Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:05:24PM +1000, Craig Small wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:06:34PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Tolimar informed me that several CD vendors that we list on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ are not reachable by the links we provide. This happens from time to time, where is the link checker report? I haven't seen one of those for a long time. http://people.debian.org/~djpig/urlcheck/ (linked from www.debian.org/devel/website/desc). Jens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:06:34PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Tolimar informed me that several CD vendors that we list on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ are not reachable by the links we provide. This happens from time to time, where is the link checker report? I haven't seen one of those for a long time. Since webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD is maintained by Craig and not by the CVS repository, updates should probably be sent to Craig. It is, it used to be database driven (and may be one day in future) but now it is just a plain file that everyone can use. I strongly suspect I have been removed from the cdvendors email alias, I have not seen an email for that alias for months. - Craig -- Craig Small GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/ MIEE Debian developer csmall at : enc.com.au ieee.org debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:09:39PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: Well, I think the other editing the file might haven't seen the statement in the header, like I did ;) It's fine for others to edit it. If no one else volunteers (or has a good idea on how to automate checking the contents for up-to-dateness), I'll try to do that as my time permits to keep that data in good shape. That was one of the reasons putting it into the database was a good idea. I was going to have some monthly email to check it worked. Might be a good idea, to add a log file, which vendor got pinged by whome, and what their reaction and consequence was. That would be the CVS logs. - Craig -- Craig Small GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.enc.com.au/ MIEE Debian developer csmall at : enc.com.au ieee.org debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:05:24PM +1000, Craig Small wrote: Since webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD is maintained by Craig and not by the CVS repository, updates should probably be sent to Craig. It is, it used to be database driven (and may be one day in future) but now it is just a plain file that everyone can use. I'm against going back to a database. Instead, use a text file which can be put into CVS. The database was a problem because nobody apart from you had access to it (and there were times when you were not very responsive) and you were the only one who knew how it was organised. I don't even know on what machine it was. Also, with the right format of the text file (i.e. *not* the way it is now!;-) you have all the advantages of easy processing that you have with a DBMS. I strongly suspect I have been removed from the cdvendors email alias, I have not seen an email for that alias for months. No idea, but note that we removed the address from the web pages at some point; people are now told to send mail to this list. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
Hi! * Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060601 00:28]: Currently we don't have all the data available for that; some vendors sell for example alpha and ia-64 on CD, but i386 only on DVD. And for some vendors Debian got to big: They sell parts of the officla disc sets. I think the DVD-related info is wrong for many entries: Lots of vendors sell DVDs but this is not listed. I'm about to change that, too: $ grep -c DVDtype debian/webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD 4 Just started with it ;) Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://learn.to/quote/ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
Hi! * Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060531 06:32]: I don't think this is true anymore. Based on the CVS logs, it looks like a variety of people have been working on the list, so I think it should be safe for anyone to update it. Well, I think the other editing the file might haven't seen the statement in the header, like I did ;) * Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060530 19:06]: Tolimar informed me that several CD vendors that we list on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ are not reachable by the links we provide. A colleague at work told me that. So I checked the german vendors yesterday (there are two with quite outdated, I pinged both, one mail bounced, the other one said they will update their offerings soon). This shows us an important fact: Checking the URLs is not enough (all german vendors had valid URLs), someone needs to check the content of the URLs too (and I think that can't be automated). Guess that would be my job, since I set the ball rolling... If no one else volunteers (or has a good idea on how to automate checking the contents for up-to-dateness), I'll try to do that as my time permits to keep that data in good shape. Might be a good idea, to add a log file, which vendor got pinged by whome, and what their reaction and consequence was. Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://learn.to/quote/ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 08:09:39PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: If no one else volunteers (or has a good idea on how to automate checking the contents for up-to-dateness), I'll try to do that as my time permits to keep that data in good shape. That would be very cool! We also need a more sane format for the vendor information in vendors.CD. A format similar to Mirrors.masterlist would be nice, and a script which sorts the vendors according to the locale of the language used on the page. Oh, and eliminate spelling out the full shop URL, only create a link, and make the table more compact in the process, and... and... :-) Might be a good idea, to add a log file, which vendor got pinged by whome, and what their reaction and consequence was. IMHO it would be useful if there were two different mechanisms: First, a mail should be sent to vendors at regular intervals, with a link they must click on. If they do not click on the link (i.e. do not read mail sent to their official contact address), then remove them from the list after a while. Second, the Debian CD page should be automatically downloaded. If the current distribution cannot be found (e.g. the string 3.1 rev2 does not occur), then also remove them from the listing after some time. ...or something like that. Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to set this up as part of the regular build of the www pages. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
