O: wml
Hi, wml has a new upstream for several months, but I did not manage to dedicate time to work on it for Debian. It is unlikely that this will change soon, so I will orphan it (and all related packages). If someone on this list is interested, please drop me a note, otherwise I will orphan it in few days. Thanks. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML mistake in webpage
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 08:02:42PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 17 August 2006 18:44, Leen Besselink wrote: lia name=n1These changes are documented in the development version of the a href=http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/;installation guide/a./li /ol Actually, it is not nested. The original has: lia name=n1/These changes ... I have changed this to: lia name=n1 /These changes ... I expect this will fix it when the pages are next generated. No, wml will still remove the slash, you have to write a name=n1/a Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Commiting the French DWN 2006/31
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 06:24:26PM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: Hello, Could someone with write access to the CVS please commit the attached new file for webwml/french/News/weekly/2006/31/index.wml with the following log message: Initial translation [Frédéric Bothamy] Proofreading [Stéphane Blondon, Florentin Duneau, Simon Paillard] Done, thanks. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Commit some french translations of news
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 12:39:12AM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: Hi, Can someone commit the attached files in webwml/french/News/2006 with the following log message : Initial translation [Simon Paillard] Proofreading [Stephane Blondon, Gregory Colpart, Florentin Duneau, Philippe Piette, ciol] Done, thanks. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mass editing and xhtml vs. HTML
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 03:56:40PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! As I have seen that a few pages use xhtml closing tags, a note about editing those files with vi and making mass changes (all languages for one page at the same time). for example I want to take the br tag. Sometimes it is necessary to replace it by somehting like li, dd or whatever to make a page which is not layouted by br, $nbsp; and others. Replacing something like tag and /tag is quite easy and quick using cw (change word) in vi(m). But if there are files in between using tag/ this will not work. Time to edit files increases a lot. You might think: heh, she can use just :1,$s/old/new/g [...] It might also be: What is she writing about? ;) Please give examples, I did not understand your point at all. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mass editing and xhtml vs. HTML
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 08:27:53PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] This still works on multiple files, if edited with */devel/debian- instealler/errata.wml eg. one action forward through all files, next backwords, next forward... until done. build, review and validate, commit. This is quite fast and I edited a lot of files (2000?, more?) this way always having to spend more time, if these br / and other xhtml tags where there in one of the files. I think all languages should have the same markup beside a few language specific things. You are trying to update translations along with original pages. This is very nice, so if some languages make this task harder, you should not worry and let translators update their pages. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tidy-warnings, here name attributes
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:43:26PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! With now all pages valid HTML it might be time to get back to the tidy warnings. Most of them are in devel/people.$lang.html. I did not find any reference to them, so it migth be no problem to change the content of the attribute to something valid (in this case eliminating the whitespaces). Does anybody know, if the anchors are referenced from somewhere outside? They would still point to the page but not to the name. I doubt so, but in any case this can be fixed afterwards. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Removal of http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/templates/
Hi, mostly all packages have switched to po-debconf, so I plan removing all pages under http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/templates/ next week, translating packages listed there is a waste of time. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/ popularity sorting?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 05:08:59AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 11:04:38PM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:13:22PM +0100, Claus Hindsgaul wrote: Hi, One year ago I started a thread (1) suggesting that the po file lists in the translation statistics should be sorted after popularity statistics. This would help translators prioritize their work. At that time Denis Barbier lacked a sorted list of SOURCE packages from the popularity contest. Such a list was later added by request from Martin Quinson and has been available at popcon.debian.org for some time now. I hope the idea has not been dropped nor forgotten - and if a day eventually will have 25 hours somebody will have the time and pleasure to implement it :-) Thanks for the reminder, Claus ;) It should happen soon now. Webmasters, please apply this patch against cron/lessoften so that packages can be sorted according to their popcon score. Done. Thanks Matt. Claus, everything is now in place and pages will be updated soon. I changed the text on these pages to explain this new sorting order, but packages will be really sorted when the popcon file is dowloaded by the lessoften script, which is run only once a day. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/ popularity sorting?
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:13:22PM +0100, Claus Hindsgaul wrote:
Hi,
One year ago I started a thread (1) suggesting that the po file lists in
the translation statistics should be sorted after popularity statistics.
This would help translators prioritize their work.
At that time Denis Barbier lacked a sorted list of SOURCE packages from
the popularity contest. Such a list was later added by request from
Martin Quinson and has been available at popcon.debian.org for some time
now.
I hope the idea has not been dropped nor forgotten - and if a day
eventually will have 25 hours somebody will have the time and pleasure
to implement it :-)
Thanks for the reminder, Claus ;)
It should happen soon now. Webmasters, please apply this patch against
cron/lessoften so that packages can be sorted according to their popcon
score. When this is done, I will change the text on these pages and will
patch Makefiles.
Thanks.
Denis
--- lessoften.orig 2006-01-24 22:45:10.0 +0100
+++ lessoften 2006-01-24 22:49:50.0 +0100
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@
wget -q -N http://people.debian.org/~pmachard/l10n/material/data/unstable.gz
|| { echo couldn't fetch data/unstable! $crondir/lessoften.log; exit 1; }
gunzip -c -f unstable.gz unstable.gluck
ln -sf $crondir/datafiles/unstable.gluck
$webtopdir/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/unstable.gluck
+wget -q -N http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst ln -sf
$crondir/datafiles/by_inst
$webtopdir/webwml/english/international/l10n/data/popcon
# cleanup
rm -f unstable.gz
Re: Splitting up debian.css for the web pages and include quotes
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 11:43:37AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote:
Am 13.12.2005 um 10:30 schrieb Denis Barbier:
Please have a look at the current debian.css, French quotes have been
fixed this way. Nested quotation marks for French look also wrong to
me, I will send a message to our mailing list to discuss it.
Can you please ask then to verify, that there are really browsers not
showing the space between quotation mark and text in the test page?
All of my browsers have no difficulties with it.
Thanks for having fixed French quotes. We discussed nested quotes
on our mailing list, and for now our preferred solution is:
div[lang=fr] q:before { content: \00AB\00A0; }
div[lang=fr] q:after { content: \00A0\00BB; }
div[lang=fr] q q:before { content: \201C; }
div[lang=fr] q q:after { content: \201D; }
Denis
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Re: Splitting up debian.css for the web pages and include quotes
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 12:20:36AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] For the quotes, I have done a completely new page on my web-site: http://www.witch.westfalen.de/csstest/quotes/quotes.html This page contains all quotation marks, I have found somewhere (mostly Wikipedia) for now. To do that, I had to remove the language from html header and I hope, that works for everyone. German l10n group has already decided, which quotation mark alternative to take in a first step. For the other languages, I will add the first alternative, if there are more possibilities and you have no objections. Found in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Angled_quotation_marks_in_various_European_languages Some languages, such as French or Italian, use angle quotation marks (chevrons or guillemets or duck-foot quotes) and add a quarter-em space (officially) (U+2005, #8197;) within the quotes. However, virtually all countries that have this rule now use the non-breaking space, because the difference between a non-breaking space and a four-per-em is virtually imperceptible, and the quarter-em is virtually always omitted in non-Unicode fonts. Even more commonly, people just put a normal space between the quotation marks because the non-break is not accessible through their keyboard layout. [Note: full-width non-breaking spaces have been used in examples for technical reasons] Please have a look at the current debian.css, French quotes have been fixed this way. Nested quotation marks for French look also wrong to me, I will send a message to our mailing list to discuss it. Anyway I do not understand why you spend time on finding those quotation marks for all languages; this is translators' job, simply put debian.css files under their directory and they will take care of it. Thanks. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Splitting up debian.css for the web pages and include quotes
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 11:43:37AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Please have a look at the current debian.css, French quotes have been fixed this way. Nested quotation marks for French look also wrong to me, I will send a message to our mailing list to discuss it. Can you please ask then to verify, that there are really browsers not showing the space between quotation mark and text in the test page? All of my browsers have no difficulties with it. As explained in the link I posted, this is also a font issue. See http://people.debian.org/~barbier/tmp/ff.png Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Splitting up debian.css for the web pages and include quotes
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 11:54:55AM +0100, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: I have done some work on X keyboards, I did the main stuff for da, sv, no fi keyboards. We could ensure that the characters needed are available easily on each respecitve national keyboard. I am also involved in ISO keyboard standardisation (SC35/WG1) and via that channel I got the info that the EU are asking for a specific set of characters to be available for inputting for all public service desks in the EU. I would like to look into that. Also, I am involved in a new standard for describing keyboards. I would like to have some machine parsable format, probably in XML, and then with conversion tools to X and others. Could somebody help me with writing such a standards spec? Hi, xkb at listserv.bat.ru is a mailing list dedicated to XKB implementations, your message will surely get some attention there. Archives are available at http://listserv.bat.ru/xkb/List.html Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: get_recent_list and future dsa-1xxx
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 07:28:13AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:00:30PM +0100, Thomas Huriaux wrote: Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] (21/11/2005): On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 04:08:03PM +0100, Thomas Huriaux wrote: In a few months, the DSAs will have four digits. With the current sorting method (lexically), we will have the following sorting scheme: dsa-1000 dsa-1001 dsa-998 dsa-999 Can somebody confirm that there is no problem if I apply the attached patch? (it sorts numerically instead of lexically). In my quick testing, dsa-1001 = dsa-999 returns 0, not 1. Doesn't this cause your patch to break? Indeed, it does not give at all the expected results (I don't know exactly why I got what I wanted the first time I tried). Please have a look at the attached patch, it seems to work better but it is a little bit hackish. It's OK with me if it works, though I'd guess one of the Perl experts could come up with a more elegant solution. I talked to Thomas on IRC, and our conclusion was that this patch does its job without breaking other usage of get_recent_list. We tried to find a better one without success. So it should indeed be committed, and other people can afterwards rewrite it if they want. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quote signs in debian css - solution for all languages in sight
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:58:23PM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Seems I have found something working with all browsers for the quotes. I am preparing example pages and will tell you when they are online on my website. Nested quotes will be supported and quotes follow the language of the page. I had another look at specs and it seems to me that these instances of q tags are wrong and should be replaced by cite. If you look at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ source HTML, this is indeed how they refer to books. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quote signs in debian css - solution for all languages in sight
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 01:36:59PM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote: look at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ source HTML, this is indeed how they refer to books. cite is the source of a quotation/quote block. So, if you are citing from a book, the source goes into cite tag, but not the citation. I have thought over the problem with book titles mentioned in the text without quoting them. There seems to be no real good solution. If you write mr Smith presented his new book Go To Nirvana the book title really is no cite (source of a quotation), but the authos nam may be. Here the book title itself may be a quotation while Live is nothing, says Mr Smith in his new book Go To Nirvana Mr Smith and the book title are source of the quotation and can go to cite. As said in my previous mail, http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ contains sentences similar to mr Smith presented his new book citeGo To Nirvana/cite This point of few is also presented in browser behaviour. Cite never is surrounde by quotes while mentioning a book title in a text normally means setting it in quotes. Right, and translator teams can then choose how to render it according to national typographic rules. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invalid HTML-Tags
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:39:55AM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote: But if you really want me to add optional ending tags, always, why walking through the tree, I must say: I am not willingly to be an edidor slave. I thought that XHTML Strict was your target, and HTML 4.01 Strict only a milestone, hence my mail about these optional ending tags. Sorry for the confusion. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invalid HTML-Tags
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:38:43AM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote:
The solution for the quotes is already found and seems to work in
nealy all browsers.
q:lang(fr), q:lang(de) {
quotes: '«' '»' ;
}
Is there a way to let debian.css include debian-fr.css when language
is set to fr?
