Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: But to translate FrontPageNews is an Impossible job (well, it's not impossible, but it doesn't pay the bill to do the work, and it prevents me from doing the work that does pay the bill) , and it's of little use to translate everything. What I propose is to keep some page FrontPageNewsFeed (I noticed that you have explained about FronPageNews on, yes, the page FrontPageNews). Then we could have something like this on the FrontPage: ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... Then the translators could write something like (not translated now, but you get the concept I hope): ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = These links are mostly in English [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... I understood now. Anyway, I don't even know if that is possible at all in MoinMoin (people with more knowledge on the matter, please let us know). Or is that 'include' allowed? Does that work as transcluding? That would actually make it better for the markup health which right now I've converted into a mess (the front page news section). That way, I could remove the filter I have that says that updates done by DavidMorenoGarza should be filed under Debian/Wiki, and automaticly marked read. If DavidMorenoGarca later changes something, I would still notice, and act, either by ignoring the update, or translate what he updated. I can create a different profile. Probably something like DavidMorenoGarzaBot or similar :-) I do want to include the news from FrontPage onto the translated StartSide but I do not want to edit the page every 6th hour. I dont either see the front page as a static page, but I do think we should have translated pages of the fronpage, and maybe later, when we get the manpower, also translate some other pages. But to ease the burden of the translators, I ask to have the dynamic content on feed's, and instead including them on the frontpage. I have no problem updating the page once or twice a week, but every 6th hour ? no way. I understand. Are more people interested into this? I mean, is something working as hard as Mr. Johansen to keep this translated and updated? Thanks, -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: C671257D Yo sólo sé que no he cenado. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
David Moreno Garza wrote: I understood now. Anyway, I don't even know if that is possible at all in MoinMoin (people with more knowledge on the matter, please let us know). Or is that 'include' allowed? Does that work as transcluding? That would actually make it better for the markup health which right now I've converted into a mess (the front page news section). I just saw that Include is indeed a macro and I started to use it, now the content on FrontPage is: = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = ### View FrontPageNews for more info. [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)]] The news are now thrown at, obviously, FrontPageNewsFeed, as you suggested. This made the front page markup be cleaner and I discovered this way as an even better way to place the news. I hope that works for you now and for every other interested translator. -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: C671257D El rock nació conmigo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
David Moreno Garza wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: But to translate FrontPageNews is an Impossible job (well, it's not impossible, but it doesn't pay the bill to do the work, and it prevents me from doing the work that does pay the bill) , and it's of little use to translate everything. What I propose is to keep some page FrontPageNewsFeed (I noticed that you have explained about FronPageNews on, yes, the page FrontPageNews). Then we could have something like this on the FrontPage: ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... Then the translators could write something like (not translated now, but you get the concept I hope): ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = These links are mostly in English [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... I understood now. Anyway, I don't even know if that is possible at all in MoinMoin (people with more knowledge on the matter, please let us know). Or is that 'include' allowed? Does that work as transcluding? That would actually make it better for the markup health which right now I've converted into a mess (the front page news section). [[Include(SomeWikiPage)]] is working, I tested in a sandbox before I suggested that solution. That way, I could remove the filter I have that says that updates done by DavidMorenoGarza should be filed under Debian/Wiki, and automaticly marked read. If DavidMorenoGarca later changes something, I would still notice, and act, either by ignoring the update, or translate what he updated. I can create a different profile. Probably something like DavidMorenoGarzaBot or similar :-) I guess that also could help a bit, but I think it would be best to keep the frequent changes outside what we try to translate, and rather have that section included. -- Finn-Arne Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bzz.no/ Debian-edu developer and Solution provider EE2A71C6403A3D191FCDC043006F1215062E6642 062E6642 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
