date:20081026

Re: updated Hebrew translation for Debian Social Contract.

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Seidel

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 09:48:15AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:37:02AM +0200, Oz Nahum wrote:
This should be resolved by renaming the file

http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/hebrew/social_contract.1.1.wml

http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/hebrew/social_contract.wml

And I think it will solve also the other issues I've raised.

I'll be happy if someone did it.

Oh Oz, please, please wake up! How often did I mention how to solve this?

social_contract.1.1.wml and social_contract.wml are *not* identical. They
differ only in a few HTML tags and I could probably convert
social_contract.1.1.wml into social_contract.wml (in hebrew/). But why should I?
You seem to miss the basic workflow and really, really have to learn it.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but how often should I repeat me? If you don't
understand anything you can *always* ask after reading the published information
on the website.

What would be different:
* content
* translation check header

This needs to addressed first and I wrote about this at least twice! It is
also obvious as there is no special handling required compared to other
files.

According to
http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/CVS--Concurrent%20Versions%20System%20v1.12.12.1%3A%20Adding%2C%20removing%2C%20and%20renaming%20files%20and%20directories#SEC72,
there are three ways to do this:

* The normal way to rename

There is no need to address this problem on the server. Yes, CVS doesn't
properly
support renaming files but we don't need it. The Hebrew translation has no
history
which we need to save.

* Moving the history file
* Copying the history file

That's not necessary. The problem can be solved via normal cvs operations as
the English
file is not affected (revision number wasn't reset to 1.0 once the last commit
error was
fixed). All is fine ...

Jens

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Statistics for outdated web pages is not being updated

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Krefting


Hi!

After the move of people.debian.org off of gluck, the pages at 
http://people.debian.org/~peterk/outdated/ are no longer getting updated as 
they require direct (password-less) access to the CVS repository, and this 
does not work when they are on different hosts.


The automatic purge of pages should still work as long as the cronjobs on 
gluck keep running.



I have copied everything over from gluck, and am ready to start up 
everything as soon as the webwml CVS is moved over, or a different solution 
is found.


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Re: installation problems with debian

2008-10-26 Thread Simon Paillard

Hello Raju,

debian-www is about discussing the Debian website.

I forward your mail to the list debian-user which is the right list
where to ask for help.
http://www.debian.org/support

By the way, you should give more information to help people
understanding your issue, for example how you get internet connection
(ethernet, specific modem, PPPoE, etc.)

Best regards,

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:12:59PM +0530, Raju P T Raju wrote:
 I have machine with P3  733 hertz on VIA motherboard with 256 MB SD
 RAM.When I installed debian it is OK except for internet.My broadband
 connection doesnot work with it.
 
 when installing the network hardware hadnot detected by debian. is
 this the problem for connecting to internet.
 what can I do to get the internet connectivity with debian.
 
 Kindly help if some body has a sloution

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Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Seidel

Hi,

the Debian website contained two nearly identical copies of the Debian Social
contract. That's why http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.1 got removed and
the current version can be found in http://www.debian.org/social_contract.

The following languages miss now a translation of
http://www.debian.org/social_contract even though a previous version of
http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.1 existed:

Dutch, Hebrew, Turkish, Ukrainian

Please provide a translation based on the removed file. I will explain it
shortly for Hebrew:

Obtain the old source code of social_contract.1.1.wml (choose most recent one):
Translation:
http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/hebrew/Attic/social_contract.1.1.wml?view=log
English file:
http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/Attic/social_contract.1.1.wml?view=log

The languages Dutch and Turkish are outdated and based on revision 1.1 of the
English file, same for Ukrainian which is based on revision 1.2. Please update
the translation by integrating all changes between 1.1 (resp. 1.2) and 1.4.
List of changes (only minor ones):
http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/Attic/social_contract.1.1.wml?r1=1.1r2=1.4diff_format=h
(Replace r1=1.1 for Ukrainian with r1=1.2)

Download the latest version of the English document:
http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/social_contract.wml?view=log

Integrate all changes between social_contract.1.1.wml.ENGLISH and
social_contract.wml.ENGLISH into the previous translation and rename
it to social_contract.wml. Change also the revision in the line
#use wml::debian::translation-check to 1.6 and send this file to
debian-www.

