Bug#1074176: packages.debian.org: allow seeing files

[Dan Jacobson]

Thanks. But: The older page needs to mention the newer page, else
people who end up on the older page will think that that is all they are 
allowed to see.
In fact the older page should use the links from the newer page, to make its 
flat list clickable.
Also both pages don't have any file dates. That is mainly why the reader came 
there,
to see how old the files are. Sure, there is a VERSION file, but no date on it 
either.
Anyway: so the entire website needs to use ls -og to show the dates.
Yes, "dates aren't reliable", but no dates are worse.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 09:47:15AM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> You are probably looking for this URL:
> https://sources.debian.org/src/gdal/3.9.1~rc2%2Bdfsg-1~exp1/

Bug#207095: closed by Thomas Lange (closing)

[Dan Jacobson]

OK, that's great. But nobody visiting the packages page knows about the 
tracker page, so there ought to be a hyperlink added to it on the 
packages page.

Bug#1029747: Empty "Categorize using"

[Dan Jacobson]

Package:www.debian.org

On https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ there is an empty
Categorize using

Bug#207095: so hard to get dates

[Dan Jacobson]

On https://github.com/GPSBabel/gpsbabel/issues/981#issuecomment-1385579428
I was racking my brains again to show them the dates.

Bug#983079: Don't captialize package names

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

https://blends.debian.org/astro/tasks/education ,
https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/astronomy.fi.html
capitalizes package names.
However that makes it impossible to paste them into apt, etc.

Bug#933609: How hard it is to find the Date of a package

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Let's look at a typical "Download" page,
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/couchsurfing-inc/couchsurfing-travel-app/couchsurfing-travel-app-4-26-0-release/#downloads
as we see dates are of utmost importance.

Wherever we see a version number, we see a date.

In fact I'm sure you would be hard pressed to find any website that
doesn't (except https://www.google.com/earth/versions/#download-pro ).

So I'm saying that the Debian website should "cough up the date",
yes, "even if it is not the right date", just some date, any date, and
put it more clearly on the trail of what the user sees after Googling a
package.

I mean there are the MD5 sums, etc. down to the exact byte count, etc.
but no indication of if the package was updated last year, or before the
NASA moon voyages.

Those apt tools are great, but let's have the website cough up some
dates better too.

Bug#933609: How hard it is to find the Date of a package

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

> "YW(" == Yao Wei (魏銘廷)  writes:
YW(> A probably known easier way is to see the standardized changelog of the 
package.  There should be a date in each version.

OK, so smart users know that the Date is hiding in the
$ w3m -dump https://packages.debian.org/sid/web/webext-ublock-origin | grep 
Change
  • Debian Changelog
link.

Bug#933609: How hard it is to find the Date of a package

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

Let's examine how extremely hard it is for a user to squeeze update date
of a package he is thinking of installing out of the Debian system.

First of all update dates are not part of any Package* file. So forget
apt, etc.

Now we must turn to the web.

Case in point:

"Should we install webext-ublock-origin, or get it from the Chrome web
store. I know, let's see which is newer!" #933608

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm
says says "Updated July 25, 2019"

That was simple.

OK, let's turn to Debian.

https://www.google.com/search?q=webext-ublock-origin leads to
https://packages.debian.org/sid/web/webext-ublock-origin
from where we must know to click on "all",
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/webext-ublock-origin/download

There we see
  More information on webext-ublock-origin_1.19.0+dfsg-2_all.deb:
  Exact Size1617728 Byte (1.5 MByte)
  MD5 checksum  190c7c66089925f72489624d700c34a0
  SHA1 checksum Not Available
  SHA256 checksum   
bf50b4180ba0daddd720b5ce1702a315ed7743cc749ebb3cc131fe60dcc648c9

but Date is still not included.