IMO it is always better to have seperate language dependent content.
Please note also that if non-ASCII characters are added to debian.css,
they must be UTF-8 encoded (so that text can be added for any language),
and charset=UTF-8 attribute must be added to link tags. I did not
check whether it works, though.
Denis
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Re: Invalid HTML-Tags
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 08:43:35PM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote: Beside that, It cannot really be a problem having some wrong quotes on old pages for some weeks until a soulution is found (may be the solution is filing bugs against browsers representing quotes wrong). I fail to see why you absolutely need to modify those 12 files, this is a very minor issue compared with all the missing end tags. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#325190: www.debian.org: Patches for HTML 4 strict
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 07:45:26PM +0200, Jutta Wrage wrote:
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: normal
Tags: patch
Hi!
The set of patches applied to this mail make 17163 pages validationg with
HTML strict. A full build (without chinese, which does not build on
PPC) can be seen at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww2/.
Hi Jutta,
Can you please enable content negociation? When following links, eg
to the social contract, a 404 error is returned.
[...]
If you find an issue with the patches, please do not hesitate to
contact me, before applying the patches.
I would also like to fix xhtml issues in templates files, so I will
take this opportunity to commit both your changes and mine within
a couple of days, unless of course someone already commit your patch
or has objections.
--- english/debian.css15 Aug 2005 17:59:18 - 1.29
+++ english/debian.css26 Aug 2005 16:53:31 -
@@ -43,19 +43,21 @@
[...]
#pagewidth {
- width: 100%;
+ width:100%;
text-align: left;
}
/* now the header*/
#header {
margin-left: -3px;
- width: 100%;
+ width:100%;
Are these changes really mandatary? I prefer with spaces.
Denis
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Re: help fixing XHTML pages
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 04:42:46PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Monday 22 August 2005 13:04, Tommi Vainikainen wrote: These files called templates you will find from webwml/english/template/debian directory. You probably need to adjust those files to use XHTML instead of what current HTML 4.01 Transitional, and then go trough every page and check with XHTML validator that those are really valid XHTML. Would it be useful to do this in a branch first and make a build result available on a separate website so people can test the result before implementing it on www.d.o? Not necessarily, this can be done gradually. E.g. you can add -D DOCTYPE=xhtml -W2,--expansion=0 to a .wmlrc file into any directory, and all files under this directory will be built with XHTML doctype. The problem is that compilation will fail for most files, because tags have to be properly closed. So the first step is to fix english/template/debian/*.wml files, then test XHTML output on a small directory. But again, XHTML generation will fail if tags are not properly nested, so this is a very invasive change and I am not sure that it is worth. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/templates/ does not list Romanian
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 06:41:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 17:18, Eddy Petrisor wrote:
I have just observed that http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/templates/
does not list Romanian with Debconf templates.
There are just a few, but would be nice to have a progress of the
debconf translation in Romanian.
The funny thing is that the page with details is still there:
http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/templates/ro
But it was last generated on December 24th, 2002.
Yes, since this date, there are no more Romanian translations with old
templates style. Usually HTML pages without sources are deleted by the
remove_stale.pl script, but it is instructed to not touch files under
/intl/l10n/.
Normally files under /intl/l10n/{templates,po,po-debconf}/ are generated
daily, so they could safely be removed if they are more than a month
old, I should have then enough time to fix these pages when they break.
Webmasters, could you please consider adding this oneliner to the
lessoften script? (After testing that it works ;))
find $webdir/international/l10n/{templates,po,po-debconf}/ -type f -mtime 30
-exec rm -f {} \;
Denis
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Re: Bug#307978: Update 'sarge' and 'releases' web pages
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 02:25:39AM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: * Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-08 23:58] : On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 08:08:30PM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: Could you please fix the webwml/english/releases/potato/index.wml file? It seems that you changed this file along the sarge/index.wml and the changes include diff conflicts. Done, sorry for the mess. Thanks, I wonder if there is a way to update translation-check for translation files without actually changing the english file (since it has already been changed) using smart_change.pl... Hi Frédéric, the -p flag was introduced for this purpose, but it won't work if the English file had been committed more than once. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by thuriaux: webwml/french Bugs/server-control.wml News/199 ...
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:01:37PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:48:26AM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: Log message: Fix spelling: assignement, Aix-la-chapelle, automagiquement, discution, Andalucia, Pour automagiquement, je pense que c'est fait exprès pour traduire automagically, qui est un jeu de mots en faisant la contraction de automatically et magically. Ça marche aussi en français ;) Sorry, wrong list, it was for debian-l10n-french. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch for stattrans.pl
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 04:32:45PM +0200, Luca Monducci wrote: Hello, please apply this trivial patch to fix the HTML in generated pages. Committed, thanks. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: various fixes for stattrans.pl
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 11:10:40AM +0200, Thomas Huriaux wrote:
Hi,
This patch fixes a few things in stattrans.pl:
* fix a bug when the original no longer exists (the
elsif ( !$version $transversion) was never true
* warn when translation-check version is higher than the original
file version
* if both english and $lang files have no translation-check header,
assume that english is the original (instead of $lang)
Can somebody check this patch and tell me if each change is ok before
I commit it?
Your changes look fine, I have only minor comments below:
[...]
$version{$lang/$file} = $altcvs-revision($f);
if (!$transcheck-revision()) {
- $original{english/$file} = $lang;
- $transversion{english/$file} ||= 1.1;
+ $transcheckenglish = Webwml::TransCheck-new(english/$file);
+ if (!$transcheckenglish-revision() and (-e english/$file)) {
+ $transversion{$lang/$file} = 1.1;
+ $original{$lang/$file} = english;
+ } else {
+ $original{english/$file} = $lang;
+ $transversion{english/$file} ||= 1.1;
+ }
English files are processed first, so there is IMO no need to introduce
$transcheckenglish, you can instead try (not tested)
if (-e english/$file !defined($transversion{english/$file})) {
$transversion{$lang/$file} = 1.1;
$original{$lang/$file} = english;
} else {
$original{english/$file} = $lang;
$transversion{english/$file} ||= 1.1;
}
With both versions (yours and mine), $original{english/$file} is set if
english/$file does not exist, I do not know whether this causes trouble.
Denis
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Lock in webwml repo prevents site update
Hi, http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/cvs_update.log shows cvs server: Updating english/News/weekly/2005/14 cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/cvs/webwml/webwml/english/News/weekly/2005/14' (/cvs/webwml/webwml/english/News/weekly/2005/14/#cvs.lock): Permission denied cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/webwml/webwml/english/News/weekly/2005/14' cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Faulty l10n pages
On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 04:30:33PM +0300, Matti Pöllä wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, There seems to be something wrong with the localization pages at http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pot.en.html where only a small fraction of the packages are shown. The corrupted files on gluck have been regenerated, but synchronization takes some time; above pages will be fixed within a couple of days. Thanks for your report. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#302050: packages.debian.org: some new packages are not listed in DWN
Package: www.debian.org Severity: minor Hi, my belocs-locales-data package entered unstable too late for previous DWN, but it exited http://packages.debian.org/unstable/newpkg_main before the current one is published. As DWN are published on Tuesday, it would be nice if this page was not updated the same day. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#294825: www.debian.org: patches for removing table layout from devel/index.lang.html
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 09:07:39PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Package: www.debian.org Version: N/A; reported 2005-02-11 Severity: normal Tags: patch Hi! Last weekend I prepared patches to remove table layout from the devel index pages. Using css for building the cards will increase accessibility. Could someone apply the patches to the wml files in CVS? Here the patches for the changed index pages at http://www.debian.org/devel/: wget http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/diff/develindex.diff There are single patch files for each language, too. The css is already prepared for that pages, so there is not need to wait with patching the devel index pages until the new css are on all mirrors. I will commit this patch tomorrow if there is no objection. Thanks for your hard work, Jutta. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#290187: www.debian.org: packages.debian.org recently got uglier in non-CSS browsers
On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:23:48AM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 01:42:28AM -0500, Brian Sammon wrote: This change has happened in the past week or two, as far as I can tell; I look at packages.debian.org at least once or twice a week. When I look at a package info page with my non-CSS browser, where it used to display a graphical bullet color-coded to the type of dependency, now it just displays [dep] or [sug] or [rec]. This makes it take me longer to scan the page to determine which dependencies I am interested in. You can see this if you use the dillo browser. Has a decision been made to only support CSS browsers? In this case I wouldn't have cared to actually add the [dep], would I? ;) Seriously speaken it just didn't occur to me that one would think of that as really harder to scan (and for the non-CSS text browsers it doesn't makes a difference, anyway). But I see your point. What do you think about something like http://packages.debian.net/unstable/graphics/scribus ? I replaced the [dep] string with the image and put the [dep] into the alt attribute. It doesn't look really nice because of the linebreak after the image but I only can change that with CSS. Please note also that the new layout is less Lynx-friendly because it adds vertical space. Entries are now in the form: ol li[dep] dldtpackage name/dtddpackage description/dd/dl/li ... /ol It may be replaced by dl dt[dep] package name/dtddpackage description/dd ... /dl where [dep] is rendered like now by an alt attribute or hidecss. This also applies for the download table, it is much longer than before and is pretty annoying. In order to be usable, rows and cols have to be swapped, i.e. display would look like ArchList of files SizeInstalled size alpha [list of files] 200 500 arm[list of files] 200 500 ... It is then readable with Lynx, but looks surely ugly with graphical browsers, so you may be reluctant to perform such a change. In this case, please at least move this table below Search for other versions of package so that we do not have to scroll down to read useful information, or move it to a dedicated 'download' page. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Notification about outdated translations by email doesn't work
On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 11:41:49PM +0100, Juraj Kubelka wrote: Hi! Can you help me? I think I'm not notified about changes in webwml by email. There are outdated pages: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/cs.html#outdated There is translator.db.pl file for Czech translations: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/czech/international/czech/translator.db.pl?rev=1.3cvsroot=webwmlcontent-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup There are no automatic notifications. Here are files derived from our (=French team) setup: * czech/international/czech/Makefile: you can commit it * cron-webwml-mail: this script has to be run daily on a machine with webwml checkout (at least english, czech and Perl directories, plus some scripts on top-level directory). Replace address_for_orphaned_pages by a valid address, and test this script: IIRC you can add -g flag and replace default address (i.e. after -m flag) with yours, you then receive all mails. Denis WMLBASE=../.. CUR_DIR=international/czech include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang check_trans.status: FORCE : [EMAIL PROTECTED] echo '# File automatically generated with the following command:' [EMAIL PROTECTED] echo '#../../../check_trans.pl -C ../../.. -t perl czech $@' [EMAIL PROTECTED] echo '# DO NOT EDIT!' [EMAIL PROTECTED] ../../../check_trans.pl -C ../../.. -t perl czech [EMAIL PROTECTED] if [ -f $@ ]; then \ cmp $@ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null 21 \ || mv [EMAIL PROTECTED] $@; \ else \ mv [EMAIL PROTECTED] $@; \ fi -rm -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null 21 .PHONY: FORCE #! /bin/sh -e # cron-webwml-mail: send notification mails to translators d1=`date +%d` d2=`date +%w` if [ x$d1 == x1 ] ; then freq=1; elif [ x$d2 == x5 ] ; then freq=2; else freq=3; fi cd webwml cvs -q update -P -d make -C czech/international/czech check_trans.status ./check_trans.pl -Q -q -m address_for_orphaned_pages -n $freq -c iso-8859-2 czech
Re: RSS on w.d.o/security/index.en.html
On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:54:55AM +0100, Peter Karlsson wrote: There is also something strange on http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long.en.rdf the description about dsa-614 is not identical to what is found in dsa-614.wml, and AFAICT it can not have been generated from any version of this file in CVS. What's wrong with it? Hmmm, I was confused by updating French translation of DSA 608. Anyway, it looks like I was not the only one being confused, dsa-614.wml should certainly be modified by: -pLuke infamous41md discoverd multiple vulnerabilities in xzgv, a +pinfamous41md discovered multiple vulnerabilities in xzgv, a Denis
RSS on w.d.o/security/index.en.html
Hi, http://www.debian.org/security/index.en.html looks pretty bad with lynx because RSS feeds have long titles, can they be shortened? There is also something strange on http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long.en.rdf the description about dsa-614 is not identical to what is found in dsa-614.wml, and AFAICT it can not have been generated from any version of this file in CVS. Denis
Re: html page from wml?