Please avoid any changes to line breaks and formatting issues so that it's
easier to compare the old with the new translation.

More details: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/

Jens

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Re: updated Hebrew translation for Debian Social Contract.

2008-10-26 Thread Oz Nahum

Oh Oz, please, please wake up! How often did I mention how to solve this?
social_contract.1.1.wml and social_contract.wml are *not* identical. They
differ only in a few HTML tags and I could probably convert
social_contract.1.1.wml into social_contract.wml (in hebrew/). But why
should I?

Jens !
I really don't know how to answer you. I seem not to under stand you. These
two files have exactly the same content, why not rename ? Why do I have to
translate again ?

You seem to miss the basic workflow and really, really have to learn it.

I am doing my best to follow up all the mails, it would help if you don't
loose your patience. I don't really see other people standing in the line to
help translating this pages.

I looked at the directory structure of the English pages and and translated
social contract 1.1, and my mistake was to rename the file to
social_contract1.1.wmlObviously the numbering scheme was redundant, because,
only the old version has a number in the English directory. Hence,  I asked
someone to rename it. I'm not aware of any difference in html tags or other
tags.
Please rename the file so this work will be published.

Have a nice week,

Oz.

Re: Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Frans Pop

 the Debian website contained two nearly identical copies of the Debian
 Social contract. That's why http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.1
 got removed and the current version can be found in
 http://www.debian.org/social_contract.

Why wasn't this done in a way that would have kept existing translations 
of version 1.1 valid?

I.e:
- first copy 1.1 unchanged for _all_ languages to new location and update
  translation comments (or keep old English version for new document)
- then make wanted changes in new document
- finally remove the 1.0 and 1.1 documents

IMO that would have made things much more transparent and a lot less worlk 
for translators.

You are now forcing me to jump through hoops and do extensive checks to 
see that I've not missed anything to resurrect the Dutch translation 
while the actual changes are minor.

Not amused!

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Seidel

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:39:49PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
  the Debian website contained two nearly identical copies of the Debian
  Social contract. That's why http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.1
  got removed and the current version can be found in
  http://www.debian.org/social_contract.
 
 Why wasn't this done in a way that would have kept existing translations 
 of version 1.1 valid?

This happened! Version 1.1 can be found at 
http://www.debian.org/social_contract.
This page is already translated into many languages and these are *not*
affected. But this file wasn't translated for Dutch.
 
 I.e:
 - first copy 1.1 unchanged for _all_ languages to new location and update
   translation comments (or keep old English version for new document)

Please note that no rename happened, one superfluous file just got removed.

 - then make wanted changes in new document

No changes happened these days.

 - finally remove the 1.0 and 1.1 documents

1.0 still exists.
 
 IMO that would have made things much more transparent and a lot less worlk 
 for translators.

Only recently we noticed that two copies of version 1.1 were committed. This
is useless and requires two translations. You dealed with the wrong one
(the Hebrew translator too) :-(
 
 You are now forcing me to jump through hoops and do extensive checks to 
 see that I've not missed anything to resurrect the Dutch translation 
 while the actual changes are minor.

Please note that the old existing Dutch translation was outdated as well.
Just update it and integrete a few addiional changes and you're done.
 
 Not amused!

Be happy that we noticed the problem. The removed translation wasn't used at all
as no page linked to social_contract.1.1.

Jens


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Re: Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Frans Pop

On Sunday 26 October 2008, Frans Pop wrote:
  the Debian website contained two nearly identical copies of the
  Debian Social contract. That's why
  http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.1 got removed and the current
  version can be found in
  http://www.debian.org/social_contract.

 You are now forcing me to jump through hoops and do extensive checks to
 see that I've not missed anything to resurrect the Dutch translation
 while the actual changes are minor.

And it even seems to me that the provided instructions are completely 
broken.

IIUC the correct new document should be social_contract.wml and that 
should have revision 1.6.

However, if I look at http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/, I see 
social_contract.1.0.wml still there with revision 1.6, while 
social_contract.wml has revision *1.23* and does not seem to have been 
touched in ages.

