consistent usage of aptitude (was Re: Etch errata)

2007-05-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Wednesday 30 May 2007 16:39, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> >> > > I thought aptitude was the recommended frontend.
> >> > In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are
> >> > no complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing
> >> > packages and there should be no difference which program is used.
> >> My point was that we should have consistent recommendations.
> > Well, seemingly inconsistent, it's all the same APT library.
>  You know this, and propably most reading this list, but Andrei got a
> point there, it propably will confuse some users.
>
>  On the other hand - before changing it in those pages it would be
> required to convince the security team to adapt their templates for the
> DSAs they send out.  Otherwise we will confuse those users even more,
> having different recommendations wrt/ security in the different parts.

The first step in convincing someone is to tell about the issue, so I cc:ed 
the security team :)

Maybe it doesn't even need convincing, as everybody agrees that we should be 
consistent in our documentation, that aptitude is the recommended 
command-line package-manager and that therefore also the DSA templates should 
be changed to reflect that. Security team, do you agree?


regards,
Holger


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Re: Etch errata

2007-05-30 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-28 21:49]:
> On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:38:45PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> > > I thought aptitude was the recommended frontend.
>> > 
>> > In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no
>> > complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and
>> > there should be no difference which program is used.
>> 
>> My point was that we should have consistent recommendations.
> 
> Well, seemingly inconsistent, it's all the same APT library.

 You know this, and propably most reading this list, but Andrei got a
point there, it propably will confuse some users.

 On the other hand - before changing it in those pages it would be
required to convince the security team to adapt their templates for the
DSAs they send out.  Otherwise we will confuse those users even more,
having different recommendations wrt/ security in the different parts.

 So long,
Alfie
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Re: Etch errata

2007-05-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:38:45PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I 
> > > know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used 
> > > in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the 
> > > recommended frontend.
> > 
> > In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no
> > complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and
> > there should be no difference which program is used.
> 
> My point was that we should have consistent recommendations.

Well, seemingly inconsistent, it's all the same APT library.

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Re: Etch errata

2007-05-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 07:37:23PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 07:33:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I 
> > know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used 
> > in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the 
> > recommended frontend.
> 
> In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no
> complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and
> there should be no difference which program is used.

My point was that we should have consistent recommendations.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Etch errata

2007-05-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 07:33:56PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I 
> know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used 
> in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the 
> recommended frontend.

In the case of security updates, it does not matter, because there are no
complex dependencies to be resolved, you only upgrade existing packages and
there should be no difference which program is used.

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Etch errata

2007-05-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
Hi,

I am in the progress of translating the etch errata into Romanian (yes I 
know, better late then never) and I noticed that apt-get is still used 
in the example for security updates. I thought aptitude was the 
recommended frontend.

Regards,
Andrei
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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)


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