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 10:13:52PM +0100, Stanislav Valasek wrote: [...] But make gives me folloving error: make /home/valasek/Praca/webwml_all/slovak/Makefile:1: /home/valasek/Praca/webwml_all/slovak/Makefile: Too many open files make: *** No targets. Stop. Kernel value is set to: fs.file-max = 47435. Or for slovak directory: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Praca/webwml_all$ make slovak make: Nothing to be done for `slovak' Could you please point me to what I am doing wrong? Your webwml_all directory has to be renamed into webwml. Denis
Re: html page from wml?
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:17:53PM +0100, Stanislav Valasek wrote: Your webwml_all directory has to be renamed into webwml. Your webwml_all directory has to be renamed into webwml. Done but the same output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Downloads/webwml$ make slovak make: Nothing to be done for `slovak'. Did I use make with correct parameter and in correct directory? $ cd slovak $ make or $ make -C slovak Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 03:22:30AM +0100, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: Here are two remarks/complaints: - the CD pages don't validate any more Fixed now. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:30:39AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Am Montag, 13.12.04 um 23:26 Uhr schrieb Denis Barbier: http://www.debian.org/devel/index.en.html http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/devel/index.en.html There is on the main page an ugly white ruler with black on white settings. Otherwise it looks good. I meant white on black, sorry. The hr below the first paragraph? No, there is on the main page a vertical ruler between the left menu and main contents, here is a snapshot when viewing your page: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/tmp/moz.gif Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 02:26:08PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] Feel free to apply the patch and include the debian.css file. I can send it by mail, if you do not want to fetch it from the above url. I'll leave everything in place here. So if you want later changes, I can make them and send you a new patch. The css file should be handled carfully by those working on the server as changes may be harmful. D'oh, I did not notice that Frank committed your patch days ago. This is the problem with smooth upgrades, one does not notice when things change ;) As there have been no complaints so far, I guess that it is time to go further and now propose navigation/layout/accessibility changes to see if we can improve the current web site. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 05:42:08PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:32:32 +0100, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I build all English pages after applying Jutta's patch, available at http://people.debian.org/~barbier/juttaw/ Please test these pages, I am willing to commit this patch soon. I was wondering how the vote pages would show up (since they contain custom css), but unfortunately they do not seem to have been rendered. Not Found The requested URL /~barbier/juttaw/vote/ was not found on this server. Do the vote pages turn out OK? Including the stats for previous votes? These files are now generated, but Jutta's pages at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/vote/ should be more up-to-date. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 02:13:42PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] Can you please compare the next two URLS: http://www.debian.org/devel/index.en.html http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/devel/index.en.html There is on the main page an ugly white ruler with black on white settings. Otherwise it looks good. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 10:30:42PM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 02:13:42PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] Can you please compare the next two URLS: http://www.debian.org/devel/index.en.html http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/devel/index.en.html There is on the main page an ugly white ruler with black on white settings. Otherwise it looks good. I meant white on black, sorry. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
[Frank Lichtenheld] On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 02:51:17AM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:41:59PM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: And a new new version: I removed the style tag, it seems quite useless, and added a missing p in languages.wml. I applied the patch at my working copy and my general test pages are now build with it. See http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/ A few notes: http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/index.en.html: In my browser, the Devolpers' Corner in the navbar is wider than the actual navbar. This problem is really ugly for the German front page as I just had to realize (http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/index.de.html). I hesitate to apply the patch therefor... [Sorry for breaking this thread by using this webmail] IMO there are 2 distinct problems: CSS and HTML. If only CSS needs to be fixed, there is no reason to not apply the patch and fix debian.css later, this can be done very quickly. OTOH if HTML needs to be fixed, it is better to update the patch in order to minimize full builds. But I do not know just now to which category these problems belong, so I leave the decision to you ;) -- Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 01:36:45PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 02:51:17AM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:41:59PM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: And a new new version: I removed the style tag, it seems quite useless, and added a missing p in languages.wml. I applied the patch at my working copy and my general test pages are now build with it. See http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/ A few notes: http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/index.en.html: In my browser, the Devolpers' Corner in the navbar is wider than the actual navbar. This problem is really ugly for the German front page as I just had to realize (http://higgs.djpig.de/debian-www/index.de.html). I hesitate to apply the patch therefor... Leftcol width (and thus maincol left-margin) should certainly be language dependent. Can we deal with several CSS (and how?), or do we have to provide a whole CSS file per language? Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:22:29AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Am Freitag, 10.12.04 um 00:09 Uhr schrieb Denis Barbier: Leftcol width (and thus maincol left-margin) should certainly be language dependent. Can we deal with several CSS (and how?), or do we have to provide a whole CSS file per language? We fixed that a bit. But I'll search for a better solution. The width should be auto without the maincol moving down, if possible. You cannot set a width for leftcol which works for all languages, so I am pretty sure that we will need some debian.lang.css files when default values are not good. How are we supposed to load several CSS files? Denis
Re: Errors in WML build logs
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 07:13:33PM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 08:10:44PM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: there are several strange errors in WML build logs, it looks like some installed HTML files do not have the right permissions or owner. Could someone with access to www-master please have a look? I will check */searchtmpl/search.wml, there are other failures with these files. It seems also that latest builds did not occur, no idea why. In case it runs again, a backup of current WML log is available at http://people.debian.org/~barbier/wml_run.log.gz Has this been fixed? Yes, thanks. Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 11:11:24PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 02:26:08PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Thanks to those Developers looking into the pages (especially if they did not get worse for blind people)! Feel free to apply the patch and include the debian.css file. I can send it by mail, if you do not want to fetch it from the above url. Two short comments to the patch (also discussed on IRC): 1) There are some empty style/style in it, I think they can be removed, 2) The path to the debian.css should begin with $(HOME) or something like that, in the patch it is abolute. Here is an updated patch. It will surely be applied on Thursday, but before that I will duplicate current templates files so that nm.debian.org does not get affected by these changes. We did not have time yet to check that they do not break nm.d.o and this is not trivial. Martin, could you please check if these changes have no bad impact on nm.d.o? Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 07:54:58AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
Here is an updated patch.
Yep.
