Debian-www!

[Kimberly]

Debian-www hi. Here is my email.

Bug#680109: marked as done (www.debian.org: CD Vendor List: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published)

[Debian Bug Tracking System]

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regarding www.debian.org: CD Vendor List: Missing note that e-mails to 
debian-www@lists.debian.org are published
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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: normal

Hi,

on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors it says that if there are problems with the 
vendor, one
should contact debian-www@lists.debian.org. Mr. Meichert did so and then 
wondered why we published 
his e-mail on the Internet [1].

To avoid such confusion in the future, I suggest that we either add a note that 
all mail to this address 
is publicly stored in the mail archive and one should not send personal 
information there. Or we 
set a link to http://www.debian.org/contact which also features this note, plus 
the disclaimer.

For myself, I'd prefer a mixture of both, a note about the archive and personal 
data and a link to the 
contact page with a request to read it (the disclaimer).

What do you think about it?

Greetings
Erik


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2012/07/msg00010.html (German)

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Bug#1009253: marked as done (www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead)

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to the contact page instead
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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: important

I would like to remove the debian-www list from the footer, since it
tends to attract off-topic mails about things other than the Debian
website from people who email the first address they find.

It would be better if those mails would be directed to the right place
in the first place, so that debian-www readers don't have to redirect
the user support requests to debian-user, package issues to bugs etc.

I believe that the existing Debian contact page does a reasonable job
of directing people to the right place for their query. There is
certainly room for improvement (for eg it partially duplicates the
support page but doesn't link to it) but that can happen in a new bug.

   https://www.debian.org/contact

I suggest we replace this text:

   To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
   archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
   For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.

With text similar to this:

   Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.

I haven't been able to come up with any good text that doesn't seem
repetitive, so I am hoping someone else can come up with it, or perhaps
we should discuss this on the debian-l10n-english mailing list.

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Bug#895624: marked as done (debian-www: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ entreats users to install Testing incorrectly)

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users to install Testing incorrectly
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Package: debian-www
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,

The page https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ says: "To install 
Debian testing, we recommend you use the Buster Alpha 2 release of the 
installer, after checking its errata."

The general recommended way as I understand it to install testing is just to 
upgrade the system from a minimal stable install; in my opinion consider 
removing that section from the website, even with the errata the installer can 
be broken in ways not listed. Which is fine, if the goal is to test the 
installer, but as I said, a more foolproof way is likely to just upgrade from a 
minimal stable. 

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Sure, you can also upgrade from a stable installation to testing, but
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Link to debian-www@lists.debian.org

[peter]

Hello Debian Web site editors,

Imagine you are at https://www.debian.org .

Link "User Support" leads to a page where link "Wiki" connects to 
wiki.debian.org

Please consider adding on the front page a link directly to 
wiki.debian.org.  A link can easily fit under "User Support".

Thanks,... Peter E.



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Re: translations needed: bug #1009253 remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Laura Arjona Reina]

thanks for the translations already present!
A correction in my instructions:

El 12 de mayo de 2022 23:39:25 CEST, Laura Arjona Reina  
escribió:
 How to do it:
>
>* Update your local repo (git pull)
>* Go to your language/po folder and do "update-po"

Go to your language/po folder and run "make update-po"

>* Complete the translation in templates.po file
>* Commit changes (thanks!)
>
sorry for the missed "make"
Thanks again!

Kind regards

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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 09:35 +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:

>       See our [contact page] to get in touch.

Thanks! We ended up going with this one. I have credited you in the
commit message. The change is committed to git and we are getting
translations updated before we rebuild the website with the new footer.

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Re: translations needed: bug #1009253 remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Luna Jernberg]

Hej!

Here is a Swedish translation before i go to bed:

Se vår kontaktsida för att kontakta
oss. Webbplatsens källkod är https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml";>tillgänglig.

Feel free to commit it at the right place

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:40 PM Laura Arjona Reina 
wrote:

> Dear translators
> Thanks Paul Wise and Justin B. Rye, we have updated the website footer to
> change the contact address in the from debian-www to the contact page, in
> order to help people ask in the right place (bug #1009253, commit
> https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/39793d99332303af2dc56ed4b1a556019997bb86
> ).
>
> We would need translations of the new string. How to do it:
>
> * Update your local repo (git pull)
> * Go to your language/po folder and do "update-po"
> * Complete the translation in templates.po file
> * Commit changes (thanks!)
>
> Since the footer is used in almost all the pages, the website build has
> been stopped until we get some translations, so we avoid several
> consecutive long builds (one for each translation if they don't arrive
> together).
>
> I hope we get at least 3-4 languages during this time, and then activate
> the cron job to do the builds maybe around noon UTC.
>
> Note: if your language has no active translator group or coordinator but
> you want to help, just reply this mail to debian-www with your the name of
> the language and translation. The sentence is quite short: "See our
> [contact page] to get in touch. Web site source code is [available]."
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Laura Arjona Reina
> https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona
>
>

translations needed: bug #1009253 remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Dear translators
Thanks Paul Wise and Justin B. Rye, we have updated the website footer to 
change the contact address in the from debian-www to the contact page, in order 
to help people ask in the right place (bug #1009253, commit 
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/39793d99332303af2dc56ed4b1a556019997bb86).

We would need translations of the new string. How to do it:

* Update your local repo (git pull)
* Go to your language/po folder and do "update-po"
* Complete the translation in templates.po file
* Commit changes (thanks!)

Since the footer is used in almost all the pages, the website build has been 
stopped until we get some translations, so we avoid several consecutive long 
builds (one for each translation if they don't arrive together).

I hope we get at least 3-4 languages during this time, and then activate the 
cron job to do the builds maybe around noon UTC.

Note: if your language has no active translator group or coordinator but you want to 
help, just reply this mail to debian-www with your the name of the language and 
translation. The sentence is quite short: "See our [contact page] to get in touch. 
Web site source code is [available]."

Thanks!
--
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https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona

Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Justin B Rye]

Paul Wise wrote:
> Hi debian-l10n-english folks,
> 
> I'm looking for advice on how to reword the footer on the Debian
> website. I want to drop debian-www from the contact information in the
> website footer, directing people to the contact page on the website
> instead, which should empower them to find a better contact for their
> enquiry rather than defaulting to the debian-www mailing list.
> 
> Everything I have come up with seems a bit awkward or repetitive to me,
> so I am hoping someone on this list can come up with something better.
> 
> The proposal is in #1009253 and quoted below.
> 
[...]
>> I suggest we replace this text:
>> 
>>    To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
>>    archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
>>    For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.
>> 
>> With text similar to this:
>> 
>>    Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.

I think my top solution is:

      For information about how to get in touch, see our [contact page].

I spent a while trying to find ways of keeping a theme of "to report
problems, or..." (flagging up the "appropriate channels" part), but
really the simpler it is the better it meshes with the emphasis on
Debian as a friendly community.  You might even want:

      See our [contact page] to get in touch.

-- 
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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Paul Wise]

Hi debian-l10n-english folks,

I'm looking for advice on how to reword the footer on the Debian
website. I want to drop debian-www from the contact information in the
website footer, directing people to the contact page on the website
instead, which should empower them to find a better contact for their
enquiry rather than defaulting to the debian-www mailing list.

