Re: Debian Live page under /devel/debian-live/
On 6/17/07, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel Baumann wrote: > Hi, > > For Debian Live, I would like to have an overview site under > /devel/debian-live/ similar like the d-i has, offering deep links to > cdimage.debian.org when the images are uploaded (in some weeks) and > refering to the alioth page for further information. > > What do you think? Good idea. Is Debian Live in a workable and usable state already? So say we all: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website Designs
On 4/18/07, James Herrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I've come up with a quick mockup design for the debian homepage, what does everyone think? http://james.isafreelancer.com/debian/ constructive criticism welcome! Hi James, This is A quality material, keep the mockups coming! Could you please try to merge our index content into your layout and maybe prepare one or two more pages? It will help people believe that the change is possible. Btw, there are some problems as others pointed out (like the flags issue), but they are minor since we can easily replace that adding back the combo box (same deal as today). I can setup parallel infrastructure to literally build the site over a new layout, but it would be better tweak the first page template and the others first. Keep in mind that at least two will be needed, for example: If I click into Documentation, it would be better that if the large black bar containing 'have you got debian 4.0 yet?' disappear leaving room for the section content. Validated HTML 4.01 and CSS is also appreciated. ;) thanks, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SoC: website cleanup
On 3/19/07, Joey Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MJ Ray wrote: > Runa Agate Sandvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > I want to review the navigational structure in parallell with the design > > update. I just want to change the navigational structure and the look&feel of > > the website. [...] > > This sounds more like debian-website-overthrow than > debian-website-cleanup. I'd suggest maybe tidying up the design and > navigation and merging/splitting some of the content as appropriate, > but I'm not sure whether totally changing it all is a good idea. I > think that would disorientate current regular users of the website > (yes, there are some) unnecessarily. Throwing away the existing one and starting from scratch is most probably not what we want. Changing problematic pieces and improving the current website where possible sound a much sexier to me. Hi Joey, Could you please list what are these pieces from your point of view? thanks in advance, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A contest for a new css
On 3/17/07, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:31:00AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Mathieu! > >Hi! I steal think that debian has, unfortunatly, the less beautiful > >website of all major distributions. I already submited some artworks I > >did on this mailling list[1], but not everyone liked it. All right, I > >may not be the best webdesigner around here, so what about launching a > >contest ? :) > > Actually, that's not a bad idea at all. I agree. Another option could be to make it a summer of code project; the FreeBSD project did that last year, and look at their website now! :-) Runa already wrote the proposal in the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2007/WebCleanup AFAIK, there are no mentors or candidates yet. (...) regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A contest for a new css
On 3/17/07, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:31:00AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Mathieu! > >Hi! I steal think that debian has, unfortunatly, the less beautiful > >website of all major distributions. I already submited some artworks I > >did on this mailling list[1], but not everyone liked it. All right, I > >may not be the best webdesigner around here, so what about launching a > >contest ? :) > > Actually, that's not a bad idea at all. I agree. Another option could be to make it a summer of code project; the FreeBSD project did that last year, and look at their website now! :-) (...) Sounds good Wouter. Btw, I offer myself as co-mentor of such a task, I can do some research on how the SoC project was mentored for the FreeBSD project, how they translate the website and if we can adapt their ideas to our current scenario, what were the problems with the content migration (if it was needed) and stuff like that. I think a better primary mentor would be somebody else more involved with the daily website maintenance though. Anyone interested? regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a staging ground for etch release
On 3/17/07, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > >Re modern design and stuff: Please define problems with the current design > >and propose improvements. This has been asked all volunteers who wanted > >to apply a complete redesign of the web pages. The smaller the changes > >the easier they can be applied and the more likely it will be that they > >will be accepted. > > The problem is that it's quite hard to Joe User help us downloading > testing images from that current page and the mozilla approach seems Parse error. Maybe some links need to be added to the main page prominently? Maybe. Maybe the /CD/ page could use a reordering? Maybe. *shrug* Parse error, as I said... Parse error, simple because you and I are not the target of the proposed feature. > to be saner, IMHO. Just ask on debian-user. Btw, I though we wrote a No. I'm asking on debian-www, the list where the web pages are maintained. It doesn't hurt seek for feedback from our users, those who have no idea who is maintaining the web pages but sometimes need to use its content more than us. If you can't define the problems, how do you expect to work on solutions? If you can realize that there are more Debian web page users than Debian developers and contributors, that would be great for a start. > I agree with Frank on solve one problem at a time and I'll try to do > more and talk less, like i did in others areas into the project. > Arguments in favor or against ideas will guide us to nowhere, but > better solutions than I'm proposing will. Solutions should fix problems and not search problems they could potentially fix. I'll answer you with work and fixes not messages anymore, since you've attacked the message, the messenger and the possibility of me or somebody else that agree with my initial idea feel motivated to prepare a test case, and show to this list. I'm sure now that's one of the reasons behind so many people that could have write access on our web pages start entire new websites instead cooperate here. Feel free to keep wasting our resources with these statements, and once you realize how much damage it caused to the project your @debian.org and the power you think you have, will worth nothing. regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a staging ground for etch release