Hi! * Richard Atterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060531 22:17]: If no one else volunteers (or has a good idea on how to automate checking the contents for up-to-dateness), I'll try to do that as my time permits to keep that data in good shape. That would be very cool! Ugh, that's really a hard job. As said, I really don't know how to automate that, so I do everything by hand. So far I got to the beginning of Australia... We also need a more sane format for the vendor information in vendors.CD. A format similar to Mirrors.masterlist would be nice, and a script which sorts the vendors according to the locale of the language used on the page. Oh, and eliminate spelling out the full shop URL, only create a link, and make the table more compact in the process, and... and... :-) What would be even cooler: The user has a form, where he can specify wher the shipment goes to (you may add your sorting by locale idea here), and chooses which architecure and which kind of medium he would like to have (and perhaps checkboxes for not together with non-free, only official CDs, no vendor releases or perhaps even only pressed nothing burned). After that he get's a list of vendors sorted by his interest: Near vendors on the top, vendors which fullfill his request only partly at the end. Currently we don't have all the data available for that; some vendors sell for example alpha and ia-64 on CD, but i386 only on DVD. And for some vendors Debian got to big: They sell parts of the officla disc sets. Other interesting point about the webpage: It states at the beginning that we mark resellers, but we don't. And actually I'm to lazy to check that, too. So I might just remove that phrase. Might be a good idea, to add a log file, which vendor got pinged by whome, and what their reaction and consequence was. IMHO it would be useful if there were two different mechanisms: First, a mail should be sent to vendors at regular intervals, with a link they must click on. If they do not click on the link (i.e. do not read mail sent to their official contact address), then remove them from the list after a while. That sounds like a good idea. At least we could send them their data by script, asking them if that is still up to date. Second, the Debian CD page should be automatically downloaded. If the current distribution cannot be found (e.g. the string 3.1 rev2 does not occur), then also remove them from the listing after some time. ...or something like that. Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to set this up as part of the regular build of the www pages. It's even more difficult: Some have 3.1r0 DVDs and add upgrade CDs later. Checking for specific srings on the website could become very complicate, since there are to many of them. So far I already saw: 3.1r2 3.1rev2 3.1+Upgrades, 31R2, aktuelle Revision von Sarge, sarge von xx.yy.. As said: I wouldn't to it by hand, if I knew an easy and working way to script it ;) Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://learn.to/quote/ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:12:24PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: What would be even cooler: The user has a form, where he can specify wher the shipment goes to (you may add your sorting by locale idea here), and chooses which architecure and which kind of medium he would like to have (and perhaps checkboxes for not together with non-free, only official CDs, no vendor releases or perhaps even only pressed nothing burned). You could _fully_automatically_ restrict the results to the country that the visitor comes from, by using geoip. :) However, you'll run into trouble setting this up on the Debian servers, where you cannot install a script just like that... IMHO, it's a good idea to first fix the more pressing issue of eliminating stale entries, and keep the static pages for the time being. Currently we don't have all the data available for that; some vendors sell for example alpha and ia-64 on CD, but i386 only on DVD. And for some vendors Debian got to big: They sell parts of the officla disc sets. I think the DVD-related info is wrong for many entries: Lots of vendors sell DVDs but this is not listed. Second, the Debian CD page should be automatically downloaded. If the current distribution cannot be found (e.g. the string 3.1 rev2 does not occur), then also remove them from the listing after some time. ...or something like that. Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to set this up as part of the regular build of the www pages. It's even more difficult: Some have 3.1r0 DVDs and add upgrade CDs later. 3.1r0+upgrade should be listed as 3.1r2 (or whatever is applicable as the result of the upgrade) on our page. Checking for specific srings on the website could become very complicate, since there are to many of them. Oh, IMHO that's not a problem: We have a certain power because an entry on our page means real cash for vendors. So we can just demand: Put that string on your web page or we will not list you. People will get this idea pretty quickly... ;-) Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD vendors to be reviewed
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:06:34PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Tolimar informed me that several CD vendors that we list on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ are not reachable by the links we provide. Somebody[tm] should check the links below that have caused a problem accessing. For some addresses it is clear that the site vanished or that the orientation of the address has changed. Since webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD is maintained by Craig and not by the CVS repository, updates should probably be sent to Craig. I don't think this is true anymore. Based on the CVS logs, it looks like a variety of people have been working on the list, so I think it should be safe for anyone to update it. -- Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