Everything I have come up with seems a bit awkward or repetitive to me,
so I am hoping someone on this list can come up with something better.

The proposal is in #1009253 and quoted below.

On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 09:21 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:

> Package: www.debian.org
> Severity: important
> 
> I would like to remove the debian-www list from the footer, since it
> tends to attract off-topic mails about things other than the Debian
> website from people who email the first address they find.
> 
> It would be better if those mails would be directed to the right place
> in the first place, so that debian-www readers don't have to redirect
> the user support requests to debian-user, package issues to bugs etc.
> 
> I believe that the existing Debian contact page does a reasonable job
> of directing people to the right place for their query. There is
> certainly room for improvement (for eg it partially duplicates the
> support page but doesn't link to it) but that can happen in a new bug.
> 
>    https://www.debian.org/contact
> 
> I suggest we replace this text:
> 
>    To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
>    archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
>    For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.
> 
> With text similar to this:
> 
>    Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.
> 
> I haven't been able to come up with any good text that doesn't seem
> repetitive, so I am hoping someone else can come up with it, or perhaps
> we should discuss this on the debian-l10n-english mailing list.

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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

[Paul Wise]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: important

I would like to remove the debian-www list from the footer, since it
tends to attract off-topic mails about things other than the Debian
website from people who email the first address they find.

It would be better if those mails would be directed to the right place
in the first place, so that debian-www readers don't have to redirect
the user support requests to debian-user, package issues to bugs etc.

I believe that the existing Debian contact page does a reasonable job
of directing people to the right place for their query. There is
certainly room for improvement (for eg it partially duplicates the
support page but doesn't link to it) but that can happen in a new bug.

   https://www.debian.org/contact

I suggest we replace this text:

   To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
   archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
   For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.

With text similar to this:

   Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.

I haven't been able to come up with any good text that doesn't seem
repetitive, so I am hoping someone else can come up with it, or perhaps
we should discuss this on the debian-l10n-english mailing list.

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Re: First email to debian www page team

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:17 PM Albert Yeh wrote:

> I've browsed the debian webpage for... hours trying to find out what I can do 
> to assist.

The general overview of what options are available is here:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

> A lot of this is overwhelming or very hard to decide on where to start.

The debian-mentors IRC channel and mailing list can provide more
specific suggestions, based on your interests outside Debian and
outside technology and the skills you have already or would like to
learn through contributing to Debian. Probably we need to explain that
on the help page. Others have explained how to contribute to the
website, would you like to make that your first contribution to
Debian? If you need help feel free to ask on this list, or the
#debian-www IRC channel.

> I tried helping with man-pages but a lot of it comes from the upstream 
> packages.

Helping add documentation to upstream projects is a great way to
contribute too, although each upstream project has a different way to
contribute.

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Re: First email to debian www page team

[Wouter Verhelst]

Hi Albert,

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 01:16:35PM -0700, Albert Yeh wrote:
>Hi All,
> 
>I'm Albert and getting my master's in CS. I've browsed the debian webpage
>for... hours trying to find out what I can do to assist. Alot of this is
>overwhelming or very hard to decide on where to start. I tried helping
>with man-pages but alot of it comes from the upstream packages.  I thought
>id try something with a little less expertise. Having browsed around, I
>found this page:
>https://www.debian.org/devel/website/todo
>Even this page itself could use some reorg to present the information a
>bit better. 
>If i wanted to present it in a cleaner more presentable format, what would
>be my first step to making a contribution to the debian team.

The source code of the website is at


You're always welcome to fork that, make changes that you think would
make things clearer, and file a merge request.

Thanks for wanting to contribute!

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Re: First email to debian www page team

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Albert!

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 13:16:35 -0700
Albert Yeh  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I'm Albert and getting my master's in CS. I've browsed the debian webpage
> for... hours trying to find out what I can do to assist. Alot of this is
> overwhelming or very hard to decide on where to start. I tried helping with
> man-pages but alot of it comes from the upstream packages.  I thought id
> try something with a little less expertise. Having browsed around, I found
> this page:
> https://www.debian.org/devel/website/todo
> Even this page itself could use some reorg to present the information a bit
> better.
> If i wanted to present it in a cleaner more presentable format, what would
> be my first step to making a contribution to the debian team.
> 

The source for that page appears to be here:

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/blob/master/english/devel/website/todo.wml

You can try sending merge requests to it, or at least voicing whatever faults
you find in that page.

Please "reply all".

> Thanks,
> 
> Albert



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First email to debian www page team

[Albert Yeh]

Hi All,

I'm Albert and getting my master's in CS. I've browsed the debian webpage
for... hours trying to find out what I can do to assist. Alot of this is
overwhelming or very hard to decide on where to start. I tried helping with
man-pages but alot of it comes from the upstream packages.  I thought id
try something with a little less expertise. Having browsed around, I found
this page:
https://www.debian.org/devel/website/todo
Even this page itself could use some reorg to present the information a bit
better.
If i wanted to present it in a cleaner more presentable format, what would
be my first step to making a contribution to the debian team.

Thanks,

Albert

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4. We are running Debian on one of our workstation. We decided to work on
Debian because we find it very usefull and handy.

Re: Dealing with the spam on the debian-www list

[황병희]

> What do you think? Is this the right thing to do?

Usally i see all messages via Gmane NNTP so i have no stress with spam
things. Just personal opinion.

Sincerely,

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Re: Dealing with the spam on the debian-www list

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:11:32PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> I know I'm not the only one getting sick of the moron spammers
> flooding this mailing list. There's so much garbage from so many
> idiots that it's a struggle to filter them out effectively.
> 
> So, I've spoken to the listmaster team about making this list
> "moderated" rather than "open". What does that mean? Mails from
> subscribers would go through to the list; mails from non-subscribers
> would be held back for moderation by humans. We'd need some
> responsible people to act as moderators, and I volunteer to help
> here. Carsten also volunteered on IRC, and I'm thinking a third person
> would be enough to give us good coverage.
> 
> We don't have *very* much genuine traffic on the list - a quick skim
> through the archives from the last few months shows the following
> *rough* count:
> 
>ham   spam
> September 2019  48 27
> October 201962 19
> November 2019   75 17
> December 2019 (so far)  33 23
> 
> What do you think? Is this the right thing to do?
> 

Given the low signal-to-noise ratio, your suggestion definitely seems
like the right thing to do.

Regards,

-Roberto
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Dealing with the spam on the debian-www list

[Steve McIntyre]

Hey folks,

I know I'm not the only one getting sick of the moron spammers
flooding this mailing list. There's so much garbage from so many
idiots that it's a struggle to filter them out effectively.

So, I've spoken to the listmaster team about making this list
"moderated" rather than "open". What does that mean? Mails from
subscribers would go through to the list; mails from non-subscribers
would be held back for moderation by humans. We'd need some
responsible people to act as moderators, and I volunteer to help
here. Carsten also volunteered on IRC, and I'm thinking a third person
would be enough to give us good coverage.