So we must copy a link, and run HEAD on it,

$ HEAD 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/ublock-origin/webext-ublock-origin_1.19.0+dfsg-2_all.deb
200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 01:17:03 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
ETag: "5d22808b-18af40"
Server: nginx/1.13.6
Content-Length: 1617728
Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Last-Modified: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:30:19 GMT


Ah, finally!

But let's say we are not as smart.

So we must shorten the link:

http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/ublock-origin/

Then click Last Modified (twice), then look for the file we want...

Bug#927987: Don't tell users to use ext3

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apcs03.html.en says

a single / partition (plus swap) is probably the easiest, simplest way
to go. However, if your partition is larger than around 6GB, choose ext3
as your partition type.

OK, the installer proposed ext4, but as you wish, OK, we will choose ext3.

 Ext2 partitions need periodic file system integrity checking, and this
 can cause delays during booting when the partition is large.


That is nice to know but what about ext4?

In fact no need to mention any ext[234] in this whole document anymore.

Bug#924164: Don't say use Jigdo

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

On https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd :

See my comment at the end of bug #639937. Jigdo will not build 100%
correct CDs due to the index files often not being in 100% sync. So please
don't recommend it as a way to download Debian CDs. Else one will take
such CD to some remote mountain only to find parts missing so cannot
proceed with installation.

Bug#924120: Say "netinst multi-arch CD images"

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Well all I know is we think they must be in contrast to the other items
listed.

>>>>> "HW" == Holger Wansing  writes:
HW> Hi,

HW> 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson  wrote:
>> Package: www.debian.org
>> 
>> On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
>> After "Current daily snapshots" say
>> "netinst multi-arch CD images"
>> Not just
>> "multi-arch CD images".
>> 

HW> The "multi-arch CD images" is - as first - the definition of a group of 
images,
HW> or say a category.
HW> Currently, there is only the netinst image in that category, but maybe there
HW> are more multi-arch images to come in the future?

HW> If that happens, the label would then be no longer correct now.

Bug#924122: Users' eyes are drawn to "USB stick"

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
users see:
"other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)"

But in fact many of the other places above and below that can also be
used for USB sticks. In fact they are the more primary places...

Bug#924120: Say "netinst multi-arch CD images"

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
After "Current daily snapshots" say
"netinst multi-arch CD images"
Not just
"multi-arch CD images".

Bug#894707: Bugs for wiki.debconf.org. Please forward

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: wiki.debian.org

Bugs for wiki.debconf.org. Please forward

1) https://wiki.debconf.org/ should mention where the bug tracker is to
file reports about it.


2) Site looks broken as $wgLogo is missing.

3) epiphany browser console says:

[Error] Error parsing header X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block, 1;
mode=block: expected semicolon at character position 14. The default
protections will be applied. (Special:RecentChanges, line 1)

Bug#893798: Dreamhost dumps Debian

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org

Bad news for
https://www.debian.org/users/com/dreamhost :
https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/change-is-in-the-air-dreamhost-upgrades/

So please remove it.

Bug#840899: no NEXT PAGE button for search results

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

X-debbugs-cc: enr...@debian.org
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

https://debtags.debian.org/search/?q=web%3A%3Abrowser
says
About 56 results for web::browser:
and shows 20
and lacks any NEXT PAGE button.

Bug#809796: make dates of packages more visible

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

> "AV" == Alex Vong  writes:

AV> I don't exactly understand what do you mean by
AV> `learn any of the DATES of any of the items listed'. If you are looking
AV> for when the package was being last updated, you can look at the news
AV> section of . I

No that doesn't give a clear date... looking at e.g., dpkg.html etc, same 
problem.

AV> agree it will help if the package page contains something like
AV> `last updated on 1 Jan 2016'.

Yes! That's what I want.

And I would hope it would be produced totally automatically when a
package arrives at the website.

Bug#809796: make dates of packages more visible

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Starting from
https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/ideviceinstaller
it is an extreme challenge to learn any of the DATES of
any of the items listed, without being forced to download to find out.

One can read all of the details, except one cannot tell if the things
mentioned have been updated 1 or 10 years ago.