David Moreno Garza wrote: Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: But these updated is making it hard for me keep the Norwegian Translation up-to-date. I've watched the updates for some time, and I guess it's clear to everyone that translating the FrontPageNews is a task that is impossible to keep up with. I could automaticly discard the changes made by DavidMorenoGarza, but that might lead to discarding other changes that he might do. I dont know if it's possible in moinmoin, but other wikis have the possibility to transclude. I'm sorry if I didn't understand right. Were you willing to discard my account on the wiki? Please clarify since I didn't get your point correctly. Ok, I'll rephrase: I'm trying to keep a translated FrontPage in Norwegian, on wiki.d.o/StartSide But to translate FrontPageNews is an Impossible job (well, it's not impossible, but it doesn't pay the bill to do the work, and it prevents me from doing the work that does pay the bill) , and it's of little use to translate everything. What I propose is to keep some page FrontPageNewsFeed (I noticed that you have explained about FronPageNews on, yes, the page FrontPageNews). Then we could have something like this on the FrontPage: ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... Then the translators could write something like (not translated now, but you get the concept I hope): ... = Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news = These links are mostly in English [[Include(FrontPageNewsFeed)] ... That way, I could remove the filter I have that says that updates done by DavidMorenoGarza should be filed under Debian/Wiki, and automaticly marked read. If DavidMorenoGarca later changes something, I would still notice, and act, either by ignoring the update, or translate what he updated. I do want to include the news from FrontPage onto the translated StartSide but I do not want to edit the page every 6th hour. I don't see the front page as an static web page. Joey did a great job by organizing it and I think more dynamic content could be brought on several ways (I've been also thinking on featuring a 'page of the week' and placing it on the front page too). I understand most of these changes won't be trackable for translation but I also think only the main information on the front page should be translated (I like to see Wikipedia's front page as a great example to follow). I dont either see the front page as a static page, but I do think we should have translated pages of the fronpage, and maybe later, when we get the manpower, also translate some other pages. But to ease the burden of the translators, I ask to have the dynamic content on feed's, and instead including them on the frontpage. I have no problem updating the page once or twice a week, but every 6th hour ? no way. -- Finn-Arne Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bzz.no/ Debian-edu developer and Solution provider EE2A71C6403A3D191FCDC043006F1215062E6642 062E6642 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
Finn-Arne Johansen wrote: But these updated is making it hard for me keep the Norwegian Translation up-to-date. I've watched the updates for some time, and I guess it's clear to everyone that translating the FrontPageNews is a task that is impossible to keep up with. I could automaticly discard the changes made by DavidMorenoGarza, but that might lead to discarding other changes that he might do. I dont know if it's possible in moinmoin, but other wikis have the possibility to transclude. I'm sorry if I didn't understand right. Were you willing to discard my account on the wiki? Please clarify since I didn't get your point correctly. I don't see the front page as an static web page. Joey did a great job by organizing it and I think more dynamic content could be brought on several ways (I've been also thinking on featuring a 'page of the week' and placing it on the front page too). I understand most of these changes won't be trackable for translation but I also think only the main information on the front page should be translated (I like to see Wikipedia's front page as a great example to follow). -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: C671257D Kumbia King: King of Kumbia. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of FrontPage by DavidMorenoGarza
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Updated FrontPageNews.
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= Latest official and unofficial Debian-related news =
### {
- Last updated: ''Thu Jun 1 05:00:15 2006 CDT''
+ Last updated: ''Thu Jun 1 11:00:27 2006 CDT''
...
### }
### DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING BETWEEN THESE LINES
oops, I did (but only in this email (-8 )
But these updated is making it hard for me keep the Norwegian
Translation up-to-date. I've watched the updates for some time, and I
guess it's clear to everyone that translating the FrontPageNews is a
task that is impossible to keep up with. I could automaticly discard the
changes made by DavidMorenoGarza, but that might lead to discarding
other changes that he might do. I dont know if it's possible in
moinmoin, but other wikis have the possibility to transclude.
Would it be possible to transclude the content of FrontPageNews ?
Then it would be possible to Translate the FrontPageNews title, and
maybe tell something about the News (translated), and keep the News on a
separate page, hopefully without to much other content, so that the news
could be included as is.
Please CC me , as I'm not subscribed to debian-www
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