Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Hi!

 [cc list stripped down, my answer is only relevant to debian-www]
Btw., no need to Cc me and mail to debian-www; I read debian-www, so
mailing there is sufficient. I am not sure about you, though.

* Mejo Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-18 17:12]:
> Thanks for the reply. I noticed this problem earlier. There should 
> always be a backup if one of you cannot do your job, it shouldn't be 
> stuck up.

 Of course. And I guess it will be done. But it can't reasonably done
without Craigs help and assistance to setup redundancy.

> Some of the links of cd vendors page are broken and some emails bounce 
> back. I think that the cd vendors page is completely 
> unmaintained(because of any above mentioned problems).

 If you say which links (including mailto: ones) are broken we
(debian-www) can resolve it. Unless they are in the vendors *list* (not
the whole page, only the list itself).

> If your policy allows, I can maintain the page by checking the links 
> regularly, and adding new vendors as required.

 Any hint on broken links would be appreciated, and that is not limited
to the vendors pages. About adding new vendors: Like I said I don't know
on which host the database is running (I think I remember it is one
Craig runs himself) so that part is out of reach.

> Please let me know how else I can help Debian.

 , if you want to help
with the website. There are of course other things that need attention
too, not only the website. But I am not sure where to point you
additionally because I don't know your skill level.

 So long,
Alfie
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gerne auf Linus umsteigen und dazu hätte mich interessiert ob es ein
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Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Mejo Jose]

Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

  From what I know Craig Small is the only person able to change the data

from which the vendors page is generated. It might be that he currently
doesn't have that much time -- after all we are all just volunteers. I
know that it would be a good idea to have some "backup" for Craig so
others might be able to help in cases where he is absent (might be in
case of vacation, illness or whatever), and I guess eventually it will
happen.



Thanks for the reply. I noticed this problem earlier. There should 
always be a backup if one of you cannot do your job, it shouldn't be 
stuck up.


Some of the links of cd vendors page are broken and some emails bounce 
back. I think that the cd vendors page is completely 
unmaintained(because of any above mentioned problems).


If your policy allows, I can maintain the page by checking the links 
regularly, and adding new vendors as required.


Please let me know how else I can help Debian.

Thanks and regards,
Mejo

Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Hi!

* Mejo Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-18 16:11]:
> Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>>  Please read .
> 
> I have read it 100 times and tried to contact all the people I could 
> think of helping me. This is what I send earlier to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm sorry, then. Would have been a good idea to mention it in the first
place to avoid such answers, you just said you sent mail to "some
addresses"...

 From what I know Craig Small is the only person able to change the data
from which the vendors page is generated. It might be that he currently
doesn't have that much time -- after all we are all just volunteers. I
know that it would be a good idea to have some "backup" for Craig so
others might be able to help in cases where he is absent (might be in
case of vacation, illness or whatever), and I guess eventually it will
happen. It isn't there currently, though, sorry (at least AFAIK -- from
looking at the getvendors.pl it seems that it gets the data from a
PostgreSQL database, but I have no idea where that runs and who else
might have write access).

 It's like this: I could add it by hand to the file, but that wouldn't
help you much because it would be overwritten again because its not in
the database.

 Sorry that I can't help you any further here.
Alfie
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falschen Hals, obwohl er nicht unfreundlich gemeint ist. Wenn sie dann
eine zeitlang selbst aktiv dabei sind, haben sie sich den gleichen
Schreibstil angewöhnt." (Christian Treffler in de.soc.netzkultur)


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Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Mejo Jose]

Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

> * Mejo Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-17 17:08]:
>
>>Whom should I contact in order to get listed on Debian cd vendors page?
>>Please let me know. I have sent mails to a few guys at Debian, still
>>there's no reply.
>
>
>  Please read .


I have read it 100 times and tried to contact all the people I could 
think of helping me. This is what I send earlier to [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Hi,

I am the maintainer of http://linux.mejokj.com which distributes cds of 
Linux distributions -INCLUDING DEBIAN, of course and Open Source 
Software in India. This is my third mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking 
them if it is possible to list me in the Debian cd vendors page( 
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ ) and I haven't got a response from 
them yet. Infact, there's just one cd vendor in India listed and they 
are selling Hurd based cds only, which is difficult to install for an 
average user. I tried sending a mail to them but it bounced back.


Thanks and regards,
Mejo

This is the information required to get listed in the Debian Cd vendor 
page( http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding ) :



   * Vendor Name - Linux.Mejokj.com
   * URL of Vendor - http://linux.mejokj.com
   * Whether or not you donate some of the sale to Debian- I would like
 to do that, but I don't know to.
   * Type of CDs sold (see at the top of page for details) - Official
 Debian 1386 binary
   * Country you are in - India
   * Do you ship orders overseas ("yes", "no", "some areas" or "within
 Europe")- Yes
   * URL of a web page that has information about your Debian CDs -
 http://linux.mejokj.com/debian.htm
   * Email address for sales enquiries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   * What architectures your CDs are for. - i386 only.

Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Gerfried Fuchs]

* Mejo Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-17 17:08]:
> Whom should I contact in order to get listed on Debian cd vendors page? 
> Please let me know. I have sent mails to a few guys at Debian, still 
> there's no reply.

 Please read .

 So long,
Alfie
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"ssh" verwendet wird bzw. was das überhaupt ist.  Ich kenn die csh, die ksh und
bash und deren (leichte) Unterschiede - aber keine ssh.
  -- Erich Aigner in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Mejo Jose]

Richard Atterer wrote:


On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:52:34PM +0100, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote:


I didn't know were to send this, so as the changes are related to debian-cd
I'm posting it here with the aim that somebody with powers to modify the web
can do it.



I'm the sort-of-maintainer of the pages under /CD/, but you had better CC
debian-www in the future (CCd now), in case I'm not around or busy. 
Comments on my changes are welcome.


Whom should I contact in order to get listed on Debian cd vendors page? 
Please let me know. I have sent mails to a few guys at Debian, still 
there's no reply.


Thanks & Regards,

Mejo Jose
http://linux.mejokj.com

Re: changes to Debian's web page

[Richard Atterer]

On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:52:34PM +0100, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote:
> I didn't know were to send this, so as the changes are related to debian-cd
> I'm posting it here with the aim that somebody with powers to modify the web
> can do it.

I'm the sort-of-maintainer of the pages under /CD/, but you had better CC
debian-www in the future (CCd now), in case I'm not around or busy. 
Comments on my changes are welcome.

> These are changes that I believe should be done because of the changes in
> the cd image production that we've had lately, there are new images like
> dvd, and also some paths have changed, I'm noting the web page and then
> the changes I suggest:
> 
> 
> http://www.debian.org/distrib/
> 
> Maybe a note about the DVD images should be put here.

I'll leave this to someone else. (Haven't CVS checked out that part of the
website.)

> http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
> 
> In "Are DVD images of Debian available?" section: we should modify the
> paragraph where we state that "only unofficial DVD images for..."
> to state that there are official DVD images for "testing".

  At the moment, only unofficial DVD images for the "unstable"
  release and official ones for the "testing" release can be
  downloaded.

> In "Where are the CDs for architecture X?" section: I think that the first
> two paragraphs should be rebuilt into one where we don't mention the stable
> distro as in the link we are using for the stable distro we also have links
> for testing, also, I plan to remove cdimage-unofficial.debian.net in the
> near future, so it is better if we can remove it now.

OK, removed the reference to cdimage-unofficial.debian.net. The first
bullet looks OK to me like that, so I've added another bullet about testing 
images:

  If a Debian port to a new architecture exists, but has not
  yet been released officially, CD images may or may not be
  available. Again, see the "Debian on CD" page - in
  contrast to stable images, only one download option may be
  supported, so have a look at both the "jigdo" and "HTTP/FTP"
  sections.

> In "The software on the official CDs is outdated - why don't you release a
> new version?" section: the last paragraph should be rewritten to let people
> know that there is also official testing cds and dvds, and maybe add a link
> so that people can find the jigdo images.

Right - that paragraph was written when only Attila made testing snapshots. 
But being lazy, all I did was remove the "unofficial":   ;-)

  Alternatively, try out the CD images of "testing"
  that are generated automatically every week. However, note that
  there is no support for security problems for "testing" -
  in extreme cases, several weeks can go by before security holes
  are fixed. Do not use "testing" for servers!

> http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/
> 
> The link for the cd jigdos should now point to 
> http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/cd/jigdo-area/
> in here:
> 
>   * Official jigdo files for the "testing" distribution on CD (all
> architectures, regenerated weekly)

Changed.

> http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
> 
> We are announcing the unofficial dvd images even though they are only
> available through jigdo, while the official ones, available the same way at
> http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/dvd/ are not announced.

This short list of "see below"/"only with jigdo" is there because you can
tell from the access logs that most people go straight to the "HTTP/FTP"
page without reading the rest of the CD/DVD-related info. If the list
weren't there, those people would not be aware that some types of images
are only available via jigdo.

I've added an extra item for official testing DVD images. I've also removed
the info "all arches"/"i386 only" because it is out of date.

> More enfasis on the official images, even though the only ones we have
> available without jigdo are the netinst ones (I think that the netinst
> images should be announced in this page having a link to the netinst page
> from this one).

TBH, I'm a bit ashamed of the state of the netinst page. We have
- a couple of unofficial, fairly outdated images
- official, but still quite beta images

There is no "end-user support" for either of these - AIUI, the beta 
installer netinst images are really just to test out the new installer, and 
the debian-boot folks will not be delighted to answer mails of first-time 
Linux users having trouble.

So IMHO at the moment telling people to use the netinst images is not 
advisable because quite a few users will be frustrated by the current state 
of things. Just my 2¢€...

> remove:
> Another group of people in Spain [...]

Done.

Cheers,

  Richard

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