Yes, packages have no official Date: field, but one still wants some
general idea how long the thing has been sitting there.

Bug#207095: last change date not on packages.d.o

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Probably the least bandwith using way to find the date currently is to
just check their directory entry in .../pool/...

But OK maybe date isn't important to some people, so I'll just respect
that, so you can close it if you like.

But even Google play store and Apple app store all have latest
version date info all with no more clicks needed to see.


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Bug#761138: closed by Paul Wise p...@debian.org (Re: Bug#761138: pagetrail misleading)

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

B Added the suggested prefix, thanks for the usability tip.
Where did you add it? I still see

Debian Wiki
FrontPage
debconfandroid-sdkKVMPaulWiseFrontPage


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Bug#761138: closed by Paul Wise p...@debian.org (Re: Bug#761138: pagetrail misleading)

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Nope. Not showing up. Even logged in with a different browser.

Debian Wiki
HelpContents
PaulWiseRecentChangesHelpContents

Anyway yours says Wiki/ mine says Debian Wiki.

 PW == Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
PW On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:52 PM, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote:

B Added the suggested prefix, thanks for the usability tip.
 Where did you add it? I still see

PW Sounds like you need to reload, I see this:

PW Wiki/
PW Recently viewed pages:
PW Derivatives/Integration/how-can-i-help/how-can-i-help/Ideas/Reproducible
PW Builds/Paul Wise

Bug#761138: bug only fixed in one of the many themes

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

 PW == Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:

PW I guess you aren't using the default theme, please change your
PW preferences to switch to it.

Holy smokes.
OK I now changed it from Right Sidebar to Default and yuck... I
didn't like it and changed it back.

Anyway please fix the bug in the other 85% of the themes. Thanks!


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Bug#761138: bug only fixed in one of the many themes

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

OK I filed https://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/ClarifyPathMeaning
but I don't want to get more involved with wikis other than MediaWiki,
which is also why I didn't spend a lot of times comparing themes, but
just picked one that seemed better at a quick glance.


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Bug#761138: pagetrail misleading

[積丹尼 Dan Jacobson]

Package: wiki.debian.org

The ul id=pagetrail part of a MoinMoin page looks like it is
describing what part of the site we are looking at, where in fact it is
showing a web history of what we have browsed. At least prefix it by
Recently viewed pages:.


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Bug#421654: packages.debian.org mail jam

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor

Just to let you know what packages.debian.org does these days:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent has not yet been delivered to one or more of its
recipients after more than 48 hours on the queue on frodo.hserus.net.

The message identifier is: 1HgNnu-0001il-4s
The subject of the message is: upgrade fisaco
The date of the message is:Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:10:36 +0800

The address to which the message has not yet been delivered is:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delay reason: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:
host puccini.debian.org [87.106.4.56]: 450 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sender address rejected: unverified address: Address verification in 
progress


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Bug#352115: Debian wiki should look more like wikipedia

[Dan Jacobson]

We are used to wikipedia where there is always some way to HTTP POST
a comment, and even one can find an email address... anyway, wikipedia
users can't find the familiar comment methods to click on and thus
give up. Therefore Debian wiki should look more like wikipedia.


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Bug#352115: www.debian.org: no feedback path given

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Looking at e.g., http://wiki.debian.org/BashCommands , one sees some
lines jumbled together, and wants to tell somebody about the problem.
Same with many other pages on that site.

However one cannot see any webmaster etc. problem email address on the page.
Nor is there any Discuss This Page choice.
All there is is an Immutable Page notice.
If one needs to login first to make comments, then that should be
noted.

Anyway, the http://wiki.debian.org/* reader finds no way to make
helpful comments.


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Bug#350246: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages should mention experimental

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages doesn't mention one word about
the experimental distribution.