Denis
Index: basic.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/basic.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.78
diff -u -r1.78 basic.wml
--- basic.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:42 - 1.78
+++ basic.wml 5 Dec 2004 12:47:03 -
@@ -26,16 +26,22 @@
meta name=Generator content=WML $(WML_VERSION) /
meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
{#style#}
+link href=$(HOME)/debian.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css /
+style type=text/css media=all /
/head
-body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
+body
$(NONAVBAR:+# )#use wml::debian::navbar
-
+div id=outer
+div id=inner
{#body#}
-
+/div !-- end inner --
+div id=footer
{#pre_footer#}
#use wml::debian::footer NOCOMMENTS=$(NOCOMMENTS)
NOCOPYRIGHT=$(NOCOPYRIGHT)
{#post_footer#}
+/div !-- end footer --
+/div !-- end outer --
/body
:}
/html
Index: common_tags.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/common_tags.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 common_tags.wml
--- common_tags.wml 7 Nov 2003 16:04:14 - 1.8
+++ common_tags.wml 5 Dec 2004 12:47:04 -
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
define-tag hrlinehr noshade width=100% size=1 //define-tag
+define-tag hrlinehiddenhr class =hidecss //define-tag
define-tag urla href=%0%0/a/define-tag
define-tag newsurlurl %0 //define-tag
Index: consultant.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/consultant.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.54
diff -u -r1.54 consultant.wml
--- consultant.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:42 - 1.54
+++ consultant.wml 5 Dec 2004 12:47:04 -
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
{#check_trans#}
{#pre_footer#:
-hrline/
+hrlinehidden/
returnconsult/
Index: header.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/header.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -u -r1.10 header.wml
--- header.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:43 - 1.10
+++ header.wml 5 Dec 2004 12:47:06 -
@@ -22,5 +22,7 @@
meta name=Generator content=WML $(WML_VERSION) /
meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
{#style#}
+link href=$(HOME)/debian/debian.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css /
+style type=text/css media=all /
/head
-body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
+body
Index: languages.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/languages.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.131
diff -u -r1.131 languages.wml
--- languages.wml 1 Dec 2004 23:55:41 - 1.131
+++ languages.wml 5 Dec 2004 12:47:07 -
@@ -158,10 +158,10 @@
# printf STDERR join(', ', @used_langs);
if ($rel_dir eq $file eq sitemap) { # special case for the site map
-$str .= \n;
$str .= !--UdmComment--\n;
-$str .= q{gettextThis page is also available in the following
languages:/gettext}.\n;
-$str .= br /\n;
+$str .= p\n;
+$str .= q{gettextThis page is also available in the following
languages:/gettext}./p\n;
+$str .= p class=\navpara\\n;
foreach (keys %langs) {
if ($_ ne lc($cur_lang) or $cur_lang eq Chinese) {
$sorted_langs{$selflang{$_}} = $_;
@@ -171,21 +171,23 @@
$cur_lang = $sorted_langs{$_};
$tooltip = $trans{$CUR_ISO_LANG}{$cur_lang};
if ($cur_lang ne chinese) {
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}.html\ title=\$tooltip\
hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ rel=\alternate\$_;
-$str .= nbsp;($translit{$cur_lang}) if defined $translit{$cur_lang};
-$str .= /anbsp;\n;
+$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}.html\ title=\$tooltip\
hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ rel=\alternate\$_;
+$str .= nbsp;($translit{$cur_lang}) if defined $translit{$cur_lang};
+$str .= /a\n;
} else {
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-cn.html\ title=\$tooltip
(CNc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(#31616;)/anbsp;\n;
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-hk.html\ title=\$tooltip
(HKc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-HK\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-HK\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(HK)/anbsp;\n;
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-tw.html\ title=\$tooltip
(TWc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-TW\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-TW\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(#32321;)/anbsp;\n;
+$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-cn.html\ title=\$tooltip
(CNc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\
rel
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 01:27:17PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 07:54:58AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: Here is an updated patch. It will surely be applied on Thursday, but before that I will duplicate current templates files so that nm.debian.org does not get affected by these changes. We did not have time yet to check that they do not break nm.d.o and this is not trivial. Martin, could you please check if these changes have no bad impact on nm.d.o? Given the small userbase of nm.debian.org, can't we just apply it and fix problems then? Fine by me, Cc'ing Martin to ensure that he is aware. For me, it seems non-trivial to set up a good testing site (because of all the used databases). Since the webwml group has CVS write access to the newmaint files you or me surely could quickly fix any problems. In case of really grave problems we surely get a webmaster to do an instant rebuild, too. I just updated newmaint/Makefile to copy debian.css into $(TARGETDIR), we can apply the patch and see what is broken. Jutta can help fixing CSS bugs after 20:00 CET (IIRC, I did not log our IRC conversation), so this patch could be applied before 15:24 CET, but unfortunately I am at work then and can not commit. Jutta will be busy tomorrow, and we did not want to stress Joey today, can you (or someone else) please commit this patch on Thursday? Denis
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:00:20AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 07:54:58AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
Here is an updated patch.
Yep.
And a new new version: I removed the style tag, it seems quite
useless, and added a missing p in languages.wml.
Denis
Index: basic.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/basic.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.78
diff -u -r1.78 basic.wml
--- basic.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:42 - 1.78
+++ basic.wml 7 Dec 2004 21:31:59 -
@@ -26,16 +26,21 @@
meta name=Generator content=WML $(WML_VERSION) /
meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
{#style#}
+{#style#:link href=$(HOME)/debian.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css
/:#style#}
/head
-body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
+body
$(NONAVBAR:+# )#use wml::debian::navbar
-
+div id=outer
+div id=inner
{#body#}
-
+/div !-- end inner --
+div id=footer
{#pre_footer#}
#use wml::debian::footer NOCOMMENTS=$(NOCOMMENTS)
NOCOPYRIGHT=$(NOCOPYRIGHT)
{#post_footer#}
+/div !-- end footer --
+/div !-- end outer --
/body
:}
/html
Index: common_tags.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/common_tags.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 common_tags.wml
--- common_tags.wml 7 Nov 2003 16:04:14 - 1.8
+++ common_tags.wml 7 Dec 2004 21:31:59 -
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
define-tag hrlinehr noshade width=100% size=1 //define-tag
+define-tag hrlinehiddenhr class =hidecss //define-tag
define-tag urla href=%0%0/a/define-tag
define-tag newsurlurl %0 //define-tag
Index: consultant.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/consultant.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.54
diff -u -r1.54 consultant.wml
--- consultant.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:42 - 1.54
+++ consultant.wml 7 Dec 2004 21:32:00 -
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
{#check_trans#}
{#pre_footer#:
-hrline/
+hrlinehidden/
returnconsult/
Index: header.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/header.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -u -r1.10 header.wml
--- header.wml 2 Dec 2004 21:01:43 - 1.10
+++ header.wml 7 Dec 2004 21:32:00 -
@@ -22,5 +22,6 @@
meta name=Generator content=WML $(WML_VERSION) /
meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
{#style#}
+{#style#:link href=$(HOME)/debian.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css
/:#style#}
/head
-body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
+body
Index: languages.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/languages.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.131
diff -u -r1.131 languages.wml
--- languages.wml 1 Dec 2004 23:55:41 - 1.131
+++ languages.wml 7 Dec 2004 21:32:00 -
@@ -158,10 +158,10 @@
# printf STDERR join(', ', @used_langs);
if ($rel_dir eq $file eq sitemap) { # special case for the site map
-$str .= \n;
$str .= !--UdmComment--\n;
-$str .= q{gettextThis page is also available in the following
languages:/gettext}.\n;
-$str .= br /\n;
+$str .= p\n;
+$str .= q{gettextThis page is also available in the following
languages:/gettext}./p\n;
+$str .= p class=\navpara\\n;
foreach (keys %langs) {
if ($_ ne lc($cur_lang) or $cur_lang eq Chinese) {
$sorted_langs{$selflang{$_}} = $_;
@@ -171,21 +171,23 @@
$cur_lang = $sorted_langs{$_};
$tooltip = $trans{$CUR_ISO_LANG}{$cur_lang};
if ($cur_lang ne chinese) {
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}.html\ title=\$tooltip\
hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ rel=\alternate\$_;
+$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}.html\ title=\$tooltip\
hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}\ rel=\alternate\$_;
$str .= nbsp;($translit{$cur_lang}) if defined $translit{$cur_lang};
-$str .= /anbsp;\n;
+$str .= /a\n;
} else {
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-cn.html\ title=\$tooltip
(CNc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-CN\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(#31616;)/anbsp;\n;
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-hk.html\ title=\$tooltip
(HKc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-HK\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-HK\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(HK)/anbsp;\n;
-$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-tw.html\ title=\$tooltip
(TWc/)\ hreflang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-TW\ lang=\$langs{$cur_lang}-TW\
rel=\alternate\ style=\white-space: nowrap\$_(#32321;)/anbsp;\n;
+$str .= a href=\$file.$langs{$cur_lang}-cn.html\ title=\$tooltip
(CNc
Re: Patch debian-www with css
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 02:26:08PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Hi! After Denis' revision of the templates it was much easier to apply css to the debian website. The css file itself will go to subdir/english and is not included in the patch attached to this message. English language pages (I'll do two more today) built with patch attached will be found at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/ . I build all English pages after applying Jutta's patch, available at http://people.debian.org/~barbier/juttaw/ Please test these pages, I am willing to commit this patch soon. The only problems I can see are about debian.css: * I dislike centered text in the footer * Some text overlaps when using large fonts (e.g. in leftcol). Maybe debian.css should first be committed into CVS so that we can all work on fixing the reported issues? Beside replacing the menu tables by css style I created a new macro or what ever it is called for a hidden hrline, which is to be seen only in non-css browsers and replacing the box border for them. Another thing is the script creating the mail for Weekly News. I did not touch it, but made a centered H1 for lynx again. This is because Lynx does not center H1 any longer, if there are divs. Looks good, I will carefully check that makemail.pl works fine. Denis
Re: broken Polish translations
On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 01:12:37AM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: [...] are 'broken'. Instead of normal html page user can see only very few words about some mailing list or just a blank page... Blank page is the most common result for me. It is likely that www-master disk is full, someone needs to remove useless stuff, and then all empty files wrongly generated. But few people have access to this machine. Denis
Errors in WML build logs
Hi, there are several strange errors in WML build logs, it looks like some installed HTML files do not have the right permissions or owner. Could someone with access to www-master please have a look? I will check */searchtmpl/search.wml, there are other failures with these files. It seems also that latest builds did not occur, no idea why. In case it runs again, a backup of current WML log is available at http://people.debian.org/~barbier/wml_run.log.gz Denis
Re: Changes in templates
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:28:13AM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:58:18AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
They will help future patches written by Jutta Wrage, and I am going to
commit them in a day or two if there is no objection.
You may need to check your patch against the modifcations I did
today to footer.wml inventing a pre_footer diversion, too.
You are right, here are updated patches.
