UPPERCASE surname?
Hi, I found that webwml/english/News/weekly/2003/02/index.wml was modified to de-capitalize a surname of a person (well, me). http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/News/weekly/2003/02/index.wml.diff?r1=1.10r2=1.11cvsroot=webwml I don't understand why uppercase surname is not accepted. Uppercase surname is widely used in academic world and it is useful to show which part is the surname. Especially, because of some confusion of Japanese (and other east Asian?) way of writing their name in Alphabets transcription (which Osamu Aoki mentioned recently), it is useful to capitalize surname (though it is not used by everyone). Though I am not enthusiastic enough to insist to modify the wml file again, my concern is how my name (and other capitalized names) should be handled when these names are newly written somewhere. My opinion is to respect their own way to write or the expression in the news source. PLEASE DON'T REQUIRE JAPANESE PEOPLE TO UNIFY THE WAY TO WRITE NAMES. Such an argument continues more than 10 years in Japan. Thus, the only realistic solution is never to meddle. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
Re: event reports visibility
* Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-16 21:49]: Makefile.local is created by a perlie that first reads all local foo-report.wml files and prints foo.wml: foo-report.wml (or was it foo.$(LANG).html: foo-report.wml). Then, if LANG is not english, it repeats in $ENGLISHDIR, but limits the output to those foo.wml files that weren't printed out yet. For the index file, if there is a foo-report.wml file either in the local or in the $ENGLISHDIR directory, it prints index.wml: files. The Makefile.local file is regularily regenerated. Sounds like an idea that could work. Are you going to try it? :) Gerfried Fuchs wrote: How to you use it, then? I thought of that, too but found no easy way to include it in the list at the end, then. I don't understand what you mean. At the moment an events header looks like: [snip] Those tags are used by event.wml and past_event.wml. If you don't yet know how to treat them compared to a non-defined tag, check the SPI minutes.wml file. You don't have to define guests, absents etc. Thanks for the hint to the minutes.wml, but I was more thinking of how to include it in the ul at the end as an item. I can't come up with an idea of how to do this other than having the report link being included somewhere else on the events page. No idea how to make it still show up in the related links section if it defines a tag on its own in the header. If we would have to include it by hand in the list at the end anyway I don't see any gain defining the tag in the file itself, too. So long, Alfie -- It's simply unbelievable how much energy and creativity people have invested into creating contradictory, bogus and stupid licenses... --- Sven Rudolph about licences in debian/non-free. pgptGD0Q7t0Dc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: polish webwml cvs pserver account
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:47:23PM +0100, Marcin Owsiany wrote: I'd like the old unused polish cvs pserver account reactivated. It needs to have R/W access to webwml tree (and only that). Could someone with necessary permissions do that and send me the password? The reason for that is a new Polish non-DD translator, who started translating recently and is very active :-) Actually the translator should submit their own username (along with their name and email address) and then they'll get access. Accounts named as languages are deprecated. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: event reports visibility
Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-16 21:49]: Makefile.local is created by a perlie that first reads all local foo-report.wml files and prints foo.wml: foo-report.wml (or was it foo.$(LANG).html: foo-report.wml). Then, if LANG is not english, it repeats in $ENGLISHDIR, but limits the output to those foo.wml files that weren't printed out yet. For the index file, if there is a foo-report.wml file either in the local or in the $ENGLISHDIR directory, it prints index.wml: files. The Makefile.local file is regularily regenerated. Sounds like an idea that could work. Are you going to try it? :) No need to try, I already use self-modifying Makefiles. What about this patch and the attached script? Index: Makefile === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/events/2002/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 Makefile --- Makefile10 Nov 2001 20:17:09 - 1.1 +++ Makefile17 Jan 2003 20:52:25 - @@ -1,10 +1,11 @@ -# This Makefile should need no changes from webwml/english/events/2001/Makefile +# This Makefile should need no changes from webwml/english/events/2002/Makefile # Please send a message to debian-www if you need to modify anything, so the # problem can be fixed. WMLBASE=../.. CUR_DIR=events/2002 SUBS= +MLOCAL = $(wildcard Makefile.reports) include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang @@ -14,3 +15,10 @@ %.$(LANGUAGE).html: %.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/event.wml $(WML) $(F) + +Makefile.reports: + $(ENGLISHSRCDIR)/events/make_makefile_reports.pl $(ENGLISHSRCDIR)/$(CUR_DIR) + +ifneq $(MLOCAL) +include Makefile.reports +endif It does not yet scan for the defined report, but that can be added quite easily. Those tags are used by event.wml and past_event.wml. If you don't yet know how to treat them compared to a non-defined tag, check the SPI minutes.wml file. You don't have to define guests, absents etc. Thanks for the hint to the minutes.wml, but I was more thinking of how to include it in the ul at the end as an item. I can't come up with if defined, add the code a href=reportgettextReport/gettext/a to the header that contains When, Where and More Info at the moment. an idea of how to do this other than having the report link being included somewhere else on the events page. No idea how to make it Ah... yes, I'd place it to the header in that case. :-) still show up in the related links section if it defines a tag on its own in the header. If we would have to include it by hand in the list at the end anyway I don't see any gain defining the tag in the file itself, too. If you want to have it in the ul at the end, that's a little bit more tricky, but doable as well. :-) First find out if there is a ul already. If there isn't, just create one. If there is, modify the ul to write ul\nli... when the source file contains the string ul. You'll just have to redefine ul and refer to ul* for the original. Regards, Joey -- Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror. make_makefile_reports.pl Description: Perl program
Bug#177200: www.debian.org: images expire too fast?