$ w3m -dump http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages|grep -i distribution$
View the packages in the stable distribution
View the packages in the testing distribution
View the packages in the unstable distribution

These days users demand to know where the experimental distribution lives:

 If you _really_ want to help me you should check that the bug is
 STILL present in pilot-link from experimental so I can submit a bug
 report upstream.

 I do not ask you to USE the experimental version for your day-to-day
 work. I just ask you to check that the bug is not already corrected
 by using the experimental version just for that.

Therefore, there should be some mention of the experimental distribution
on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages .


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Bug#283041: www.debian.org: mention how to get Contents.gz

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

On http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages at the end of Search the
contents of packages, mention how to get the file listing all their
contents (.../Contents.gz?), and warn how big it is.

Contents-i386.gz is mentioned in /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ but
he doesn't say where it is on the mirrors.

Bug#271360: www.debian.org: 8710 packages

[Dan Jacobson]

Maybe say the stable release comes with more than 8710 packages,
or it comes with more than 8710 packages (stable release).

Bug#271360: www.debian.org: 8710 packages

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor

$ lynx -dump http://www.debian.org/
 Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS: it comes with more
 than 8710 [46]packages

Hogwash. It's probably twice that many.
Use round figures unless you intend to update weekly.
Or say 'tens of thousands'.
$ dpkg -l \*|wc -l
21564
$ grep-available . --count
15343

Bug#265388: www.debian.org: don't need so deep pngs

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

$ wget http://www.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd-50.png
$ file openlogo-nd-50.png
openlogo-nd-50.png: PNG image data, 50 x 61, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced

Perhaps only 1-bit is all that is needed? Well, at least not all 8.
Same for some of the other graphics.
P.S. are .gif's cool these days? I see lots on your site.

Bug#177200: expiration times etc. for many of the very static graphics too short

[Dan Jacobson]

More examples:
The HTTP expiration times etc. for many of the very static graphics
are too wastefully short. E.g., http://www.debian.org/Pics/red-lowerright.png:
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:03:40 GMT
Cache-Control: max-age=86400
Expires: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:03:40 GMT
Last-Modified: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:09:42 GMT

Bug#177200: expiration times etc. for many of the very static graphics too short

[Dan Jacobson]

MJ I would suggest submitting a patch with your preferred settings,
MJ but I can't find the config file.

.htaccess file? The last time I patched one, I brought down my
website. You don't want me near your code.

mention sid somewhere on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/

[Dan Jacobson]

$ lynx -dump http://packages.debian.org/unstable/|grep -i sid
$
Perhaps mention it somewhere on that page even though it is mentioned
elsewhere.

Perhaps do it for other than sid too.

Bug#210160: www.debian.org: add headers to You've sent email to debian@debian.org. message

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-09-08
Severity: wishlist

Please add the complete original headers when you send
You've sent email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] messages, so we can figure
out what happened.

Indeed, I did not send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but perhaps info
triggered it.

I sent like this
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and got

Received: from master.debian.org (master.debian.org [146.82.138.7])
by linux3.cc.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA25CACF6
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Received: from debian by master.debian.org with local (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian))
id 19wDZO-0006yq-00; Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:24:06 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: is your /usr/share/info/dir in perfect shape?
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Precedence: junk
X-Visited: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/jidanni
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You've sent email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Unfortunately nobody will
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$Id: autoreply-debian,v 1.1 2003/08/12 19:20:36 joey Exp $

Your email is appended:
Gentlemen, the Info dir on my system is not in tip top shape, and may
not be also on yours.  Try this simple test for duplicate entries:
$ sort /usr/share/info/dir|uniq -d|fgrep \*
* patch: (diff)Invoking patch.  Apply a patch to a file.
* sdiff: (diff)Invoking sdiff.  Merge 2 files
* testsuite: (autoconf)testsuite Invocation.Running an Autotest test

So some packages are using install-info imperfectly.

Maybe instead of relying on perfect use of install-info by each
package, perhaps just remaking /usr/share/info/dir from whatever info
files are on the system might be less error prone?