On 3/17/07, Jens Seidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 08:41:58PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Gustavo Franco wrote: > > The problem is that it's quite hard to Joe User help us downloading > > testing images from that current page and the mozilla approach seems > > Parse error. > > Maybe some links need to be added to the main page prominently? > > Maybe the /CD/ page could use a reordering? > > *shrug* Parse error, as I said... I was confused by Gustavo as well. I checked whether it's hard to find testing images and opened the homepage www.debian.org. The top strip contains a button "Getting Debian" which obviously matchs our need. Also on the right side is a "Getting Debian" entry which subitems. Here I assume the user is able to read. Gustavo, do you propose adding pictures? No, please look at: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ Do you see "Download Firefox - Free", there's a link to a Linux i686 binary to me, it should be Linux ppc since i'm running Debian on my iBook, but do you see the difference? Following the link you find immediately http://www.debian.org/CD/ and after selecting your preferred download method (jigdo, http, ...) you have *direct* access to testing images. PS: There are indeed some information which are hard to find. But testing images are not affected! Now I'm understanding why more and more people start new Debian web pages with content that should be official instead cooperate with debian-www mailing list and add the content into our official website. Don't you? regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a staging ground for etch release
On 3/17/07, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 3/16/07, Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi. > > > >(...) > >On the other hand it would be nice to test something like that > >anyway so people can perhaps use this method for other tasks > >(redesign anyone ;) ?). > > Hi, > > Redesign and tests to move into svn? :-) I can setup a vserver on a > fast machine, give access and help with anybody that know way more > than me about the website internals and cvs layout starting this > Sunday. Please define the problem you have with the current CVS setup and explain how this is fixed with using Subversion. A move just because you like svn more than cvs doesn't sound right to me. Fwiw. Hi Joey, I'm sorry for not pointing them out in my previous message, since the problems are so obvious that i thought they don't require a detailed explanation. Fortunately, i think that Joey Hess wrote the most important to webwml use case scenario, related with merge. > Closing, just a vague idea but maybe it would be good to test into > debian.org/devel/debian-installer. Couldn't we add something like > mozilla that suggests a download based on the browser information ? > (eg.: If i log into the page using my ibook, show my only the ppc > images available and a link to the others). Thoughts? This requires active pages, which until now is not supported since we depend on static HTML files. Re modern design and stuff: Please define problems with the current design and propose improvements. This has been asked all volunteers who wanted to apply a complete redesign of the web pages. The smaller the changes the easier they can be applied and the more likely it will be that they will be accepted. The problem is that it's quite hard to Joe User help us downloading testing images from that current page and the mozilla approach seems to be saner, IMHO. Just ask on debian-user. Btw, I though we wrote a new installer from scratch and did a lot of useful things and a "we depend on static HTML files" won't block us to do the right thing again. I agree with Frank on solve one problem at a time and I'll try to do more and talk less, like i did in others areas into the project. Arguments in favor or against ideas will guide us to nowhere, but better solutions than I'm proposing will. regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a staging ground for etch release
On 3/16/07, Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. (...) On the other hand it would be nice to test something like that anyway so people can perhaps use this method for other tasks (redesign anyone ;) ?). Hi, Redesign and tests to move into svn? :-) I can setup a vserver on a fast machine, give access and help with anybody that know way more than me about the website internals and cvs layout starting this Sunday. I really like a lot of initiatives of new Debian related websites but many of these would be better if integrated if debian.org. Closing, just a vague idea but maybe it would be good to test into debian.org/devel/debian-installer. Couldn't we add something like mozilla that suggests a download based on the browser information ? (eg.: If i log into the page using my ibook, show my only the ppc images available and a link to the others). Thoughts? regards, -- stratus http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#346328: packages.debian.org: packages.d.o is down message.
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Gustavo Franco: > > >>I think we can inform about PTS and remove Google direct reference as in >>the following message: > > > The PTS seems to have stopped updating, too. 8-( I see, but the users could still check source files, package version and subscribe to packages (?). -- Gustavo Franco - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#346328: packages.debian.org: packages.d.o is down message.
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist Hi, The actual "p.d.o is down" message is: "packages.debian.org is down at the moment. We apologize for any inconvenience and hope to have service restored as soon as possible. We're working on resurrecting this service but it will take some time. You can use apt-file, apt-cache search and findpkg (--> Google) as a temporary replacement." I think we can inform about PTS and remove Google direct reference as in the following message: "packages.debian.org is down at the moment. We apologize for any inconvenience and hope to have service restored as soon as possible. We're working on resurrecting this service but it will take some time. You can use apt-file or auto-apt utilities (both debian packages), go to Debian Package Tracking System[0] or a web search engine as a temporary replacement." [0] = to qa.d.o/developer.php Hope that helps, Gustavo Franco - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Who's using Debian?
I want to ask for removal of Alternex S/A (under "Commercial"), because i leave the company two years ago and it's being closed this month. All the servers and desktops running Debian GNU/Linux will be shutdown soon. The good thing is that i'm working now at a non-profit organization called Information Network for the Third Sector, and if you can include it, i'll describe our activities below: Name of Organization: Information Network for The Third Sector Organization Type: Non-Profit Organization Home-Page: www.rits.org.br Information Network for The Third Sector is using Debian GNU/Linux on its core network infrastructure since 2003. We've a ISP mainly to non-profit organizations use the Internet as a field for their activities, our services for them includes: web hosting, colocated servers and consulting. We've decided to migrate all our GNU/Linux servers to Debian because the goals of the project behind it and the good quality of the software and distribution management.This task is being made by Gustavo Franco, with support of our technical staff. Actually we've 20 servers running Debian GNU/Linux. Thanks in advance, Gustavo Franco -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> p.s: Please Cc: me i'm not subscribed to debian-www.