Package: www.debian.org Version: unavailable; reported 2003-01-18 Severity: minor Isn't expiring static things like this so fast wasteful of bandwidth? $ wwwoffle -O http://www.debian.org/Pics/red-upperright.png|s HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:43:54 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2 Cache-Control: max-age=86400 Expires: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:43:54 GMT Last-Modified: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:09:42 GMT ETag: 6d2e70-158-3a12fb96 Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Type: image/png Content-Length: 344 Connection: close Proxy-Connection: close -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780
PROBLEM WITH WEB PAGE
I was trying to access the .pdf document on how to install Debian GNU/Linux to the Intel x86 platform (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install) and I keep getting an error messge. Is there someplace else that I can download the installation document from? Thanks, Steven Williams Franklin County Emergency Management 502 Boeing St Pasco, WA 99301 Ph: 509-545-3546 Fax: 509-545-2139 Pgr: 509-530-6897 www.franklinem.org The information contained in this message is priviledged and private and may contain information that is exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity named or their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any review, use, disclosure or distribution of this message in any form, is prohibited. If you recieved this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone at 509-545-3546 and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you.
Re: PROBLEM WITH WEB PAGE
Hi Steve! You wrote: I was trying to access the .pdf document on how to install Debian GNU/Linux to the Intel x86 platform (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install) and I keep getting an error messge. Is there someplace else that I can download the installation document from? Downloading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.en.pdf (as linked from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/) works fine here. What error message do you get exactly? You could also try one of the mirrors, for example http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key: 0644fab7 | || Fingerprint: c1f5 f24c d514 3fec 8bf6 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a2b1 2bae e41f 0644 fab7 | ++
Re: UPPERCASE surname?
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 05:50:19PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: I don't understand why uppercase surname is not accepted. Uppercase surname is widely used in academic world I think if the document is in English, then English style is just fine. The uppercase stuff may be appropriate in e.g. French, but I don't believe there's any rule in English that requires it. Also, writing whole words uppercase is a sign of yelling in electronic communication channels which a lot of us are accustomed to. and it is useful to show which part is the surname. Especially, because of some confusion of Japanese (and other east Asian?) way of writing their name in Alphabets transcription (which Osamu Aoki mentioned recently), it is useful to capitalize surname (though it is not used by everyone). By default, the first part is the name, and the second part is the surname. There would only be confusion if someone wrote Kubota Tomohiro, and I don't see why anyone would do that. My opinion is to respect their own way to write or the expression in the news source. But that's already accomplished by providing the native spelling, isn't it? :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: SPARC port page
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:35:49AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: I recently referred a SPARC user to http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/. He came back and said that the Debian SPARC port was too old to bother with. Looking at the page I see, under Current Status, Debian SPARC in Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (``potato'') uses Linux 2.2 (which ^^ includes SPARC patches), the release GNU libc 2.1, egcs 1.1.2, etc. In short, recent work in the GNU toolchain is enabling us to keep all of the Debian ports in sync. I had understood that Woody included all architectures. I've removed that outdated and confusing paragraph, thanks. (The change will go live shortly.) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: polish webwml cvs pserver account
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 06:52:24PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: you can add the account yourself, the file is in the CVSROOT of the webwml tree. I did, but Marek says it doesn't work: tamcap: no such user Moreover I can't verify that because of some mysterious: cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.debian.org(192.25.206.10):2401 failed: Connection refused What do I do now? :-) Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 pgpDLx0rV0qFG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: UPPERCASE surname?
From: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UPPERCASE surname? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:32:58 +0100 I think if the document is in English, then English style is just fine. The uppercase stuff may be appropriate in e.g. French, but I don't believe there's any rule in English that requires it. Also, writing whole words uppercase is a sign of yelling in electronic communication channels which a lot of us are accustomed to. I see, but I will continue to write my name as Tomohiro KUBOTA in From: mail headers and so on. I won't force others to follow my way. By default, the first part is the name, and the second part is the surname. There would only be confusion if someone wrote Kubota Tomohiro, and I don't see why anyone would do that. Though we rarely need to know which part is given name and which part is surname, it is not safe to assume there is a default. Though I everytime write my given name first and surname next in Alphabet transcription, I don't know about other Japanese or other peoples. For example, the followings are a statistics of famous Japanese people, though the results don't exclude Japanese web pages: --- surname givenname Google hits in Google hits in s-g order g-s order --- Natsume Soseki 34101700 Kawabata Yasunari 54105370 MatsuiHideki 5946030 Tokugawa Ieyasu 69002010 Oda Nobunaga 56601650 Ito Hirobumi 1880 633 Ozawa Seiji 3150 25100 (Mao Tse-Tung 827001260) * Chinese --- I think you cannot assume givenname-surname order is default. --- Tomohiro KUBOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/