Denis
Index: english/template/debian/basic.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/basic.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.76
diff -u -r1.76 basic.wml
--- english/template/debian/basic.wml 15 Jan 2002 22:43:06 - 1.76
+++ english/template/debian/basic.wml 1 Dec 2004 23:24:17 -
@@ -4,9 +4,9 @@
#use wml::debian::common_translation
#use wml::debian::common_tags
-#use wml::debian::header
+#use wml::debian::header LINK=$(LINK:-FF) VLINK=$(VLINK:-800080)
ALINK=$(ALINK:-FF)
-#use wml::debian::navbar
+$(NONAVBAR:+# )#use wml::debian::navbar
{#body#}
Index: english/template/debian/cdimage.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/cdimage.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.58
diff -u -r1.58 cdimage.wml
--- english/template/debian/cdimage.wml 3 Nov 2004 13:27:58 - 1.58
+++ english/template/debian/cdimage.wml 1 Dec 2004 23:24:17 -
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@
# for now, use the English pictures
define-tag cdpiclangen/define-tag
-#use wml::debian::header LINK=#8c4939 VLINK=#45241c ALINK=#ff2600
+#use wml::debian::basic LINK=#8c4939 VLINK=#45241c ALINK=#ff2600
NONAVBAR=true NOCOMMENTS=true
table width=100% bgcolor=#ff border=0 cellspacing=0
cellpadding=0
tr
@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
{#check_trans#}
-{#body#}
+{#mainbody#}
hrline/
@@ -155,6 +155,4 @@
/table
:#post_footer#}
-#use wml::debian::footer NOCOMMENTS=true
-
-{#body#:
+{#mainbody#:
Index: english/template/debian/header.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/header.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 header.wml
--- english/template/debian/header.wml 1 Jun 2004 21:15:08 - 1.8
+++ english/template/debian/header.wml 1 Dec 2004 23:24:17 -
@@ -23,4 +23,4 @@
meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
{#style#}
/head
-body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
+body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK) vlink=$(VLINK)
alink=$(ALINK)
--- english/template/debian/basic.wml 2004-12-01 23:38:49.0 +0100
+++ english/template/debian/basic.wml 2004-12-01 23:50:34.0 +0100
@@ -4,12 +4,40 @@
#use wml::debian::common_translation
#use wml::debian::common_tags
-#use wml::debian::header LINK=$(LINK:-FF) VLINK=$(VLINK:-800080)
ALINK=$(ALINK:-FF)
+ifeq $(DOCTYPE) xhtml
+ !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN\
\http://ww w.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd\
+ !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN\
+/
+# not using [AR: dir=RTL:] because apparently the whole page was flipped
+# and this wasn't desirable for them
+html lang=$(CUR_ISO_LANG)[FA: dir=RTL:]
+{:
+head
+ meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=$(CHARSET) /
+ title$(BARETITLE:*Debian -- )$(title)/title
+ link rev=made href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /
+when $(MAINPAGE)
+ link rel=shortcut icon href=favicon.ico /
+ meta name=Keywords content=keywords/ /
+/when
+when $(SUMMARY)
+ meta name=Description content=$(SUMMARY) /
+/when
+ meta name=Generator content=WML $(WML_VERSION) /
+ meta name=Modified content=$(WML_GEN_ISOTIME) /
+{#style#}
+/head
+body text=#00 bgcolor=#FF link=$(LINK:-#FF)
vlink=$(VLINK:-#800080) alink=$(ALINK:-#FF)
$(NONAVBAR:+# )#use wml::debian::navbar
{#body#}
+{#pre_footer#}
#use wml::debian::footer NOCOMMENTS=$(NOCOMMENTS)
NOCOPYRIGHT=$(NOCOPYRIGHT)
+{#post_footer#}
+/body
+:}
+/html
{#body#:
--- english/template/debian/consultant.wml 2004-12-01 23:19:13.0
+0100
+++ english/template/debian/consultant.wml 2004-12-01 23:15:22.0
+0100
@@ -15,8 +15,7 @@
{#check_trans#}
-{#mainbody#}
-
+{#pre_footer#:
hrline/
returnconsult/
@@ -27,6 +26,4 @@
/
hrline/
-
-
-{#mainbody#:
+:#pre_footer#}
--- english/template/debian/ddp.wml 2004-12-01 23:19:13.0 +0100
+++ english/template/debian/ddp.wml 2004-12-01 23:15:22.0 +0100
@@ -12,8 +12,7 @@
h1$(title)/h1
/
-{#mainbody#}
-
+{#pre_footer#:
hrline/
ddpcommentsto/
@@ -28,5 +27,5 @@
/
hrline/
+:#pre_footer#}
-{#mainbody#:
--- english/template/debian/event.wml 2004-12-01 23:19:13.0 +0100
+++ english/template/debian/event.wml 2004-12-01 23:15:22.0 +0100
@@ -68,10 +68,12 @@
: } :
+{#pre_footer#:
hrline
Re: Changes in templates
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:05:48AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:28:13AM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:58:18AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: They will help future patches written by Jutta Wrage, and I am going to commit them in a day or two if there is no objection. You may need to check your patch against the modifcations I did today to footer.wml inventing a pre_footer diversion, too. You are right, here are updated patches. After checking that everything works fine, I committed these patches. Denis
Bug#283790: www.debian.org: /users page is getting longer and longer...
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:12:56AM +0100, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Wednesday 01 December 2004 20.48, Peter Karlsson wrote: Tobias Toedter: Your best bet is to enclose the headline with the a-tags, like this: a name=eduEducational institutions/a Even better (but incompatible with some stone-age browsers, not that we care much for Netscape 4 these days) is to use h2 id=eduEducational institutions/h2 and get rid of the a altogether. You can put an id attribute on any HTML tag. Seems not to be the style of www.debian.org's html - and there already is a 'a name=submissions id=submissions.../a' on this very page, which I haven't noticed previously. So I have kept that style. So, perhaps somebody will commit this one? Thanks, I have just committed a slightly different patch to take advantage of wml::debian::toc. Can this bug be closed? Denis
Re: dwww with css, was: Examples Debian WWW with css
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 02:13:08AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Hi Denis! Am Dienstag, 23.11.04 um 00:03 Uhr schrieb Denis Barbier: by CSS, all pages will take these changes into account. Of course some other files have also to be modified in the same directory, but it can be done later if we have no time just now. It looks like you already modified HTML pages, so I can grab your changes and propose a patch against this file, let me know where I can download your modified main page. I am not ready with the screenshots yet, if you need. English and German pages are at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/ If links are not working there, it is a result of missing extenstions and different server settings. http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/diff/ contains the diff against webml cvs. If you totally dislike it, let me know. If you find it mostly okay and want me to make changes, feel free to do. Thanks for your hard work, here are some comments. First, please use 'diff -u' to generate patches, this is the preferred format here. I do not know how you managed to have div tags well formed, dealing with all these includes files is terrific ;) But IMO you should avoid making it even worse by adding unbalanced tags. For instance one could write ifeq $(NOLANGUAGES) div id=languages hrline/ := languages() : /div / instead of adding opening tag in several files and closing tag in footer.wml. I am going to remove your alt=Debian Logo from navbar.wml because this text should be translatable and I would like to keep rendering unchanged for the moment. Same applies for your hidden 'Main Menu'. Another point is about the links you transformed into lists. It will be much easier to have your changes in if the layout is unchanged, we will have time later to propose enhancements and modify these links. Moreover this change breaks makemail.pl because this script assumes that ul tags are only used for package lists. Is the div id=outer necessary? It seems to confuse lynx which no more centers h1 text. To summarize, I am going to revise your patch as described above, revert your changes in languages.wml, but I need your help for navbar.wml, can you please send a new div id=navbar which is a sequence of links and has the same rendering as the current one with graphical browsers? We should then be able to provide a patch which removes most tables but without altering current rendering with text and graphical browsers. Then people can get used to CSS and your other changes can be processed. Denis
Re: Examples Debian WWW with css
On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 10:39:53PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: Am Sonntag, 21.11.04 um 17:39 Uhr schrieb Denis Barbier: The main navbar is currently not a list, why did you turn it into ul? If you keep it as is, it is certainly possible to have layout unmodified for text browsers. Forgot to answer that. According to accessibility guidelines it is a bad idea to put something, that is a list (for example a menu or selection) into one line. Blind persons see just words and phrases in a line. Again this is off-topic. If you want to promote CSS, let replace tables by CSS, then everybody can make his opinion, and if there are not much complaints, let's go further. Another Thing are the remaining tables, now that I have included the css for header and footer: According to accessibility guidelines, tables should _only_ be used where one has a real table in it and _not_ for layout boxes. But the main page and others are full of tables, which have only one sense: making a layout. Another thing is, that tables cannot be parsed as good as lists by other programs - not only by readers. [...] I am afraid that there is some misunderstanding. HTML pages are generated from templates, e.g. the main layout comes from http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/template/debian/mainpage.wml?cvsroot=webwml If you are able to replace tables and font commands in this file by CSS, all pages will take these changes into account. Of course some other files have also to be modified in the same directory, but it can be done later if we have no time just now. It looks like you already modified HTML pages, so I can grab your changes and propose a patch against this file, let me know where I can download your modified main page. Denis
Re: Examples Debian WWW with css
On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 02:56:33AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] My question again: Is it accaptable for you, what I have schown on the examples? One of the examples has the same look as current pages on graphical browsers, but will have _no_ lists in _one_ line for test browsers, which is assumed. The main navbar is currently not a list, why did you turn it into ul? If you keep it as is, it is certainly possible to have layout unmodified for text browsers. [...] In the cvs tree, I have found things about xhtml. That makes me ask: How will the move work, as br is valid in HTML transitional and strict but not in xhtml. So all tags without an endtag have to be replaced at once, when moving to xhtml. In addition the page delivery has not to be text/html only. Beside that IE has problems with correct mime type for xhtml (which I do not carte much) that gives a lot of problems. Is moving to xhtml insead of html strict such an advantage, that debian people do not care these problems? xhtml does not make a differenc to css usage as far as I know, though. Your last sentence is the key point; XHTML has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, so do not discuss this issue here and let us focus on CSS. HTML pages are generated from templates and some scripts, as described in http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ Modifying the generated HTML pages to replace tables by CSS is quite trivial, but as you notice the main problem is to have these changes accepted. If you have access to different browsers, you may put screenshots online to show that rendering is identical. Martin Schulze had a valid argument, some scripts are parsing HTML or source files. It is likely that they won't notice the move to CSS, and I will check later that this is indeed the case. Denis
Re: Examples Debian WWW with css