We don't have *very* much genuine traffic on the list - a quick skim
through the archives from the last few months shows the following
*rough* count:

   ham   spam
September 2019  48 27
October 201962 19
November 2019   75 17
December 2019 (so far)  33 23

What do you think? Is this the right thing to do?

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Bug#192748: marked as done (Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL)

[Debian Bug Tracking System]

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with message-id <23855.31238.368950.288...@informatik.uni-koeln.de>
and subject line closing
has caused the Debian Bug report #192748,
regarding Debian WWW Pages License is incompatible with the GNU GPL
to be marked as done.

This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Debian WWW Pages are distributed under the Open Publication
License.  However, it is incompatible with the GNU GPL.

I hope that the Debian WWW Pages will be clearly free and
compatible with the GNU GPL.

See also debian-legal archive:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200305/threads.html#3

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compatible with the GPL. The other license issue related to this bug
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Re: Confidential For You - debian-www@lists.debian.org

[Barrister Ben D Annan Esq]

 Dear debian-www

Here I brought a potential Business Proposal at your door step 
for consideration. Get back to me If you are interested.

Respectfully,
Barrister Ben D Annan Esq

Bug#887992: marked as done (debian-www: filelist misses files: debian-edu-config contains bogus file /usr/share/man/man1/.1.gz)

[Debian Bug Tracking System]

Your message dated Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:38:42 +0200
with message-id <20181018133842.ga18...@anguilla.debian.or.at>
and subject line filelist working again
has caused the Debian Bug report #887992,
regarding debian-www: filelist misses files: debian-edu-config contains bogus 
file /usr/share/man/man1/.1.gz
to be marked as done.

This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith.

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--- Begin Message ---
package: www.debian.org

Hi,

I've filed this as #887990 (against debian-edu-config) and now I'm filing this
bug against www.debian.org as
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/debian-edu-config/filelist should
show all files... 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:53:59PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Package: debian-edu-config
> Version: 1.947
> Severity: normal
> 
> hi,
> 
> $ dpkg --contents debian-edu-config_1.947_all.deb|grep 1.gz
> -rw-r--r-- root/root   392 2018-01-21 17:29 ./usr/share/man/man1/.1.gz
> -rw-r--r-- root/root   392 2018-01-21 17:29 
> ./usr/share/man/man1/update-ini-file.1.gz
> 
> this can also be seen with apt-file but strangely not on
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/debian-edu-config/filelist
> (the latter might be a seperate bug against debian-www)


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  Hey,

 sorry for the large delay in addressing this.  This seems to be an
issue since the change of the Contents files to by-hash symlinks, which
seems to have been done July 2017 because the filelists db files got
last updated back then.

 Given that the safeguard in the parsing script was doesn't apply anmore
since the removal of wheezy, removing the symlink check in there was the
sane move: https://deb.li/S6tc

 Sorry for any inconvenience this caused, and that it took so long to
get it fixed. :/

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by gusnan: webwml japanese/security/2013/dsa-2665.wml swe ...

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:38 PM, STEPHANIE MANZANO wrote:

> HELP! how do i unsubscribe.

Enter your email here, click unsubscribe and reply to the confirmation mails.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/
https://lists.debian.org/debian-www-cvs/

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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by gusnan: webwml japanese/security/2013/dsa-2665.wml swe ...

[STEPHANIE MANZANO]

HELP! how do i unsubscribe.

~Seriously confused.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Debian WWW CVS 
wrote:

> CVSROOT:/cvs/webwml
> Module name:webwml
> Changes by: gusnan  18/03/10 23:47:52
>
> Added files:
> japanese/security/2013: dsa-2665.wml
>
> Log message:
> dsa-2665 translated by victory
>
> Added files:
> swedish/security/2018: dsa-4134.wml
>
> Log message:
> Initial Swedish translation
>
>

Re: Account creation failed: Error 700: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues.

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> I tried to create an account on 

I've just whitelisted your email now so things should work OK if you
try to register again. Please let us know if you have any problems.

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Account creation failed: Error 700: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues.

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi Debian-Team,

I tried to create an account on <https://wiki.debian.org/> because
I want to update the page
<https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/stretch>

But I get always the error:

Account creation failed: Error 700: please contact
    debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues.

Can you solv this please

However, I have Stretch installed and:

1) Switch to External Screen

   BUT ONLY, IF the External Monitot is => 1280x800 pixel.
   It does definitively not work with Asus, HP and Samsung
   monitors with 1366x768 pixel. Maybe it is a Xorg problem

2) Modem

   Is working perfectly on /dev/ttyS0 togeter with an US Robotics
   i-Modem (external ISDN Modem)

3) Wireless/Wifi

   Even with Non-Free Firmware it is not working.

4) Keyboard's Hotkeys

   Working mostly, however:
   a) Fn+F2 (Lock)
  Has no function
   b) Fn+F3 (Battery symbol)
  Has no function
   c) Fn+F4 (moon symbol)
  Stretch fell asleep and can not more woke up.
   d) Fn+F8 (I do not know what this is)
  Has no function
   e) Fn+F12 (Suspend to Disk)
  Not tried it yet, because Hibernation and Suspend
  has the same effect as c)

Thanks in avance

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GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400

Bug#887992: debian-www: filelist misses files: debian-edu-config contains bogus file /usr/share/man/man1/.1.gz

[Holger Levsen]

package: www.debian.org

Hi,

I've filed this as #887990 (against debian-edu-config) and now I'm filing this
bug against www.debian.org as
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/debian-edu-config/filelist should
show all files... 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:53:59PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Package: debian-edu-config
> Version: 1.947
> Severity: normal
> 
> hi,
> 
> $ dpkg --contents debian-edu-config_1.947_all.deb|grep 1.gz
> -rw-r--r-- root/root   392 2018-01-21 17:29 ./usr/share/man/man1/.1.gz
> -rw-r--r-- root/root   392 2018-01-21 17:29 
> ./usr/share/man/man1/update-ini-file.1.gz
> 
> this can also be seen with apt-file but strangely not on
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/debian-edu-config/filelist
> (the latter might be a seperate bug against debian-www)


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[Paul Wise]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Andrea Varga wrote:

>

To report a problem with the web site...



Did you have a problem you would like to report?

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Re: [debian-www] Please add mips64el to stretch and add pages for buster

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Niels Thykier wrote:

> Here are two updated patches.

Committed.

Removed some trailing whitespace and moved your name to Patch-by.

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Re: [debian-www] Please add mips64el to stretch and add pages for buster

[Emilio Pozuelo Monfort]

On 05/02/17 20:47, Niels Thykier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have made two patches for:
>  * Adding mips64el as a release architecture for stretch

powerpc needs to be commented out.

Cheers,
Emilio

>  * Adding pages for buster under www.d.o/releases/buster
>(also adds a version for stretch to fix a minor visual
> glitch in some pages)
> 
> Please review and commit these patches. :)
> 
> Thanks,
> ~Niels
> 

Re: [debian-www] Please add mips64el to stretch and add pages for buster

[Niels Thykier]

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort:
> On 05/02/17 20:47, Niels Thykier wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have made two patches for:
>>  * Adding mips64el as a release architecture for stretch
> 
> powerpc needs to be commented out.
> 
> Cheers,
> Emilio
> 
>

Indeed, thanks for catching that.