$ sed -n 's/:.*//p' dir|sort|uniq -d
* Gnus
* Info
* Message
* patch
* sdiff
* testsuite
* true
* tty
* uname
* users
* who
* whoami
* yes

for me reveals that I need to do
$ install-info --remove /usr/share/info/sh-utils.info
as apparently that wasn't done when those tools were moved to a
different package.  Same with fileutils...

Bug#207094: www.debian.org: Mirror Checker page needs explanation

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-25
Severity: wishlist

http://mirror.debian.org/status.html needs a sentence at top telling
what the data means below.  For instance, the Legend eventually found
way at the bottom of the file doesn't explain what the 1, 2 ... stuff
are here:
 * 1...mirror.averse.net [L] [rsync bad]
 * 1...ftp.au.debian.org [P] [trace: 7]
 * 2...ftp.bme.hu [L] [trace: 7]
 * 2...zagloba.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl [L] [trace: 7]

You might want to add a link href=#legend too.

P.S.: HostPattern: .
is seen at the bottom of the page... a mystery.

Bug#207095: www.debian.org: no dates from package search

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-25
Severity: wishlist

Gentlemen, consider users looking for info on say lynx.
http://packages.debian.org/lynx leads to
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/lynx.html leads to
Download Page for lynx_2.8.4.1b-5_i386.deb on Intel x86 machines
leads to
http://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.4.1b-5_i386.deb

But nowhere does the user see one speck of date information for this
package, even down to the final click for a .deb.

http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages2.pl?keywords=lynxsearchon=namesversion=allrelease=all
(i.e. http://packages.debian.org/lynx) tells us byte size to the tenth
of a kilobyte, etc. but totally doesn't give any freshness dating
information.

Sure, there, yes, are ways for the user to find date information, but
you could consider pro-actively providing it.

Bug#202236: www.debian.org: do @packages messages bounce?

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-21
Severity: normal

Whenever I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get no
response.

I recall these were supposed to be forwarded to the owner of
some_package.

Maybe they just don't reply, but probably, just like bugs.debian.org,
you have set it up so that if there is any mail trouble, all bounces
are squashed ?

Sorry I send this query as a bug, but that's the only surefire way I know.

Bug#198854: www.debian.org: predictable link to a package's changelog

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-26
Severity: wishlist

It is unfortunate, that there is no easy access to the changelog, I know of,
but all other infos can be seen on the package tracking system:

http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/adns.html

This also includes the change notification mails. For me, this is good
enough, but I could understand when people want to have this offline
available.

I want to see the changelog before deciding if I need to get a fresh
copy of some giant package

You can get the changelog with qa.debian.org:
1) go to http://packages.debian.org/foo
2) go to link 'developer information for foo'
3) go to link Accepted foo 17.42-143 (i386 source)

I want a predictable  URL to get a package's changelog
One that does not need user interaction to figure out the file name.

One that could be fetched with wwwoffle in one shot.

And here is the last changelogs entry

Alternatively, you can replace step 1-2) with 
1-2) go to link http://packages.qa.debian.org/foo


Just subscribe to debian-devel-changes. You can get all the necessary
information from there.

too much for offline modem users

Debian a male-dominated organization

[Dan Jacobson]

Gentlemen, I just had a look at
http://www.debian.org/intro/organization and realized Debian is a
male-dominated organization, not that I have any ideas how to fix that
or if it should be fixed.  Must reflect a general phenomenon.  OK,
never mind.
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Bug#193106: bugs.debian.org: what defaults on /Bugs page?

[Dan Jacobson]

 However, the results produced act like all the Include severity
 boxes were checked.  So why aren't they initially checked when the
 user encounters them?

C Because it would produce a most vomitously long URL. Not checking any of
C the include/exclude boxes is a useful edge case, and is treated the same
C way as checking all the include boxes.

See, there is hidden logic on that page that is not clear from the
face of it.  Just like I said.

So I hope somehow the page can be redone so even the dumbest user, me,
is clear about what is going on.