On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 09:10:59PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote: [...] I fetched the cvs tree and made local changes. Takes a while for a make on my local computer. As I am said there will be enough space on our server, I may put the results online. Currently I am making only those changes, that a necessary for the header and footer going css. It is not quite clean and If you like that, I would need some help to find out, where those things are to change, I did not find the source for. If there are scripts, which are not in the source tree and not run by make or make install, I'll surely will not notice, if they fail. Another thing is, that I am not sure, that I can built languages like Chinese on Debian stable. IMO building only English pages is fine. Some pages need data fetched from scripts found in http://cvs.debian.org/cron/?cvsroot=webwml Scripts under parts/ are run before every build. lessoften only daily. So do not be afraid if some pages do not build cleanly, and do not lose your time trying to fix them, it isn't worth. If someone wants to have a look later (not online yet): The pages will be at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/dwww/ screenshots will be at http://www.witch.westfalen.de/debian/screenshots/ hope I get something ready tonight. Great, please send here your patches against english/template/debian when they are ready. I reviewed all *.pl files under webwml, and english/News/weekly/makemail.pl is the only script parsing generated HTML files, so we have to check that your changes do not break this script. We must also check that these changes do not break nm.debian.org, it include files from the webwml tree. Denis
Re: Examples Debian WWW with css
On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 10:13:58PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Mike Hommey wrote: [...] 1. That's still available on http://glandium.org/debian/www.html though the url might change in the near future since i'm heavily reorganising my website. It seems I did that a year ago, according to the dates of security alerts. The list of translations is unacceptable long due to the vertical list in lynx. We could provide a language selection form to switch between available translated pages, similar to mirror selection. Denis
Re: Changes in Apache configuration on gluck broke the lessoften script
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 07:00:45AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 04:25:23PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: http://gluck.debian.org/~pmachard/l10n/material/data/unstable.gz returns a 404, and the lessoften script aborts (the error message should be redirected to the log file). This URL worked until recently (and works if gluck is replaced by people), so it looks like a change was performed in Apache configuration files. Can this be fixed, please? An alternative is to s/gluck/people/ in lessoften, but as files are generated on gluck it is IMO better to leave this URL point to gluck. And if the wget+gunzip commands could be performed, that would be great ;) debian-admin doesn't want users to serve content from anywhere but people.debian.org, so I've updated the lessoften script. Thanks Matt, Could you please also redirect the error message to the log file, as is done with other echo commands? Denis
Bug#281000: www.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/de is outdated
On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 01:30:44AM +0200, Erik Schanze wrote: Package: www.debian.org Severity: normal Hello, the site http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/de is outdated It was last generated on 31.10. with information from 24.10. Are there any activities on getting it daily up-to-date? What's the problem? Someone has to replace gluck.debian.org by people.debian.org in http://cvs.debian.org/cron/lessoften?cvsroot=webwml but few people have write access. In the meantime, you can go to http://people.debian.org/~barbier/intl/l10n/unstable/po-debconf/de Denis
Re: Changes in Apache configuration on gluck broke the lessoften script
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 04:25:23PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: Hi, http://gluck.debian.org/~pmachard/l10n/material/data/unstable.gz returns a 404, and the lessoften script aborts (the error message should be redirected to the log file). This URL worked until recently (and works if gluck is replaced by people), so it looks like a change was performed in Apache configuration files. Can this be fixed, please? An alternative is to s/gluck/people/ in lessoften, but as files are generated on gluck it is IMO better to leave this URL point to gluck. And if the wget+gunzip commands could be performed, that would be great ;) Webmasters, could you please fix the lessoften script? Thanks Denis
Re: Problems with Ukrainian translation
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 02:37:58PM +0300, Eugeniy Meshcheryakov wrote: Hello, Ukrainian translation was recently added. But there are some problemas with it. First one is that parts of pages that use .po files for translation are not translated. /index.uk.html is one such page. There is menu on left side of it. It should be translated and it is on my machine but not on the web site. Have anyone an idea why it is not translated? You can see pages generated on my machine at http://www.cluster.kiev.ua/eugen/ . Maybe there is no uk_UA.UTF-8 locale on www-master? Denis
Re: DMUP violated? / Proposal: devel/website/using_cvs.wml
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:19:49AM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello list! OK, this seems to have been quite an unfortunate start for me: as CVS allows people to work independently and in the scope they prefer I saw no reason not to commit my first changes in small blocks to make sure I solely change what I intented to change, i.e. I fixed a spelling error in the english page and bumped the translation-check header in all applicable translations using the fine smart_change.pl, then committed this small block. I knew about the debian-www-cvs mailing list but thought this is acceptable, after all the system is set up for many changes. Good job, thanks. Apparently it was not acceptable, and at least one person was / is seriously annoyed by the amount of similar messages coming in, so I propose the attached change to devel/website/using_cvs.wml. Unfortunately things have already happened and as the very same person has used the term abuse please check whether I have violated the DMUP [...] This is how people work together in Debian: they believe that they have to refer to documents instead of giving some rationale. So yes, changing all files with a single commit (or few ones) is much better, but this is not a big deal. Your patch is not very clear, at first reading I thought that you were telling to combine spelling mistakes with content changes, which is of course wrong. Denis
Re: improving http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:08:01PM +0200, Jens Nachtigall wrote: Hello, On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:52:50AM +0200, Jens Nachtigall wrote: == 4. After translating the po file you should send a copy of it at your a href=http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html || specific mailing listlanguage's mailing list/a for review (please spellcheck first). [...] Our French team works this way. Please don't. If you have a difficult po-file, or you have some questions, yes, do post it. But I would object to post *every* file. There are so many po-files out there. If you think this is needed, maybe an extra list can be created? I think the l10-lists should stay on discussion. If you want automatic peer-review, then get the po-part of DDTP reactived. OK, then that part should not be added. Maybe we could add a paragraph telling to get in touch with Debian l10n lists for this language, and apply methods defined by each translation team. Denis
Re: Committed files with wrong charset
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 11:02:41PM +0300, Tommi Vainikainen wrote: I accidentally committed two files, finnish/ports/index.wml and finnish/ports/freebsd/index.wml, with charset problems. Latter one was UTF-8 encoded, but should be ISO-8859-15. First one had some strange Emacs chars. My problem is that ...ports/freebsd$ cvs diff index.wml ...ports/freebsd$ recode utf8..latin9 index.wml ...ports/freebsd$ cvs diff index.wml So, cvs doesn't detect any changes after recoding file to correct charset. Therefore I cannnot commit correct version. What should I do? Remove file and add again? That's weird. A simpler solution is add an empty line at the end of your file. Denis
Bug#98811: Patch for Makefile.common [Was: Re: New page for devel/website]
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote:
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On Wednesday 25 August 2004 01:46, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:57:57PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote:
Thanks for your detailed analysis on the matter. Maybe I was a bit
unclear in my previous message. What I meant was that the patch should
fix newly generated files.
This is not possible, old pages may get rebuild for many reasons (like
a change under english/template/debian), There is no smooth transition.
Ah, OK. You're of course right; unless tested, we should stay on the safe
side.
In fact I was wrong, there is another way: set mp4h options in .wmlrc,
they will only affect files in the given directories (and below).
This way, changes can be tested on few files. And according to CVS
logs (about webwml/english/template/debian/basic.wml), this topic was
already discussed back in December 2001 ;)
List archives showed that this issue was discussed in #98811, Frank
Lichtenheld already worked on this topic and IIRC he filed bugs against
mp4h and wml which had been fixed.
And if nobody tries to generate XHTML files, bugs in wml and mp4h won't
get caught. So the best solution is to try your patch on a test
machine, and see how it works.
Right. I'll see how far I get. Would you still be the contact person about
bugs in wml and friends?
You can use #98811 for discussions, and file bugs against wml or mp4h if
needed.
I forgot the last step in my previous post: if everything runs fine, one
has also to check generated XHTML files with various browsers to check
how they are rendered.
I've been using XHTML for all of my recent projects. Usually, modern
browsers have no diffculties in displaying the pages. I guess that by the
time we perform the switch to XHTML, every browser will easily display
XHTML. Anyways, this doesn't excuse us from doing a thorough check.
Here are first results; I applied the attached patch, generated
devel/website/using_cvs.en.html and checked that
1. this file is XHTML compliant
2. lynx -dump showa no difference (except for timestamps) on
HTML and XHTML files.
Maybe someone could fix all files under english/devel/website/
(but not english/template/debian since all pages will then be
gratuitously rebuilt) so that we can discuss whether they could
be switched to XHTML. When committing changes, please bump
translation-check headers since content is kept unmodified.
Denis
Index: template/debian/common_tags.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/common_tags.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 common_tags.wml
--- template/debian/common_tags.wml 7 Nov 2003 16:04:14 - 1.8
+++ template/debian/common_tags.wml 25 Aug 2004 18:36:59 -
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-define-tag hrlinehr noshade width=100% size=1 //define-tag
+define-tag hrlinehr noshadeifeq $(DOCTYPE) xhtml =noshade/
width=100% size=1 //define-tag
define-tag urla href=%0%0/a/define-tag
define-tag newsurlurl %0 //define-tag
Index: template/debian/mirrors.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/mirrors.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.36
diff -u -r1.36 mirrors.wml
--- template/debian/mirrors.wml 14 Aug 2003 07:07:09 - 1.36
+++ template/debian/mirrors.wml 25 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -
@@ -51,6 +51,7 @@
);
foreach my $m (sort langcmp keys %mirrors) {
my $s = selected if $mirrors{$m} eq us;
+$s .= =\selected\ if $mirrors{$m} eq us $(DOCTYPE) eq xhtml;
perl:printoption value=\$mirrors{$m}\$s$m/option\n/perl:print
}
/perl\
Index: devel/website/using_cvs.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/devel/website/using_cvs.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.12
diff -u -r1.12 using_cvs.wml
--- devel/website/using_cvs.wml 20 Apr 2004 09:51:39 - 1.12
+++ devel/website/using_cvs.wml 25 Aug 2004 18:37:01 -
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
of the main repository. The local copies can be on the same machine,
or across the world. Users can then modify the local copy as they
wish and when the modified material is ready, commit the changes
-back to the main repository.
+back to the main repository./p
pCVS will not let you commit a file if the copy in the main
repository has been modified since your last update. This is
@@ -13,31 +13,31 @@
If the modifications were to different parts than you were working
on, the changes are silently merged. If the changes affect the same area you
were working on, you will be warned that there is a conflict
-and you need to edit the file to fix the problem before committing.
