Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:47:41PM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > In any event, I believe we quote or italicize them on every web page; ~~ > > if not, that can be fixed. > > Debian distribution codenames are uppercase and untagged (Woody, Sarge) when > used in a general sense. The distribution categories (stable, testing, > unstable, frozen) are tagged with when referred to in a general sense: Same difference. I completely agree that they need to be marked because they're otherwise not in the spirit of the language, but I don't want to uppercase them because that's not in the spirit of the context. They can be marked just fine with quoting, italicizing, changing to monospace font and whatnot. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
Hi, this is a topic I have to comment :) On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:36:49AM +0200, Peter Karlsson wrote: > > > Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital > > > letter. > > > > Proper names have capital letters, so I am always writing the release > > names with upper-case letters, and fixing those that I have missed > > earlier. > > > > BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial > > capital is incorrect in the English pages. > > These names are not made according to English literary language. > Even if they were, dictionary tells me proper names are usually > capitalized, not always. > > In any event, I believe we quote or italicize them on every web page; > if not, that can be fixed. I am very aware of Josip's opinion and traditional thoughts expressed on this thread. Despite of this, I use capitalized distribution name in my "Debian Reference". Excuse me :) I was standing on Josip's side initially but my English proof reader disagreed and he insisted as follows. - 1. General Notes [for all languages] Debian distribution codenames are uppercase and untagged (Woody, Sarge) when used in a general sense. The distribution categories (stable, testing, unstable, frozen) are tagged with when referred to in a general sense: Do not track unstable unless you know what you're doing. Use a tag when the reference is to the location of a distribution name on a physical filesystem: Currently, woody/ is a symlink to the stable directory. Currently, woody/ is a symlink to stable/. Note: "woody" is lowercase above because the reference is to a system name. Note that trailing "/" after "woody" to clarify that it is a directory. "stable" in the second example has one, too. But in the first example, where "stable" is explicitly called a directory, the "/" is not required. --- Yes tags (, )are in debiandoic-sgml but any of these tags produce constant pitch fonts which imply they are computer I/O such as sources.list. I see Developer Reference in html uses quoted `woody' too. --- Just curious, how bad is my action :) Osamu
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 02:39:07PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > * Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-09 10:36]: > > BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial > > capital is incorrect in the English pages. > > So, you write the release names with initial capital in your > sources.list, too? Does yours contain /Debian? Denis
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:36:49AM +0200, Peter Karlsson wrote: > Josip Rodin: > > > Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital > > letter. > > Proper names have capital letters, so I am always writing the release > names with upper-case letters, and fixing those that I have missed > earlier. Primary authors decided not to capitalize them. If you disagree, you can file a bugreport, but you must not change this on your translations because all translations have to be consistent. Otherwise these authors will exercise their veto right and remove all Swedish translations from the website. Denis
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:36:49AM +0200, Peter Karlsson wrote: > > Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital > > letter. > > Proper names have capital letters, so I am always writing the release > names with upper-case letters, and fixing those that I have missed > earlier. > > BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial > capital is incorrect in the English pages. These names are not made according to English literary language. Even if they were, dictionary tells me proper names are usually capitalized, not always. In any event, I believe we quote or italicize them on every web page; if not, that can be fixed. > Same as with changing " into ” and -- into – on pages. BTW, has anyone removed the header mass-remover of those yet? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
Gerfried Fuchs: > Yes, but it still might confuse the users. I think it's more confusing to write names without an initial capital letter, so I won't. Besides, those that are confused by that is probably the same people that enter URLs into the Google search field instead of the URL field in their browser. I really hate that I have to click an extra time in Google when I want to search for references to web sites just because of this... -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ I do not read or respond to mail with HTML attachments.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
* Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-09 15:23]: > Gerfried Fuchs: >> So, you write the release names with initial capital in your >> sources.list, too? > > There's a difference between prose and software control information. Yes, but it still might confuse the users. So long, Alfie -- Defaults sind dazu da von DAUs ignoriert zu werden und damit die Support-Stellen (aka #debian.de) zu verwirren. -- #debian.de pgpl2juDdiZXy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
Gerfried Fuchs: > So, you write the release names with initial capital in your > sources.list, too? There's a difference between prose and software control information. -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ I do not read or respond to mail with HTML attachments.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
* Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-09 10:36]: > BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial > capital is incorrect in the English pages. So, you write the release names with initial capital in your sources.list, too? So long, Alfie -- Von uns allen bleibt nur Asche. Nur die DWN wird man in hundert Jahren noch nachlesen koennen. pgpmF2eBZGj8u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:36:49AM +0200, Peter Karlsson wrote: > Josip Rodin: > > Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital > > letter. > > Proper names have capital letters, so I am always writing the release > names with upper-case letters, and fixing those that I have missed > earlier. > > BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial > capital is incorrect in the English pages. It's not conventional English grammar, but it's universal usage and correct in context. Unix is case-sensitive. :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
Josip Rodin: > Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital > letter. Proper names have capital letters, so I am always writing the release names with upper-case letters, and fixing those that I have missed earlier. BTW, I also believe the usage of the release names without initial capital is incorrect in the English pages. > Of course, if Swedish doesn't allow such things, fine, but that begs > the question, why wasn't this change done earlier... It's a gradual change, I've been changing the pages I find the old usage (lower-case initial letter) since quite a while back (not always noting it in the log). Same as with changing " into ” and -- into – on pages. I don't want to do a mass-commit just because of it, so I do it while doing other changes. -- \\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ I do not read or respond to mail with HTML attachments.
Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by peterk: webwml/swedish/distrib archive.wml
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:04:06PM -0600, Debian WWW CVS wrote: > CVSROOT: /cvs/webwml > Module name: webwml > Changes by: peterk 03/09/08 07:04:06 > > Modified files: > swedish/distrib: archive.wml > > Log message: > Sync: potato now in the archive (1.5) > > Re-wrote to use initial capital letter for all release names. Please note that the proper name of a release doesn't have a capital letter. They are italicized for that very purpose. Of course, if Swedish doesn't allow such things, fine, but that begs the question, why wasn't this change done earlier... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