Maybe have an additional box checked: all.
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Bug#193106: bugs.debian.org: what defaults on /Bugs page?

[Dan Jacobson]

 On http://www.debian.org/Bugs/:
 Additional settings (which you may leave untouched, the defaults will work):

 * Include severity: critical grave serious important normal minor wishlist 
 fixed
 * Exclude severity: critical grave serious important normal minor wishlist 
 fixed

 Things that should be addressed by the wording on that page:
 What defaults?

C Isn't it clear that the initial state of all the radio buttons and
C checkboxes shows you the defaults? I thought it was (after all, it has
C to be that way or the form submission will do something other than the
C default).

Well, of the two lines I quoted, none of the boxes are checked.
However, the results produced act like all the Include severity
boxes were checked.  So why aren't they initially checked when the
user encounters them?

spam not caught

[Dan Jacobson]

Maybe this is easy to catch spam?

---BeginMessage---

Please Wait While The Email Loads...

Remove
---End Message---


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Bug#185835: www.debian.org: mention again reading maillists via usenet and gmane

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-03-22
Severity: wishlist

Yes, I know you mention reading via usenet and gmane on other pages,
but you don't mention it on http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
and you should.

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Architecture: i386
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Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Re: making mboxes available

[Dan Jacobson]

Sorry, I'm not following the conversation, but gmane.org is a nice
place to read the debian groups for us modemed.
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Bug#183585: www.debian.org: logo expires today

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-03-06
Severity: minor

$ wwwoffle -O http://www.debian.org/Pics/debian.jpg
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:43:07 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2
Cache-Control: max-age=604800
Expires: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:43:07 GMT

I'm sorry I don't know HTTP, but are you sure you want to expire this
unchanging item now?

OK, OK, you add

Last-Modified: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:49:33 GMT
ETag: 6d2dff-20fa-387b7b3d
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Via: 1.0 210.200.105.241_CF12
Content-Length: 8442
Connection: close
Proxy-Connection: close

but why do the big boys do
$ wwwoffle -O http://www.google.com/images/res0.gif|grep -a Expi
Expires: Sun, 17 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT
-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.20-k7 #1 Tue Jan 14 00:29:06 EST 2003 i686
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Bug#182659: www.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ needs to say how to adopt

[Dan Jacobson]

 J == Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

J On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 05:02:07AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
 Package: www.debian.org
 Version: unavailable; reported 2003-02-27
 Severity: wishlist
 
 http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ should have a link 
 
 Ok, I want to adopt a package. a href=../How do I become a
 developer/a?
 
 etc. near the top.

J Why would we have to assume that people don't understand anything about
J how Debian development works if they are watching a web page aimed at
J developers (and that has devel in the address, too)?

you see i told a potential volunteer to see that page about a package
very suitable for him, and he said 'great, how can i get on board to
help out?'

so i had to refer him to the parent page myself, as that question is
not answered there.

Bug#182659: www.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ needs to say how to adopt

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-02-27
Severity: wishlist

http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ should have a link 

   Ok, I want to adopt a package. a href=../How do I become a
   developer/a?

etc. near the top.
-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
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Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Bug#177669: www.debian.org: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages.html too big

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-01-21
Severity: wishlist

http://packages.debian.org/*/allpackages.html is over 1 meg.
please put warnings on their parent pages.

BTW, tidy(1) shows tons of: Warning: font attribute color has invalid value 
FF


also there, please make a link:
list of packages added, updated within the last week, month.