Here are two updated patches.

Thanks,
~Niels

>From b798fead55a2c20a1850700e7f3f845d0de46bb2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Niels Thykier 
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:33:24 +
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] release.data: Add mips64el and remove powerpc

Signed-off-by: Niels Thykier 
---
 english/releases/stretch/release.data | 3 ++-
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/english/releases/stretch/release.data b/english/releases/stretch/release.data
index b38609155..cbdd31256 100644
--- a/english/releases/stretch/release.data
+++ b/english/releases/stretch/release.data
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 	amd64,
 	i386,
 	armel,
-	powerpc,
+#	powerpc,
 	armhf,
 #	sparc,
 #	'kfreebsd-amd64',
@@ -25,6 +25,7 @@
 	arm64,
 	ppc64el,
 #	ppc64,
+	mips64el,
 );
 
 # list of languages install manual is translated to
-- 
2.11.0

>From dc7d73ec9f7089d1768b034bf091e1fca22218b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Niels Thykier 
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:48:51 +
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Add releases/buster to the website

There are forward links in the releases/stretch websites that activate
when stretch is marked as the stable release.

Signed-off-by: Niels Thykier 
---
 english/releases/Makefile  |   2 +-
 english/releases/buster/Makefile   |  21 +++
 english/releases/buster/credits.wml|  13 ++
 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile  |  13 ++
 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml | 191 +
 english/releases/buster/errata.wml |  74 
 english/releases/buster/index.wml  |  92 ++
 english/releases/buster/installmanual.wml  |  44 +
 english/releases/buster/release.data   |  89 ++
 english/releases/buster/releasenotes.wml   |  41 +
 english/releases/buster/reportingbugs.wml  |  49 ++
 english/template/debian/release_info.wml   |   4 +
 12 files changed, 632 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/Makefile
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/credits.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/errata.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/index.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/installmanual.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/release.data
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/releasenotes.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/reportingbugs.wml

diff --git a/english/releases/Makefile b/english/releases/Makefile
index 1fb554361..cf022077f 100644
--- a/english/releases/Makefile
+++ b/english/releases/Makefile
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 
 WMLBASE=..
 CUR_DIR=releases
-SUBS=hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch sid
+SUBS=hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch buster sid
 
 include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang
 
diff --git a/english/releases/buster/Makefile b/english/releases/buster/Makefile
new file mode 100644
index 0..744ff3b4d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/english/releases/buster/Makefile
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+# If this makefile is not generic enough to support a translation,
+# please contact debian-www.
+
+WMLBASE=../..
+CUR_DIR=releases/buster
+SUBS=debian-installer
+
+include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang
+
+index.$(LANGUAGE).html: index.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml
+
+releasenotes.$(LANGUAGE).html: releasenotes.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/arches.data \
+  $(wildcard $(HTMLDIR)/*/release-notes*)
+
+installmanual.$(LANGUAGE).html: installmanual.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/arches.data \
+  $(wildcard $(HTMLDIR)/*/install*)
diff --git a/english/releases/buster/credits.wml b/english/releases/buster/credits.wml
new file mode 100644
index 0..aca17b4ac
--- /dev/null
+++ b/english/releases/buster/credits.wml
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+#use wml::debian::template title="Debian 10 -- Credits (or Blame)" BARETITLE=true
+
+Release management
+
+This release of Debian was managed by Emilio Pozuelo Monfort and
+Niels Thykier, with the assistance of Adam D. Barratt, Cyril
+Brulebois, Julien Cristau, Mehdi Dogguy, Philipp Kern, Ivo De Decker
+and Jonathan Wiltshire.
+
+The rest of Debian
+
+The developers and everyone else
+who contributed.
diff --git a/english/

[debian-www] Please add mips64el to stretch and add pages for buster

[Niels Thykier]

Hi,

I have made two patches for:
 * Adding mips64el as a release architecture for stretch
 * Adding pages for buster under www.d.o/releases/buster
   (also adds a version for stretch to fix a minor visual
glitch in some pages)

Please review and commit these patches. :)

Thanks,
~Niels

From 7650d11dbd08bacef4ba0be5c8e7f88648d70c2f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Niels Thykier 
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:33:24 +
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] release.data: Add mips64el

Signed-off-by: Niels Thykier 
---
 english/releases/stretch/release.data | 1 +
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)

diff --git a/english/releases/stretch/release.data b/english/releases/stretch/release.data
index b38609155..3ba53b16b 100644
--- a/english/releases/stretch/release.data
+++ b/english/releases/stretch/release.data
@@ -25,6 +25,7 @@
 	arm64,
 	ppc64el,
 #	ppc64,
+	mips64el,
 );
 
 # list of languages install manual is translated to
-- 
2.11.0

From c6c3b814df1182f1c523fe11653e2fdc5b94c834 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Niels Thykier 
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:48:51 +
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Add releases/buster to the website

There are forward links in the releases/stretch websites that activate
when stretch is marked as the stable release.

Signed-off-by: Niels Thykier 
---
 english/releases/Makefile  |   2 +-
 english/releases/buster/Makefile   |  21 +++
 english/releases/buster/credits.wml|  13 ++
 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile  |  13 ++
 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml | 191 +
 english/releases/buster/errata.wml |  74 
 english/releases/buster/index.wml  |  92 ++
 english/releases/buster/installmanual.wml  |  44 +
 english/releases/buster/release.data   |  89 ++
 english/releases/buster/releasenotes.wml   |  41 +
 english/releases/buster/reportingbugs.wml  |  49 ++
 english/template/debian/release_info.wml   |   4 +
 12 files changed, 632 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/Makefile
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/credits.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/errata.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/index.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/installmanual.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/release.data
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/releasenotes.wml
 create mode 100644 english/releases/buster/reportingbugs.wml

diff --git a/english/releases/Makefile b/english/releases/Makefile
index 1fb554361..cf022077f 100644
--- a/english/releases/Makefile
+++ b/english/releases/Makefile
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 
 WMLBASE=..
 CUR_DIR=releases
-SUBS=hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch sid
+SUBS=hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch buster sid
 
 include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang
 
diff --git a/english/releases/buster/Makefile b/english/releases/buster/Makefile
new file mode 100644
index 0..744ff3b4d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/english/releases/buster/Makefile
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+# If this makefile is not generic enough to support a translation,
+# please contact debian-www.
+
+WMLBASE=../..
+CUR_DIR=releases/buster
+SUBS=debian-installer
+
+include $(WMLBASE)/Make.lang
+
+index.$(LANGUAGE).html: index.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml
+
+releasenotes.$(LANGUAGE).html: releasenotes.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/arches.data \
+  $(wildcard $(HTMLDIR)/*/release-notes*)
+
+installmanual.$(LANGUAGE).html: installmanual.wml $(TEMPLDIR)/release.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/buster/release.data $(TEMPLDIR)/release_info.wml \
+  $(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/arches.data \
+  $(wildcard $(HTMLDIR)/*/install*)
diff --git a/english/releases/buster/credits.wml b/english/releases/buster/credits.wml
new file mode 100644
index 0..aca17b4ac
--- /dev/null
+++ b/english/releases/buster/credits.wml
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+#use wml::debian::template title="Debian 10 -- Credits (or Blame)" BARETITLE=true
+
+Release management
+
+This release of Debian was managed by Emilio Pozuelo Monfort and
+Niels Thykier, with the assistance of Adam D. Barratt, Cyril
+Brulebois, Julien Cristau, Mehdi Dogguy, Philipp Kern, Ivo De Decker
+and Jonathan Wiltshire.
+
+The rest of Debian
+
+The developers and everyone else
+who contributed.
diff --git a/english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile b/english/releases/buster/debian-installer/Makefile
new file mode 100644
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Bug#820119: closed by Debian WWW CVS (reply to debian-www@lists.debian.org) (Debian WWW CVS commit by djpig fixes #820119)