+and you need to edit the file to fix the problem before committing./p
-PIn what follows anonymous access will be used as an example. If
+pIn what follows anonymous access
Re: Patch for Makefile.common [Was: Re: New page for devel/website]
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:41:07PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 24 August 2004 20:36, Luk Claes wrote: I think it's a good idea to put such a page on the site. But I also think we maybe need updated validate and tidy scripts? They would ease the conversion and maintenance. Well, I agree in principle. However, I don't think it would be a good idea to check for XHTML compliance right now, because poor Alfie (who's running the scripts in a cron job) would be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of errors. I guess we should concentrate on fixing most of the outstanding issues before switching the scripts. For example, wml is currently optimizing the HTML code by removing the closing slash in e.g. br /, thus printing br. I think this should be fixed by applying the following patch to Makefile.common. Could someone please review this? Note that the expansion level of 3082 is what I concluded from the wml docs; I don't know whether Debian uses the default configuration of mp4h for the generation of the web pages. This is not enough: 1. DOCTYPE has to be changed and all files rebuild 2. many source files have to be modified in order to be processed (basically they have to be XHTML compliant) 3. generated files have to be checked by a validator to ensure that files are XHTML compliant 4. contents of generated files have to be checked, displayed text should be identical to HTML ones 5. this will trigger bugs in wml and/or mp4h which have to be fixed 6. fixed packages have to be installed on www-master IMO steps 1-5 should be performed by people interested in this migration (on test machines, normally changes required in step 2 can be committed because they should not break current processing), then admins will be asked to install fixed packages and only then such a patch could be applied. Denis
Re: Patch for Makefile.common [Was: Re: New page for devel/website]
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:57:57PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote: Thanks for your detailed analysis on the matter. Maybe I was a bit unclear in my previous message. What I meant was that the patch should fix newly generated files. This is not possible, old pages may get rebuild for many reasons (like a change under english/template/debian), There is no smooth transition. And if nobody tries to generate XHTML files, bugs in wml and mp4h won't get caught. So the best solution is to try your patch on a test machine, and see how it works. I forgot the last step in my previous post: if everything runs fine, one has also to check generated XHTML files with various browsers to check how they are rendered. Denis
Re: Translation Coordinators -- please read (was: Re: New tag for wml -- help needed)
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 02:39:21PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-05-06 22:45]: $ grep Language-Team */po/templates.*.po returns: Arabicdoc at arabeyes.org Catalan debian-l10n-catalan at lists.debian.org Frenchdebian-l10n-french at lists.debian.org Italian debian-l10n-italian at lists.debian.org Japanese debian-doc at debian.or.jp Other translators should fill in header fields. I wonder why this comes up in such a thread now and was never mentioned before... I would have guessed this kind of hint in some of the early messages about the po file handling. I haven't done it for German because I never saw any hint in that direction and wasn't told that it might make sense This was hidden in http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2002/07/msg00096.html You may add any field in the header section of PO files to help translation coordination. Of course if you did not know what I was talking about, this message was pretty clueless, sorry. debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org it is for German, and toddy jumped in to do it now for the German files, thanks. Please add the header informations to your po files. About the header itself: I now wonder if Content-Type has any influence at all. Will it be ignored in favor of language/.wmlrc CHARSET entry, or will it override it? Content-Type field defines the encoding of each PO file. IIRC translators can choose any encoding they like, file content is recoded when pages are generated. But as conversion is performed on all web pages, choosing the same charset as the one in .wmlrc should consume less CPU usage. Denis
Re: Urgent: Not all languages have been updated in the last wml run
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 08:33:58AM -0300, Gustavo R. Montesino wrote: Em Sun, 09 May 2004 12:50:17 +0200, Tobias Toedter escreveu: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, it seems that during the last run of wml not all pages were updated properly because of an error during the building[1]. Furthermore, this seems to be related to the newly introduced gettext domain debian-cdd. The script fails with this message: *** No rule to make target `debian-cdd.mo', needed by `install-mo'. Stop. If anyone can look into this and see what's wrong, I would be glad to know. I've added a target to makefile, so that it'll create the po file if it doesn't exists. It should do the trick (I've tested in the portuguese and english po dirs, and they work fine). I've also cheanged the update-po target, so that it will generate new po files when run. I was going to ask there before commit, but this seemed urgent. It would be good if some webmaster may please review the changes. This is a bad idea, because when translators add or update PO files, they already exist or are modified on www-master which causes a CVS conflict. IMO the only solution is to add */po/foo.XX.po into CVS when adding english/po/foo.pot I have to go for a couple of hours and will look at it when I am back. Denis
Re: Urgent: Not all languages have been updated in the last wml run
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 03:43:47PM -0300, Gustavo R. Montesino wrote: [...] This is a bad idea, because when translators add or update PO files, they already exist or are modified on www-master which causes a CVS conflict. IMO the only solution is to add */po/foo.XX.po into CVS when adding english/po/foo.pot I have to go for a couple of hours and will look at it when I am back. Hmmm... Because something outside of my understanding, the .po files being made automatically by the rule that I've added seems to be rmed after the build process. Although I don't know what's causing this, I think it lets the path open for the translators to add their own .po files when they wish. No, files under CVS control must not be modified when building pages, otherwise CVS conflict may occur on www-master. Imagine for instance that PO files contain a PO-Revision-Date header field, automatically updated when building pages. PO files in the working directory differ from the ones stored in CVS repository. Then a translator commits his file, and when 'cvs update' is run on www-master, there is a conflict and this PO file becomes invalid on www-master. Denis
Re: Urgent: Not all languages have been updated in the last wml run
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 08:37:44PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote: [...] There's a foo.??.po file for every language in the CVS now, is this sufficient for the Makefile dependencies? Yes, your changes in 1.46 were fine. Denis
Re: Urgent: Not all languages have been updated in the last wml run
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 05:29:36PM -0300, Gustavo R. Montesino wrote: [...] * Addition of a %.$(LANGUAGE).po target, so that on the build, if a given .po doesn't exists: - The equivalent port is copied - The mo is built - The po is deleted (I didn't add anything to get this effect, but it happens by some misterious motive) I did not realize that such PO files are deleted because they are intermediate targets. But there was a problem with Makefile r1.48: when a POT file is updated, PO file is overridden. So I committed a slightly different version of r1.49. Thanks. Denis
Re: New tag for wml -- help needed
On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 02:08:15PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote: [...] In the meantime, the number of msgids has raised a little bit, and is now at 16 messages, including some longer sentences. Would you think that this is still appropriate to go into the templates section, or do you think I should rather create a new domain, probably called debian-med? IMHO you can create your own domain, either debian-med or debian-custom if some msgids can be shared with other subprojects. Denis
Re: stattrans.pl and Chinese translation statistics
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:59:57PM +, Chuan-kai Lin wrote: Hello, I noticed that the web site translation statistics at http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/ contains only an entry for zh-cn but none for zh-tw. Would it be possible to have both zh-cn and zh-tw listed in the statistics? I am fully aware that since zh-cn and zh-tw are generated from the same set of wml sources, their statistics would be exactly the same. The reason why I would like to see a separate entry for traditional Chinese (zh-tw) is so that we can get http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/zh-tw.html and it would contain links to translated zh-tw pages, which uses a different encoding (and more importantly, different character glyph). This would make things a lot easier for translators from Taiwan and Hong Kong. Hi, http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/zh-tw.html is now available, and links from index page should be there at next run, sorry for the delay. Denis
Re: Please let the lessoften script do its job
On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 12:57:45AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: Dear webmasters, the lessoften script has never been reactivated after the break-in. It is needed to generate w.d.o/intl/l10n/, could someone please make it run? Hi, can a webmaster please have a look? Denis
Re: New tag for wml -- help needed
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:14:43PM +0200, Tobias Toedter wrote: [...] I would put a file named debian-med.wml in webwml/english/template/debian, to include the tag definition via #use wml::debian::debian-med in the wml files. Right. I'm using the gettext tag to mark repetitive strings, so translations are easier. However, I don't know which gettext domain I should use. My guess is that templates would be appropriate. It depends, if you have many messages you could create your own domain. After this, I would add debian-med.wml to templates_FILES in the Makefile in english/po, run make pot, and commit templates.pot. Right as long as domain name is templates. This is what I concluded from looking at other files in the CVS, READMEs and the list archive. I could not find a comprehensive guide to this procedure, but if such a document exists, I'd be pleased to know about it. There is no need for such a guide since you easily found how to do it ;) Is this the correct approach, or did I miss something? And last, not least: after the update with make pot, how do these changes propagate to the different translations? Can I make the translation teams aware of those new gettext strings? Translators will notice these additions by looking at http://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/language-code.html#gettext But if you warn them, this is even better. $ grep Language-Team */po/templates.*.po returns: Arabicdoc at arabeyes.org Catalan debian-l10n-catalan at lists.debian.org Frenchdebian-l10n-french at lists.debian.org Italian debian-l10n-italian at lists.debian.org Japanese debian-doc at debian.or.jp Other translators should fill in header fields. Denis
Please let the lessoften script do its job
Dear webmasters, the lessoften script has never been reactivated after the break-in. It is needed to generate w.d.o/intl/l10n/, could someone please make it run? Denis
Re: devel/debian-accessibility: Proposed initial content
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 12:07:04PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Denis Barbier) writes: On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:34:04AM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: [Please CC me, I'm not (yet?) subscribed.] Initiated by a discussion I've just had with Andreas Tille, I finally sat down to write up some project page describing the Debian Accessibility effort to enhance the visibility of the whole effort and maybe draw some more attention towards it. Here is a patch to build valid HTML pages, and some unnecessary stuff is removed. Thanks. I've incorporated this. I've had some additional eyes (and hands) do some peer-review meanwhile, and some minimal wording changes were made. If there are no further objections, could someone with webwml CVS access please add these files? (Note I've completely stolen the style.css file From ../debian-lex/, I'll not include it in this mail.) As there has been no objection, I committed your files. Denis
Re: devel/debian-accessibility: Proposed initial content
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:34:04AM +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
Hi.
[Please CC me, I'm not (yet?) subscribed.]
Initiated by a discussion I've just had with Andreas Tille, I finally
sat down to write up some project page describing the Debian Accessibility
effort to enhance the visibility of the whole effort and maybe draw some more
attention towards it.
Here is a patch to build valid HTML pages, and some unnecessary stuff
is removed.