This really sucks.


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Re: Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Frans Pop

 The languages Dutch and Turkish are outdated and based on revision 1.1
 of the English file

Where did you get this strange idea that the Dutch translation was 
outdated anyway? The translation check header for social_contract.1.1.wml 
in the Dutch translation clearly says (said) that it's based on 1.4.

/me getting less and less amused by the minute

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Please update the translation of the Debian Social contract

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Seidel

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:13:22PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
  The languages Dutch and Turkish are outdated and based on revision 1.1
  of the English file
 
 Where did you get this strange idea that the Dutch translation was 
 outdated anyway? The translation check header for social_contract.1.1.wml 
 in the Dutch translation clearly says (said) that it's based on 1.4.

Yes, this was wrong. I opened the CVS log for the hebrew translation
and replaced hebrew by dutch and other languages to look into the removed
translations. I missed to remove ?rev=1.1 so I looked into revision 1.1. But
be honest this isn't critical at all!

I just tried to ensure that a fundamental document of Debian gets translated,
especially as an older one got removed and it is simple to reuse it. If I
had not written this mail you and others maybe would maybe start translation
from beginning instead of reusing existing work.

I also mainly tried to address new contributors as the languages I mentioned
really need help and new contributors. That's why I tried to explain it as
simple as possible and used the web frontend only. Current translators
should just note that there is work to do and don't have to start from scratch.
 
 /me getting less and less amused by the minute

I'm not worried about this, really.

Jens


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Re: updated Hebrew translation for Debian Social Contract.

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Seidel

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:16:16PM +0100, Oz Nahum wrote:
 Oh Oz, please, please wake up! How often did I mention how to solve this?
 social_contract.1.1.wml and social_contract.wml are *not* identical. They
 differ only in a few HTML tags and I could probably convert
 social_contract.1.1.wml into social_contract.wml (in hebrew/). But why
 should I?
 
 Jens !
 I really don't know how to answer you. I seem not to under stand you. These
 two files have exactly the same content, why not rename ? Why do I have to
 translate again ?

No, they have not the same content! I explained the necessary steps for
newcomers in a separate mail (but used once a wrong revision for the
translation-check header as Frans noticed), please follow them to get the last
English source of both affected files and compare these. They are very similar
but there are changes. Maybe you compared the HTML files (instead of WML
files)?

In http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2008/10/msg00137.html I wrote:
Once you translated social_contract.wml I suggest to also translate
 social_contract.1.1.wml as this is very, very similar (and improves your
 statistics :-)
 
very, very similar != identical

In http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2008/10/msg00140.html I wrote:
Since both documents are nearly identical I suggest you send us
 social_contract.wml as well.

nearly != completely

If I had noticed that both files are identical I had of course committed
your translation twice.

 You seem to miss the basic workflow and really, really have to learn it.
 
 I am doing my best to follow up all the mails, it would help if you don't
 loose your patience. I don't really see other people standing in the line to
 help translating this pages.

No, I don't loose my patience and I hope you're not angry with me. If this
will really happen one time be sure that this was not my intention and feel
free to ignore me :-)
 
 I looked at the directory structure of the English pages and and translated
 social contract 1.1, and my mistake was to rename the file to
 social_contract1.1.wml

Ah, so you translated english/social_contract.wml? In
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2008/10/msg00138.html you wrote:
This time it's the correct file, /hebrew/social_contract.1.1.wml

I'm confused :-)

(That's why I ask for the file name so that we always know where we have
to commit.)

Looking at the content, you translated social_contract.1.1.wml which
is different from social_contract.wml.

 Obviously the numbering scheme was redundant, because,
 only the old version has a number in the English directory. Hence,  I asked
 someone to rename it. I'm not aware of any difference in html tags or other
 tags.
 Please rename the file so this work will be published.

OK, I will do your work and bring the file in sync with the current English
one. As the changes only affect HTML I should be able to do it.

I also suggest we continue discussion via private mail to reduce useless
discussions on the list.

Jens


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Debian 4

2008-10-26 Thread aim fasa

Can i have debian 4 because i really need it...because 2nd december i wanna
join competition about it...
please help me

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