[victory]

On Fri, 20 May 2016 21:18:09 +
Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:

> @@ -117,6 +117,8 @@ sub transform_translator {
>  $name =~ s/\s*<.*//;
>  $name =~ s/&(?!#)/&/g;
>  $name =~ s/=\?.*?\?=//g;
> +# BREAK PERMITTED HERE (U+0082) is not allowed in HTML 4.01.
> +$name =~ s/(?:�*130;|�*82;|\N{U+0082})//ig;
>  $name = 'DDTP' if $name eq 'Debian Description Translation Project';
>  $name = '' if $name =~ m/\@/;
>  return $name;

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as I said, BPH, i.e. C1 range is supported
just tidy is stupid so you needed to eliminate yourself

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Re: debian-www / debian-doc teams no longer responsive [Was: Re: Bad release in install documentation]

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Rhonda D'Vine  wrote:
> * Holger Wansing  [2016-03-07 10:33:15 CET]:
> > Laura Arjona Reina  wrote:
> > > I'm in debwww since some days ago and this is one of the things I wanted 
> > > to 
> > > look at, but couldn't put time yet.
> > > I hope I can have a look at it in the following days.
> > > 
> > 
> > That would be fine indeed.
> > 
> > While I think about, if recruting new people to the team wouldn't make
> > sense, nevertheless. As said above, debian-www and debian-doc seem not 
> > very responsive ATM ...
> 
>  Personally I wouldn't object to adding you to the team from what I've
> seen from you so far.  You would need to go through NM process
> (non-uploading maybe) for that though because it doesn't make much sense
> to add people to debwww on alioth but actually not being able to deploy
> the changes in the end.  Also adding non DDs to the alioth project would
> require an additional level of checking what got added by a non DD of
> the group before deploying anything while it is a bit more convenient
> (and trust based) so far with respect to expecting that only people are
> able to push there who are also able to deploy it directly.

Ok, thanks for the answer!
Now I have an answer, better than hear nothing.


Holger


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Re: debian-www / debian-doc teams no longer responsive [Was: Re: Bad release in install documentation]

[Rhonda D'Vine]

* Holger Wansing  [2016-03-07 10:33:15 CET]:
> Laura Arjona Reina  wrote:
> > I'm in debwww since some days ago and this is one of the things I wanted to 
> > look at, but couldn't put time yet.
> > I hope I can have a look at it in the following days.
> > 
> 
> That would be fine indeed.
> 
> While I think about, if recruting new people to the team wouldn't make
> sense, nevertheless. As said above, debian-www and debian-doc seem not 
> very responsive ATM ...

 Personally I wouldn't object to adding you to the team from what I've
seen from you so far.  You would need to go through NM process
(non-uploading maybe) for that though because it doesn't make much sense
to add people to debwww on alioth but actually not being able to deploy
the changes in the end.  Also adding non DDs to the alioth project would
require an additional level of checking what got added by a non DD of
the group before deploying anything while it is a bit more convenient
(and trust based) so far with respect to expecting that only people are
able to push there who are also able to deploy it directly.

 So long,
Rhonda
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Re: debian-www / debian-doc teams no longer responsive [Was: Re: Bad release in install documentation]

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Laura Arjona Reina  wrote:
> I'm in debwww since some days ago and this is one of the things I wanted to 
> look at, but couldn't put time yet.
> I hope I can have a look at it in the following days.
> 

That would be fine indeed.

While I think about, if recruting new people to the team wouldn't make
sense, nevertheless. As said above, debian-www and debian-doc seem not 
very responsive ATM ...


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Re: debian-www / debian-doc teams no longer responsive [Was: Re: Bad release in install documentation]

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hi

 On 6 de marzo de 2016 13:13:45 GMT+01:00, Holger Wansing 
 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Holger Wansing  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Holger Wansing  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
>> > > Samuel Thibault  (2016-02-06):
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > > 
>> > > > a a, on Wed 03 Feb 2016 11:03:19 +, wrote:
>> > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en. It
>says in
>> > > > > abstract that the documentation is for debian strech and the
>url says
>> > > > > about stable release.
>> > > > 
>> > > > It's worse than that: it seems it's really the current Stretch
>> > > > installation guide which ended up on the website in stable/, I
>don't
>> > > > know why. Www people, any idea?
>> > > 
>> > > Because
>http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debwww/cron.git/tree/lessoften-parts/1installation-guide
>> > > 
>> > > It would be nice if it could put stuff targetting s(-p-u) under
>stable, and
>> > > stuff targetting unstable under testing, but I didn't reach this
>point of my
>> > > todo list yet.
>> > 
>> > For the time being:
>> > 
>> > Looking at 
>> >
>http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debwww/cron.git/commit/lessoften-parts/1installation-guide?id=c8148aba41b484964cb7a627c5c954a19f056d38
>> > it seems, we have the same situation again now:
>> > 
>> > The latest upload of installation-guide was for Stretch (Changelog
>does
>> > not mention that explicitly, but there are several changings
>effecting
>> > Stretch), so that script has to be adapted around that:
>> > 
>> > all occurences of 'jessie' have to be changed into 'stretch' and
>> > all 'wheezy' be changed into 'jessie'.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Am I correct?
>> > If yes, could someone commit that, please !!!
>> 
>> I have tried to apply this, but I'm lacking proper permissions.
>> 
>> Anyone?
>
>I have asked for membership in the relevant alioth project "debwww"
>~ 10 days ago, but got no answer yet :-((
>
>What can be done about this?
>
>Somebody here, who minds doing the above changing?
>(Noone on debian-www objected against this for weeks, so I assume
>change 
>this is the right thing to do, to get the problem solved.)
>
>
>Holger 

I'm in debwww since some days ago and this is one of the things I wanted to 
look at, but couldn't put time yet.
I hope I can have a look at it in the following days.