Denis
diff -ur debian-accessibility.orig/Makefile debian-accessibility/Makefile
--- debian-accessibility.orig/Makefile 2004-04-03 15:55:14.0 +0200
+++ debian-accessibility/Makefile 2004-04-03 15:57:47.0 +0200
@@ -8,6 +8,3 @@
include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang
-index.$(LANGUAGE).html: index.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/template.wml \
- $(TEMPLDIR)/recent_list.wml
-
diff -ur debian-accessibility.orig/index.wml debian-accessibility/index.wml
--- debian-accessibility.orig/index.wml 2004-04-03 15:55:20.0 +0200
+++ debian-accessibility/index.wml 2004-04-03 15:57:52.0 +0200
@@ -1,5 +1,4 @@
#use wml::debian::template title=Debian-Accessibility
-#use wml::debian::recent_list
{#style#:link rel=stylesheet href=style.css type=text/css /:#style#}
H2Project description/H2
diff -ur debian-accessibility.orig/software.wml
debian-accessibility/software.wml
--- debian-accessibility.orig/software.wml 2004-04-03 15:55:27.0
+0200
+++ debian-accessibility/software.wml 2004-04-03 16:05:56.0 +0200
@@ -7,14 +7,13 @@
h3if get-var url
a href=get-var url name=get-var tagget-var name/a
a name=get-var tagget-var name/a/h3
-P
%body
-/P
restore name tag url/
/define-tag
h2a id=speech-synthesis name=speech-synthesisSpeech Synthesis and
related APIs/a/h2
a11y-pkg name=EFlite tag=eflite url=http://eflite.sourceforge.net/;
+P
A speech server for A href=#emacspeakEmacspeak/A and
A href=#yasryasr/A (or other screen readers) that allows them to
interface with A href=#fliteFestival Lite/A, a free text-to-speech
@@ -24,8 +23,10 @@
P
Due to limitations inherited from its backend, EFlite does only provide
support for the English language at the moment.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
a11y-pkg name=Festival Lite tag=flite
+P
A small fast run-time speech synthesis engine. It is the latest
addition to the suite of free software synthesis tools including
University of Edinburgh's Festival Speech Synthesis System and
@@ -35,9 +36,11 @@
/P
P
It currently only supports the English language.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
a11y-pkg name=Festival tag=festival
url=http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/;
+P
A general multi-lingual speech synthesis system developed
at the A href=http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/;CSTR/A [iC/ientre for
iS/ipeech iT/iechnology iR/iesearch] of
@@ -53,8 +56,10 @@
Besides research into speech synthesis, festival is useful as a stand-alone
speech synthesis program. It is capable of producing clearly understandable
speech from text.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
a11y-pkg name=recite tag=recite
+P
Recite is a program to do speech synthesis. The quality of sound produced
is not terribly good, but it should be adequate for reporting the occasional
error message verbally.
@@ -66,9 +71,11 @@
Recite can perform a subset of these operations, so it can be used to
convert text into phonemes, or to produce an utterance based on vocal
tract parameters computed by another program.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
a11y-pkg name=Speech Dispatcher tag=speech-dispatcher
url=http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd;
+P
Provides a device independent layer for speech synthesis.
It supports various software and hardware speech synthesizers as
backends and provides a generic layer for synthesizing speech and
@@ -79,6 +86,7 @@
and application specific user configurations are implemented in a device
independent way, therefore freeing the application programmer from having
to yet again reinvent the wheel.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
H2A name=i18nspeechInternationalised Speech Synthesis/A/H2
@@ -151,6 +159,7 @@
H2A id=emacs name=emacsScreen review extensions for Emacs/A/H2
a11y-pkg name=Emacspeak tag=emacspeak
url=http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/;
+P
A speech output system that will allow someone who cannot see
to work directly on a UNIX system. Once you start emacs with
emacspeak loaded, you get spoken feedback for everything you do. Your
@@ -159,18 +168,22 @@
written in tcl to support the DECtalk Express and DECtalk MultiVoice
speech synthesizers. For other synthesizers, look for separate
speech server packages such as emacspeak-ss or A href=#efliteeflite/A.
+/P
/a11y-pkg
a11y-pkg name=speechd-el tag=speechd-el
url=http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd-el;
+P
An Emacs client and an Elisp library to
A href=#speech-dispatcherSpeech Dispatcher/A. It provides a complex
speech interface to Emacs, focused especially on (but not limited to) the
blind and
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by barbier: webwml/english/template/debian language_names.wml
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 04:40:59PM -0700, Debian WWW CVS wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml Module name: webwml Changes by: barbier 04/03/15 16:40:59 Modified files: english/template/debian: language_names.wml Log message: s/galician/gallegan/ I reverted Jordi's change; of course he knows better than I how to spell this language, but Gallegan is the official name found in ISO 639, and thus iso-codes, etc. Denis
Re: packages.debian.org has been internationalized
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 05:39:01AM +0100, Jens Seidel wrote: [...] This change is great and I vote to change all other links as well. But there is a small problem: $ grep -ri 'packages.debian.org.*\.html' english/ | wc 25046604 307212 More than 2500 files need an update! I can perform this using smart_change.pl. No, you forgot the -l flag, there are in fact 180 files. Denis
Re: moving search_packages form to include file
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 12:40:46PM +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Hi. While working on the search_packages script I thought that it might be good to move the form on distrib/packages to an include file (like it is done for parts of the form on Bugs/index). This would make it easier to modify the form if the script changes. A patch plus two new files are attached. Comments welcome. I've put the gettext strings in a new distrib.pot because I got the impression that others.pot is getting really big and some splitting might be good. Looks very good. Denis
Bug#229657: Updates for http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/es
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 09:59:33PM +0100, Javi Castelo wrote: Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hi please, ¿Could you update the information for that web page? As this question gets no answer, I run the script on my own page: http://people.debian.org/~barbier/intl/l10n/po-debconf/es Denis
Re: Website not building?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 01:51:08AM +0100, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: Hello, It seems that the webwml run breaks on bulgarian compilation: from current http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/wml_run.log [...] make -C bulgarian install make[1]: Entering directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/bulgarian' make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/bulgarian' make: *** [bulgarian-install] Error 2 Bulgarian directory seems to lack top Makefile and every other files. Ouch, translator removed all files, no idea why. I just removed bulgarian from the top-level Makefile. Denis
Re: Website not building?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 05:24:38PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Frédéric Bothamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-01-23 13:25]: BTW could this explain the segfault in stattrans.pl ? Strictly speaking, there is no segfault, but a division by zero. Stattrans.pl has been fixed. Might be, yes. Are there empty directories on www-master? I guess no, some generated files should still be around. Denis
Re: Anon pserver access (was: Re: write access in CVS server impossible.)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 03:02:17PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Tommi Vainikainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-01-13 15:09]: [...] Giving anonymous pserver account could be done by any DD with read access to webwml CVS repository by just registering new project to alioth and rsyncing webwml CVS repository in raw format to alioth CVS with cron. After that we translators could run cvs update from alioth anonymously and especially run cvs diff to generate patches! Any DD interested? Might be interested, but need a helping hand (and some advice if its worth the setup or might raise security problems). The CVS repository could be moved to Alioth, I see no reason to rsync it. Denis
Bug#227273: packages.debian.org: charset mismatch (always in UTF-8?)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 06:12:19PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: [...] However, in the reality, the page is written in EUC-JP. Because of this inconsistency, web browsers will render the page by assuming the page is UTF-8 and the result will be the Mojibake. [...] I do not know how packages.debian.org is generated, but this mismatch may be due to how Japanese pages are encoded under webwml/japanese/. Japanese translators decided to generate HTML pages with ISO-2022-JP encoding, and because this is their preferred encoding, .wml files are ISO-2022-JP as well. Unfortunately, WML cannot handle this encoding, so .wml files are preprocessed and recoded into EUC-JP, then normal WML processing takes place, and output files are converted back to ISO-2022-JP. For this reason, mojibake occurs also for all index files which include material from other pages (/events, /News, etc). I am going to commit a fix. Denis
Re: [tbm@cyrius.com: Re: Speaker directory]
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:03:22PM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 01:02:48AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote: On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:54:03AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: [...] Look at http://www.debian.org/events/speakers/ Ideally, it would say topic when there's 1 topic, and topics when there are multiple. However, I'm not sure if this is easily possible. This is not trivial, a new ngettext tag must be added to mp4h to handle plural forms. Should I file a wishlist bug against mp4h? Sure, this is a good idea if you want me not to forget about it ;) Denis
Re: [tbm@cyrius.com: Re: Speaker directory]
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 03:02:16PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-01-10 01:02]: On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:54:03AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: [...] Look at http://www.debian.org/events/speakers/ Ideally, it would say topic when there's 1 topic, and topics when there are multiple. However, I'm not sure if this is easily possible. This is not trivial, a new ngettext tag must be added to mp4h to handle plural forms. Shouldn't be somehow possible to count the embedded topic tags in the topics container and perl print Topic . ($count == 1) ? : s or something like that should be doable, shouldn't it? Yes it would work for English and most European languages, but please read info ngettext to learn why handling of plural forms cannot be done this way. Denis
Bug#225795: www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/xx is not updated now.
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 03:28:11AM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: [...] umm... http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/ja is added its links, but not use update informaiton yet. Sorry if I was unclear, some scripts have to be enabled, but nobody knows when they will be again, this is out of my control. In the meantime, data are available at http://people.debian.org/~barbier/intl/l10n/po-debconf/ja Denis
Re: [tbm@cyrius.com: Re: Speaker directory]
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:54:03AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote: [...] Look at http://www.debian.org/events/speakers/ Ideally, it would say topic when there's 1 topic, and topics when there are multiple. However, I'm not sure if this is easily possible. This is not trivial, a new ngettext tag must be added to mp4h to handle plural forms. Denis
Re: write access in CVS server impossible.
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:54:17PM +0900, Seongtae Yoo wrote: Hi! It seems that ssh access in CVS server is enabled. Korean translation group doesn't have ssh account in CVS server. I have sent a mail requesting ssh accout, no answer. You could file a bugreport with a tarball containing your patches, a Debian developer will commit them for you. Please note also that w.d.o/donations.ko.html and w.d.o/mirror/ftpmirror.ko.html have encoding issues: $ iconv -f euc-kr -t euc-kr donations.ko.html /dev/null iconv: illegal input sequence at position 8822 $ iconv -f euc-kr -t euc-kr ftpmirror.ko.html /dev/null iconv: illegal input sequence at position 6519 Denis
Bug#225795: www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/xx is not updated now.
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 08:09:57PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: Hi, BTW http://people.debian.org/~barbier/intl/l10n/po-debconf/ja/ contains up-to-date stats. Yes, that's what I want. thanks Denis, I'll use it. and... one more thing, that's kind of wish. If package names links to its own BTS status, we translators can check more easier that translated po-debconf file is posted or not. could you think about it, please? Very good idea, this has been done. Thanks. Denis
Re: Validation pages up and running
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 09:12:48PM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: [...] Japanese translators requested many times that English text (at least text which is embedded in all languages) use plain ASCII (with entities if needed) and not ISO-8859-1. Unless there is a good reason not to accept, I will change English files to fix these errors. Sounds good to me. Are you going to use decimal or hexadecimal entities? I was going to use named entities, which are more mnemonic. Anyway I won't have time to make these changes just now. Denis
Validation pages up and running
Hi, http://people.debian.org/~barbier/tidy/ http://people.debian.org/~barbier/validate/ are generated again. Josip, when will you make lessoften run? The l10n stuff is running on gluck, I did not yet ask admins access to non-us, so you might comment the generation of unstable.non-US (but do not remove old files, I am not sure that everything works fine if this file is missing). Denis