BTW, what is BODY doing deep in 
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages.html
dta href=web/libroxen-sexybody.htmllibroxen-sexybody/a 0.2-7
ddBODY tag replacement module for the Roxen Challenger web server
dta href=web/libroxen-simplenews.htmllibroxen-simplenews/a 2.7-7



some mostly offline folks might just want a quick diet checklist of
current package numbers,

3dwm-clock 0.3.1-11
3dwm-csgclient 0.3.1-11
3dwm-geoclient 0.3.1-11
3dwm-pickclient 0.3.1-11
3dwm-server 0.3.1-11
3dwm-texclient 0.3.1-11

one could use this makefile
B=http://packages.debian.org/unstable/allpackages.html
t=/tmp/f
$t:
lynx -dump -nolist $B|sed -n '/^   [^ ]/s/...//p'|sed 
'1{/About/d;};/^$$/,$$d'  $@
asv: $t #see what is newer than last time I got Packages.gz
apt-show-versions -u |sed 's#/.* # #'|sort|join - $t|awk '$$2!=$$3'

or better yet, you could put a $t.gz on the site... less than 100K
instead of the 1000 K download... may be better ways.

-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.19-k7 #1 Sun Oct 6 20:29:56 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Bug#177200: www.debian.org: images expire too fast?

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-01-18
Severity: minor

Isn't expiring static things like this so fast wasteful of bandwidth?

$ wwwoffle -O http://www.debian.org/Pics/red-upperright.png|s
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:43:54 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2
Cache-Control: max-age=86400
Expires: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:43:54 GMT
Last-Modified: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:09:42 GMT
ETag: 6d2e70-158-3a12fb96
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Type: image/png
Content-Length: 344
Connection: close
Proxy-Connection: close
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Bug#176396: www.debian.org: add simple explanation to the top of http://incoming.debian.org/

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-01-12
Severity: minor

Add a simple explanation to the top of http://incoming.debian.org/
please, so us folks who browsed in from other places know what it is
all about.

-- System Information:
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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.19-k7 #1 Sun Oct 6 20:29:56 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Debian current weekly news should use indirect link

[Dan Jacobson]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html as well.

Gentlemen, looking at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ we see the
latest issue can always be found at
http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/

However, for us caching proxy users of e.g. wwwoffle, it is a shame
that there is no level of indirection introduced, thus overwriting the
file each week so we can't read old issues offline without having
first explicitly gotten
e.g. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/43/

The unchanging current URL is essential for us to use wwwoffle's
monitor feature to fetch at regular intervals, but a level of
indirection should be introduced like

$ wwwoffle -O http://lwn.net/current/|s
HTTP/1.0 302 Found
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:28:20 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.22 ...
location: http://lwn.net/Articles/11624/

 pYour browser should have redirected you to a 
href=http://lwn.net/Articles/11624/;

P.S. that was the last time i tried there, because now they are
non-free, and mom told me not to frequent non-free things.
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Bug#168629: www.debian.org: pages need a h1 or any header at top, etc.

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A; reported 2002-11-11
Severity: minor

Please add a H1 header and a little introduction _at the top_ to
http://buildd.debian.org/stats/

Same with
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/stable_probs.html
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/testing_probs.html
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/unstable_probs.html
while you're at it.

Also search for all files that link to the frustrating
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/
and eliminate the middleman.

I'm reading http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives and theirs a
link to http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-pools
which is in another file instead of just linking to the bottom of this
current file!  Plenty more of these here too.

5.3.2 Where do these codenames come from? should have a link to the
sid story...

On http://www.debian.org/ top page, the word woody should be mentioned
each time 3.0 appears, perhaps.

On http://www.debian.org/releases/:
dtunstable/dt
This is the third item in DL list on this page.  However, you have not
linked it like the other two!!
The ``unstable'' distribution is called sid.
On this page mention that this doesn't change.

http://www.debian.org/devel/testing
Debian ``testing'' distribution
those quotes look real bad in HTML, are you sure you still want to use
them and not others?  Same for many other pages.


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Architecture: i386
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Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5

Bug#160589: www.debian.org: put Taiwan on http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: www.debian.org
Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-10
Severity: minor

Namely, elevate ftp://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/ from being only on
http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors to also be on
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl

-- System Information
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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.18-k7 #1 Sun Apr 14 13:19:11 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.Big5, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.Big5