Thanks Holger, and sorry for the delay!
Best regards
Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona

debian-www / debian-doc teams no longer responsive [Was: Re: Bad release in install documentation]

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Holger Wansing  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Holger Wansing  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Cyril Brulebois  wrote:
> > > Samuel Thibault  (2016-02-06):
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > a a, on Wed 03 Feb 2016 11:03:19 +, wrote:
> > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en. It says in
> > > > > abstract that the documentation is for debian strech and the url says
> > > > > about stable release.
> > > > 
> > > > It's worse than that: it seems it's really the current Stretch
> > > > installation guide which ended up on the website in stable/, I don't
> > > > know why. Www people, any idea?
> > > 
> > > Because 
> > > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debwww/cron.git/tree/lessoften-parts/1installation-guide
> > > 
> > > It would be nice if it could put stuff targetting s(-p-u) under stable, 
> > > and
> > > stuff targetting unstable under testing, but I didn't reach this point of 
> > > my
> > > todo list yet.
> > 
> > For the time being:
> > 
> > Looking at 
> > http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debwww/cron.git/commit/lessoften-parts/1installation-guide?id=c8148aba41b484964cb7a627c5c954a19f056d38
> > it seems, we have the same situation again now:
> > 
> > The latest upload of installation-guide was for Stretch (Changelog does
> > not mention that explicitly, but there are several changings effecting
> > Stretch), so that script has to be adapted around that:
> > 
> > all occurences of 'jessie' have to be changed into 'stretch' and
> > all 'wheezy' be changed into 'jessie'.
> > 
> > 
> > Am I correct?
> > If yes, could someone commit that, please !!!
> 
> I have tried to apply this, but I'm lacking proper permissions.
> 
> Anyone?

I have asked for membership in the relevant alioth project "debwww"
~ 10 days ago, but got no answer yet :-((

What can be done about this?

Somebody here, who minds doing the above changing?
(Noone on debian-www objected against this for weeks, so I assume change 
this is the right thing to do, to get the problem solved.)


Holger 


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Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published

[Charles Plessy]

Le Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:20:54AM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit :
> 
> I used the note that is already published in https://www.debian.org/contact

Actually, I do not see the note on https://www.debian.org/contact...

(Assuming that what you mean by "the note" is "To report a problem with the web
site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. For other contact information, see
the Debian contact page. Web site source code is available.")

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Re: Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hi

El 27/05/15 a las 08:55, Charles Plessy escribió:
> Le Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:26:42PM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit :
>>
>> Since all the pages show a footer with
>> mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org, I think it would be nice to add the
>> "disclaimer" to the footer.
> …
>> Index: footer.wml
>> ===
>> RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/footer.wml,v
>> retrieving revision 1.128
>> diff -u -r1.128 footer.wml
>> --- footer.wml   9 May 2014 14:14:07 -   1.128
>> +++ footer.wml   28 Apr 2015 20:24:36 -
>> @@ -94,7 +94,16 @@
>>  # you can add some information of your own translation mailing list
>>  # (i.e. debian-l10n-xxx...@lists.debian.org) for reporting things in
>>  # your language.
>> -  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail > href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org.  
>> For other contact information, see the Debian > href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page. Web site source code is > href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available.
>> +  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail > href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org.  
>> For other contact information, see the Debian > href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page.
>> +  
>> +
>> +
>> +Please note that most of the e-mail addresses represent open 
>> mailing lists with public archives.
>> +Read the \
>> +disclaimer before sending any messages.
>> +
>> +
>> +Web site source code is > href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available.
>>  
>>  
>>Last Modified
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
> on behalf of everybody who sent a public message without knowing, thank you 
> for
> your work on this !  I think that the people who contact us need a clear
> indication that the contact address is a public mailing list.
> 
> In that sense, why not simplifying your patch and simply have the disclaimer
> everywhere by adding “Please note that this contact address and many other on
> this website are open mailing lists with public archives.” between the first
> and second sentences ?  Or even simpler: “To report a problem with the web
> site, e-mail our publically archived mailing list 
> debian-www@lists.debian.org.”

I used the note that is already published in https://www.debian.org/contact

(and reviewed by l10n-english team). That way, the translations could be
easily reused/recomposed.

Regards

> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
> Charles
> 

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Re: Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published

[Charles Plessy]

Le Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:26:42PM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit :
> 
> Since all the pages show a footer with
> mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org, I think it would be nice to add the
> "disclaimer" to the footer.
…
> Index: footer.wml
> ===
> RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/footer.wml,v
> retrieving revision 1.128
> diff -u -r1.128 footer.wml
> --- footer.wml9 May 2014 14:14:07 -   1.128
> +++ footer.wml28 Apr 2015 20:24:36 -
> @@ -94,7 +94,16 @@
>  # you can add some information of your own translation mailing list
>  # (i.e. debian-l10n-xxx...@lists.debian.org) for reporting things in
>  # your language.
> -  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail  href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org.  
> For other contact information, see the Debian  href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page. Web site source code is  href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available.
> +  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail  href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org.  
> For other contact information, see the Debian  href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page.
> +  
> +
> +
> +Please note that most of the e-mail addresses represent open 
> mailing lists with public archives.
> +Read the \
> +disclaimer before sending any messages.
> +
> +
> +Web site source code is  href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available.
>  
>  
>Last Modified

Hi Laura,

on behalf of everybody who sent a public message without knowing, thank you for
your work on this !  I think that the people who contact us need a clear
indication that the contact address is a public mailing list.

In that sense, why not simplifying your patch and simply have the disclaimer
everywhere by adding “Please note that this contact address and many other on
this website are open mailing lists with public archives.” between the first
and second sentences ?  Or even simpler: “To report a problem with the web
site, e-mail our publically archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org.”

Have a nice day,

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Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hi everybody

I think I can improve my patch, but I still need some help.

Since all the pages show a footer with
mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org, I think it would be nice to add the
"disclaimer" to the footer.

Attached you can find a patch for that.

I have splitted the text in the footer (now in 1 "define-tag") into 3
"define-tag"s.

I'm afraid it will create fuzzy translations, but I can help in updating
those translations since it's only about splitting two sentences.

If you see the patch ok, I would apply it, and the disclaimer shown in
the footer could be reused for the contact.wml page, vendors, and others
(in these cases, inside a "div class="note" to remark it a bit more).
This is where I need help: I don't know how should I update, for
example, contact.wml page to include the "gettext-ed" text instead of
the current disclaimer.

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Index: footer.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/footer.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.128
diff -u -r1.128 footer.wml
--- footer.wml	9 May 2014 14:14:07 -	1.128
+++ footer.wml	28 Apr 2015 20:24:36 -
@@ -94,7 +94,16 @@
 # you can add some information of your own translation mailing list
 # (i.e. debian-l10n-xxx...@lists.debian.org) for reporting things in
 # your language.
-  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org.  For other contact information, see the Debian contact page. Web site source code is available.
+  To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org.  For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.
+  
+
+
+Please note that most of the e-mail addresses represent open mailing lists with public archives.
+Read the \
+disclaimer before sending any messages.
+
+
+Web site source code is available.
 
 
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Relicensing of debian-www pages

[Riley Baird]

Hi -www!

>From #388141, it seems that Debian is in the process of relicensing the
www pages. So far, after contacting all of the contributors, most of
them have agreed to relicense but there are still some that have not
responded and it is unlikely that they will. Because of this, Stefano
Zacchiroli and Bradley M. Kuhn have devised a relicensing plan.[1]

It seems that the next step in this plan is to make "a list of website
"lines" that are: 1/ still active, and 2/ for which we do *not* have
received permission to relicence."

