raw 8bit characters in mail headers should be allowed and they should be assumed to be KOI8-R on building lists.debian.org pages. In any cases, using raw 8bit characters in lists.debian.org pages must be avoided (so that the pages are not broken), and thus, raw 8bit characters in mail headers must be converted into something (or must be deleted). An easy way is to assume *all* raw 8bit characters to be KOI8-R and convert into SGML entity. However, I don't know whether there are some other languages where a certain amount of non-spammer people use raw 8bit characters. If they exist, they will complain on this idea. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Jan 06, Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >IMO, in such a case, allowing raw 8bit mails is better (i.e., its merit >is larger than its demerit) than disabling them. > >Again, speaking about lists.debian.org, my original idea is to assume >all 8bit raw characters to be ISO-8859-1, though I don't know this is >technically possible or not. This is not needed, only spammers put raw latin-1 characters in mail headers. > In this case, Russian people will be >annoyed browsing lists.debian.org pages. This would be wrong, Russians do not use ISO-8859-1 anyway. -- ciao, Marco
Re: out of date link
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 05:55:41PM -, Dave Howorth wrote: > Hello, > > Thought you'd like to know about an out of date link on your site. > > The link to the Linux FAQ on > http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-compat.en.html > is out of date. > Instead of > http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > it should point to > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ > or perhaps even better to the specific topic > http://en.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/intro.html#DOES-LINUX-RUN-ON-MY-COMPUTER > > Sadly, though, the links on that FAQ are broken so I can't actually find a > list of hardware that is or is not supported by Debian. This seems to me to > be about the most fundamental question I need to answer so it is seriously > disappointing that the answer is not easily available. Actually this isn't a web site bug, but a Debian GNU/Linux FAQ one .. Joy, could you fix it? Should I report this as a bug against doc-debian package? Cheers, -- Davide Puricelli, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.debian.org Undergraduate Student of Computer Science at University of Bologna PGP key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpSZcbY8UADW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 10:09:11AM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > Hi, > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Denis Barbier) > Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization (Re: automatically-generated > ISO-8859-1 characters in mulbibyte webpages) > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:33:41 +0100 > > > > Why not use iso_8859::str2sgml; instead of mhonarc::htmlize for > > > iso-8859-1? > [...] > > Sounds like a very good idea. > > Who should I ask for this modification? > > (permission of klecker:/org/www.debian.org/cron/people_scripts/people.pl > is 755 owner=joy group=debwww, but I don't know whether klecker is the > rignt place to do because I checked klecker just by chance. I also > checked gluck(=www.debian.org) and master but they don't have the file. > Where can I find a document on how /org/* are processed?) 'joy' is Josip Rodin. He recently put these files into CVS: http://cvs.debian.org/cron/?cvsroot=webwml but I do not know how permissions are managed. IMO you should wait for his (or any other webmaster's) approval before applying changes. There is no extra documentation, you have to read scripts and the README files to learn how it works. Basically pages are generated on klecker (aka www-master) and copied to gluck. Denis
Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml)
Hi, From: Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:51:55 -0800 > This is "free bear". Translation shall be: Thank you. I committed the file. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml)
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 03:55:42PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > I see. I'd like to ask the meaning of another "free" in the > following sentence: > >When you >register, you get a free shell account you can use to log into the >wide variety of systems on the Test Drive network and try out the >software and operating systems running on them. > > I think it (free shell account) is also "free beer". However, the > original translator seems to think about "free speech", i.e., > "a shell account with which you can run anything you like". This is "free bear". Translation shall be: Touroku wo suru koto de, tesuto doraibu netto wa-ku no kakushu shisutemu ni roguin dekiru you ni nari, sokode hashitte iru sofuto uea- ya opere-tingu shisutemu wo tameseru mushou no sheru akaunto ga erare masu. (Of course use Japanese character fr the final version, pls.) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract
Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml)
Hi, From: "James A. Treacy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:40:49 -0500 > > > The Test Drive Program is a free service of HP. > > > > I think that the "free" here is "free beer", not "free speech". > > > Correct. I see. I'd like to ask the meaning of another "free" in the following sentence: When you register, you get a free shell account you can use to log into the wide variety of systems on the Test Drive network and try out the software and operating systems running on them. I think it (free shell account) is also "free beer". However, the original translator seems to think about "free speech", i.e., "a shell account with which you can run anything you like". --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: lists.debian.org de-localization
Hi, From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: lists.debian.org de-localization (Re: automatically-generated ISO-8859-1 characters in mulbibyte webpages) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:10:02 +0900 > This is a fairly small sample (about 100 subscribers, 25 regular > posters). However, the Russian spam I've seen (isn't it funny how you > can identify spam even though you can't read the language it's written > in?) invariably fails either the addressee tests (implicit, too many), > the known spam software test, or the HTML-only test. So (FWIW) I've > disabled the 8-bit test and so far the Russian subscribers are happy. IMO, in such a case, allowing raw 8bit mails is better (i.e., its merit is larger than its demerit) than disabling them. Again, speaking about lists.debian.org, my original idea is to assume all 8bit raw characters to be ISO-8859-1, though I don't know this is technically possible or not. In this case, Russian people will be annoyed browsing lists.debian.org pages. If it is possible to have "assumption encoding" for each mailing list, that of debian-russian list will be KOI8-R, that of debian-chinese-gb will be GB2312, and so on, and all others ISO-8859-1. I also hope there are some UTF-8 filters. (There seems a writer who uses UTF-8 name (From:) in debian-esperanto.) However, I don't know at all about MHonArc --- Tomohiro KUBOTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: free in free beer? (News/2003/20030102.wml)
Hi, On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 12:40:49AM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 10:31:58AM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > > > The Test Drive Program is a free service of HP. > > I think that the "free" here is "free beer", not "free speech". > Correct. > > Debian always says "Debian is free software, in free speech > > meaning, not free beer meaning" This is from the starting page of http://www.debian.org, but its link from "free" leads to the page http://www.debian.org/intro/free. There exist lines like "When we speak of Free Software, we mean freedom, not price." Please note the capitalization here :) I tend to use capitalized "Free" for freedom/libre. But mandating this on Debian web site may be too much. (I am suggesting to define the word Free somewhere on web site like English contracts where lawyer defines many capitalized words with specific meanings.) I think this English use of "free" for HP service is OK since context was clearly different from Free Software. ... > the wrong idea. Not exactly a good way to get an idea out. Now if the > term chosen had been 'social software'... :) You must be kidding :) "social" has good tone in Europe but in the US, it is very negative. "Free" in many senses have a very positive tone in the US. * free speech * free bear * free sex :) * ... No wonder RMS chose "free" over "social" or "community" when he started FSF. Socialism and Communism are evil in the US. PS: The Japanese word "Frii Sofutoueaa", a imported word combination, used to be used exclusively for royalty-free licensing in Japan. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract
