Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 07:03:28PM +0900, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > On May 12, 2003 at 11:17PM +0200, > Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what is the benefit of being compatible with the GPL? > > Is it e.g. impossible to distribute copies of our web pages with > > GPL-licensed programs? > > I think that a work which derives from both an Open Publication > Licensed work and a GNU GPLed work cannot be distributed. Aggregation, though, is usually not a problem. If you just happen to be distributing the two together then that's fine. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
On May 12, 2003 at 11:17PM +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what is the benefit of being compatible with the GPL? > Is it e.g. impossible to distribute copies of our web pages with > GPL-licensed programs? I think that a work which derives from both an Open Publication Licensed work and a GNU GPLed work cannot be distributed. The Open Publication License seems to be a copyleft license. Even if it is not a copyleft license, the following requirements conflict with the GNU GPL. The Open Publication License (http://opencontent.org/openpub/) v1.0 says: | I. REQUIREMENTS ON BOTH UNMODIFIED AND MODIFIED VERSIONS | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the | citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher | and author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the | book. On all outer surfaces of the book the original | publisher's name shall be as large as the title of the work and | cited as possessive with respect to the title. | IV. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS | 4. The location of the original unmodified document must be identified. * > (Overriding Mail-Followup-To: because I can't seem to find you on either > debian-www list membership list or the PTS...) I should say that I'm reading this thread via debian-www archive. -- Tatsuya Kinoshita
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:01:35PM +0900, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > > Our guidelines doesn't enforce being compatible with the GPL. There are > > quite some packages in main that are not compatible with the GPL. > > Right. This is my wish, so I set Severity to "wishlist" already. Okay, we get that, but what is the benefit of being compatible with the GPL? Is it e.g. impossible to distribute copies of our web pages with GPL-licensed programs? I'm asking because we're quite unlikely to ever fulfil such a wish unless some strong reason for it. It's not trivial to track down each and every person who ever submitted stuff to the web pages and ACK a licence change. (Overriding Mail-Followup-To: because I can't seem to find you on either debian-www list membership list or the PTS...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:01:35PM +0900, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > > The Open Publication License seems to have a problem. It is > similar to the GNU FDL. It doesn't unless you enforce some options (as with the GFDL) please read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-common.en.html#s2.2 Regards Javi pgp86eFqxPyef.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
On May 12, 2003 at 11:09AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our guidelines doesn't enforce being compatible with the GPL. There are > quite some packages in main that are not compatible with the GPL. Right. This is my wish, so I set Severity to "wishlist" already. > > I hope that the Debian WWW Pages will be clearly free > > The Debian WWW Pages _are_ free. The Open Publication License seems to have a problem. It is similar to the GNU FDL. In the debian-legal mailing list: On May 1, 2003 at 11:00AM -0700, Mark Rafn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Open Publication License (http://opencontent.org/openpub/) > > v1.0 says: > > | The publisher > > | and author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the > > | book. On all outer surfaces of the book the original > > | publisher's name shall be as large as the title of the work and > > | cited as possessive with respect to the title. > > This would likely not be accepted for software. There's currently some > debate (heh) on whether documentation can be considered free with this > kind of restriction and whether there is a category of things that are > not software which Debian should distribute even if they're not free. > > My personal opinion is that this clause makes any work released under > this license non-free, and Debian shouldn't distribute it. On May 7, 2003 at 2:41AM -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 11:00:41AM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: > > > | The publisher > > > | and author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the > > > | book. On all outer surfaces of the book the original > > > | publisher's name shall be as large as the title of the work and > > > | cited as possessive with respect to the title. > Hm. I think have said in the past that the OPL was Free if neither of > its license options were exercised. However the above quoted text from > the license is not conditional, and is part of all instantiations of the > OPL. > > I hereby retract any previous unequivocal statements I made about the > OPL's DFSG-freeness when neither license option is exercised. > > I am not yet willing to make a new unequivocal statement to replace it. > My thoughts on this issue will probably hitched to the GNU FDL Cover > Texts issue, but I need more time to reflect on the subject. -- Tatsuya Kinoshita
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
* Tatsuya Kinoshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-10 10:19]: > Debian WWW Pages are distributed under the Open Publication > License. However, it is incompatible with the GNU GPL. Must it be? > I hope that the Debian WWW Pages will be clearly free The Debian WWW Pages _are_ free. They are just not > compatible with the GNU GPL. Our guidelines doesn't enforce being compatible with the GPL. There are quite some packages in main that are not compatible with the GPL. I don't see the real problem here. Have fun, Alfie -- -!- Gromitt_ is now known as Gromitt oh scheisse, gromitt wird wach da hab ich jetzt soviele lines gemacht in den letzten 24 std. und jetzt kommt der wieder ;)-- #debian.de pgp6L9cpTKuHf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#192748: Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist Debian WWW Pages are distributed under the Open Publication License. However, it is incompatible with the GNU GPL. I hope that the Debian WWW Pages will be clearly free and compatible with the GNU GPL. See also debian-legal archive: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200305/threads.html#3 -- Tatsuya Kinoshita