Does this list already exist? If not, would anyone be interested in
making it?

Yours sincerely,

Riley Baird


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=388141#356


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Bug#388141: Relicensing of Debian www pages

[Riley Baird]

On 24/01/15 00:44, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
> Riley Baird wrote at 17:16 (EST) on Thursday:
>> A couple of years ago, you offered to assist Debian in the relicensing
>> of its www pages. Has there been any progress on this?
> 
> I remain willing to help, but I cannot take the lead on this issue.  If
> there's something specific that Debian needs help with to accomplish
> this task, I remain willing to help.

Thanks! Can you give me an idea of what Debian would need to do next to
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Bug#388141: Relicensing of Debian www pages

[Bradley M. Kuhn]

Riley Baird wrote at 17:16 (EST) on Thursday:
> A couple of years ago, you offered to assist Debian in the relicensing
> of its www pages. Has there been any progress on this?

I remain willing to help, but I cannot take the lead on this issue.  If
there's something specific that Debian needs help with to accomplish
this task, I remain willing to help.

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Bug#388141: Relicensing of Debian www pages

[Riley Baird]

Hi Bradley,

A couple of years ago, you offered to assist Debian in the relicensing
of its www pages. Has there been any progress on this?

Yours thankfully,

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hi everybody

El 18/09/14 a las #4, Don Armstrong escribió:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Paul Wise wrote:
>> The other main issue is people wanting partial checkouts.
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation
> [...]
> Can anyone who currently uses partial checkouts comment whether a 500M
> one time checkout would be a burden? [Is this just a matter of better
> tools for people doing translations?]
> 

I was using partial checkouts when starting to commit translations, I
was comfortable that I couldn't (unintendedly) change other languages
since they were not in my local copy.
But since some months, I use a complete checkout. Anyway, if this is the
reason for anybody else, git solves it too, since commits are in the
local copy and you can double check before pushing, or you can just make
a branch to work on your changes, etc.

A plus of git, IMHO, is its ability to assign an author different than
the committer: this is great to credit non-committing translators or
editors, people sending patches in bug reports, etc. That could be
easily tracked to be uploaded to contributors.debian.org, for example.

Reviewing the page: https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation , it
says something about revision numbers changing to use sha1. If this is a
problem or complicated to implement, I think we could just set a header
in English files too, and the people committing in the English files
could increase the version number manually, the same as translators do.
Or maybe when committing in English folder a script can be triggered to
automatically bump the version number.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

> Sounds useful but... The problem is that not every package will have a
> wiki page and so we need some mechanism to figure out which ones do.
> Should be easy enough to add a page list export to wiki.debian.org if
> you would like to start this project. I would suggest using
> /PackageHints/sourcepackagename as the naming scheme and starting by
> describing the project on the /PackageHints page.

I just re-discovered these two things, if you decide to go ahead with
this project, please co-ordinate with the people who were working on
them.

https://bugs.debian.org/697952
http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep13/

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote:

> Here's a mockup image about the placement:
> https://i.imgur.com/Yl7YZMa.png

The wiki is documentation rather than support, so I put it in the other column.

> I also find having both "Mailing lists" and "Mailing lists archives" on the
> front page redundant. I would prefer to have both mailing list URLs together
> and use that space to show foruns.debian.net, which it's a known support
> resource (has ~500k posts of content) and/or ask.debian.net.

Agreed on the redundancy, not sure about unofficial services being on
the front page?

> The idea of pointing to the wiki is to be able to have a place for pointers
> to upstream/3rd party/debian specific documentation.
> Also a good place for FAQs and even even information on packaging.

Sounds useful but... The problem is that not every package will have a
wiki page and so we need some mechanism to figure out which ones do.
Should be easy enough to add a page list export to wiki.debian.org if
you would like to start this project. I would suggest using
/PackageHints/sourcepackagename as the naming scheme and starting by
describing the project on the /PackageHints page.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Miguel Figueiredo]

Hi,

On 11-09-2014 09:16, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote:


just a couple of ideas about the wiki:

* visibility on front page of www.debian.org.
  Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible.


Good point, I've added a link to it under the documentation section in
the links.


Here's a mockup image about the placement:
https://i.imgur.com/Yl7YZMa.png

I also find having both "Mailing lists" and "Mailing lists archives" on 
the front page redundant. I would prefer to have both mailing list URLs 
together and use that space to show foruns.debian.net, which it's a 
known support resource (has ~500k posts of content) and/or ask.debian.net.





* visibility on {packages,tracker}.debian.org
  I would find interesting to have on each package page a link to a wiki page
where I could find relevant info/documentation on the package.


Documentation should generally be available in the package itself.
There is a patch on #264589 to link from packages.d.o to manpages.d.o
for packages with manual pages. For other kinds of documentation, we
need newer services implemented before this can be done.



The idea of pointing to the wiki is to be able to have a place for 
pointers to upstream/3rd party/debian specific documentation.

Also a good place for FAQs and even even information on packaging.


Just my thoughts on frontpage/wiki.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 17 sep 14, 22:41:38, Don Armstrong wrote:
> 
> Can anyone who currently uses partial checkouts comment whether a 500M
> one time checkout would be a burden? [Is this just a matter of better
> tools for people doing translations?]

Most probably, and I'm guessing moving to po4a would solve most of those 
use cases.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Paul Wise wrote:
> The other main issue is people wanting partial checkouts.
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation

Partial checkouts aren't really workable with git, unfortunately. [1]
From experience, though, we're only talking on the order of 500M or so
for a complete git checkout with all history, which corresponds fairly
nicely with the 460M that my complete CVS checkout requires.

Can anyone who currently uses partial checkouts comment whether a 500M
one time checkout would be a burden? [Is this just a matter of better
tools for people doing translations?]

1: Using submodules would cause more trouble then it's worth, because
you couldn't have a single commit span the entire website; you'd have to
break it into individual commits.
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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:

> I don't even know how we'd go about making this decision.

I think the biggest issue is the translation headers, which rely on
CVS revision numbers. We could replace them with git commit ids and or
switch to Locale::Po4a::Wml.

The other main issue is people wanting partial checkouts.

https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> Am 17.09.2014 00:16, schrieb Don Armstrong:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote:
> >> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most
> >> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner
> >> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point
> > 
> > I'm also interested in seeing -ww move away from CVS to git; I've done
> > some of the initial work here, but there's still a lot more to do. [And
> > I've got way too many other things on my plate right now to even think
> > about it.]
> 
> Is your preliminary work available somewhere or isn't is any value yet
> for other contributors?

It isn't really of value to anyone; I was mainly making sure that git
was a viable option.
 
> I think what would be very useful is some plan/strategy to move
> forward. A strategy that would allow the whole system to move over to
> the git repo step by step. That way nobody needs to create the big
> scary monster patch that fixes everything at once. And people without
> the huge big picture can step in and fix the little pieces that are
> missing.

Right.

> I am not sure, but I think the repository is not seeing that much
> churn, so it would be feasible to carry new commits manually over
> between git and CVS for a limited stretch of time?

Probably. The real issue is that some of the larger architectural
changes which are possible in git are not possible in CVS... but I
suppose we could have a limited period of caryover once we decided to do
the transition.

I think what is missing at this moment in time is a decision that git is
what we are actually going to migrate to... and then we can probably
come up with a transition plan and a set of tasks that need to be
completed.

I don't even know how we'd go about making this decision.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Charles Plessy]

Le Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:15:11AM +0200, Tomas Pospisek a écrit :
> 
> Is your preliminary work available somewhere or isn't is any value yet
> for other contributors?

Hi Thomas,

this does not answer directly to your question, but you may find the following
link useful.

https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Tomas Pospisek]

Am 17.09.2014 00:16, schrieb Don Armstrong:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote:
>> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most
>> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner
>> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point
> 
> I'm also interested in seeing -ww move away from CVS to git; I've done
> some of the initial work here, but there's still a lot more to do. [And
> I've got way too many other things on my plate right now to even think
> about it.]

Is your preliminary work available somewhere or isn't is any value yet
for other contributors?

I think what would be very useful is some plan/strategy to move forward.
A strategy that would allow the whole system to move over to the git
repo step by step. That way nobody needs to create the big scary monster
patch that fixes everything at once. And people without the huge big
picture can step in and fix the little pieces that are missing.

I am not sure, but I think the repository is not seeing that much churn,
so it would be feasible to carry new commits manually over between git
and CVS for a limited stretch of time?
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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Steve McIntyre]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 03:16:57PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote:
>> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most
>> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner
>> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point
>
>I'm also interested in seeing -ww move away from CVS to git; I've done
>some of the initial work here, but there's still a lot more to do. [And
>I've got way too many other things on my plate right now to even think
>about it.]

I think that's the problem all over... :-(

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Don Armstrong]

On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Stéphane Blondon wrote:
> I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most
> used today so it's probably the best choice: - more help for beginner
> - advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point

I'm also interested in seeing -ww move away from CVS to git; I've done
some of the initial work here, but there's still a lot more to do. [And
I've got way too many other things on my plate right now to even think
about it.]
 

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Stéphane Blondon]

2014-09-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Steve McIntyre :
> debian-www
> ==
>
> * We're still using CVS for the website, which is a PITA. Git might
>   work, but for a few (potential?) problems:
>
>   + New way of working for our contributors, including translators who
> may not cope with learning a more complex tool

Updating the documentation have to be done so they will only have to
copy-paste the new commands.

Today, CSV is a problem to get some contributors because they don't
prefer to use modern versionning system. (At least, it's the case for
one DD I met in the last DebConf.)
Of course, it's a different background from translator, so the opinion
about the migration will be different.


>   Is anybody interested enough in switching that we'll find enough
>   manpower to make the change? CVS is *horrible* (IMHO), but it's a
>   lot of work to switch.
>

I'm interested to migrate from CVS to whatever DVCS. Git is the most
used today so it's probably the best choice:
- more help for beginner
- advanced user has used/uses/will use Git at some point

However, I currently try to improve the rendering of the documentation
and I don't think I can do both at the same time.


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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Steve McIntyre]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:05:04PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 AM, J.A. Bezemer wrote:
>
>> - For every new wiki account, mail a copy of the very first page edit (diff)
>> to a small number of people. Should be very easy to spot spam, and only then
>> some action needs to be taken.
>
>We already have some people following RecentChanges and that seems to work 
>fine.
>
>https://wiki.debian.org/RecentChanges

I also opened a wishlist against moin myself a while to get this kind
of feature: #705114. While it's all well and good to pick up spam
after the fact, I'd love to be able to do moderation of new accounts
instead. Patches welcome!

>> - Have an easy way to mass-revert all edits by a given user account, to be
>> used in the above case.
>
>The wiki engine supports this already for admin users. It isn't
>actually that useful because most spammers that reach the wiki these
>days are one-shot, spammers just create new accounts for each edit.

... for exactly this reason.

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Re: Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

[Steve McIntyre]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 02:05:33PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Fabien Givors (Debian) wrote:
>
>> Since the question of authentication is on the table (and sorry if it
>> has already been asked, I didn't find any thread related to that on
>> d-www), I was wondering why the different wikis (wiki, debconf, maybe
>> others) each have their own accounts for non-dd contributors.
>
>The reasons are mainly historical.
>
>> The problem for DD (and for alioth members IIUC) appears to be solved by
>> SSO. But for contributors, I see no plan of centralizing accounts.
>
>The ultimate situation is to merge all of the user databases
>(including wiki.d.o, alioth.d.o, wiki.dc.o, db.dc.o etc) into
>db.debian.org.

That's my hope, yes.

>All our existing user databases were created because we had no SSO
>solution and it was easier to just go with what was available at the
>time.

Yup... :-)

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Miguel Figueiredo wrote:

> just a couple of ideas about the wiki:
>
> * visibility on front page of www.debian.org.
>  Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible.

Good point, I've added a link to it under the documentation section in
the links.

> * visibility on {packages,tracker}.debian.org
>  I would find interesting to have on each package page a link to a wiki page
> where I could find relevant info/documentation on the package.

Documentation should generally be available in the package itself.
There is a patch on #264589 to link from packages.d.o to manpages.d.o
for packages with manual pages. For other kinds of documentation, we
need newer services implemented before this can be done.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 AM, J.A. Bezemer wrote:

> - For every new wiki account, mail a copy of the very first page edit (diff)
> to a small number of people. Should be very easy to spot spam, and only then
> some action needs to be taken.

We already have some people following RecentChanges and that seems to work fine.

https://wiki.debian.org/RecentChanges

> - Have an easy way to mass-revert all edits by a given user account, to be
> used in the above case.

The wiki engine supports this already for admin users. It isn't
actually that useful because most spammers that reach the wiki these
days are one-shot, spammers just create new accounts for each edit.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

> Could we use po4a / gettext for www.d.o translation?
> 
>
> Maybe - we need people to work on this to see if we can make it work.

The discussion on IRC seems to indicate yes, using Locale::Po4a::Wml
but indeed someone needs to do the work. Perhaps one of the people on
debian-i18n would be interested in helping with that?

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Re: Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Fabien Givors (Debian) wrote:

> Since the question of authentication is on the table (and sorry if it
> has already been asked, I didn't find any thread related to that on
> d-www), I was wondering why the different wikis (wiki, debconf, maybe
> others) each have their own accounts for non-dd contributors.

The reasons are mainly historical.

> The problem for DD (and for alioth members IIUC) appears to be solved by
> SSO. But for contributors, I see no plan of centralizing accounts.

The ultimate situation is to merge all of the user databases
(including wiki.d.o, alioth.d.o, wiki.dc.o, db.dc.o etc) into
db.debian.org.

> I was wondering if using (for example) alioth as a central account
> manager for *all* (non-dd?) contributors was not done:
>
> a) because someone has to do it (and it depends on SSO being enabled),

Probably the biggest one.

> b) for technical/political reasons,

There were some of these in the past, many are gone now.

> c) because signing in alioth is a couple more clicks harder than signing
> in a wiki,

I think the procedures are approximately equivalent.

> d) because migrating all the existing accounts would be (more or less)
> impossible,

It should be doable to some extent at least.

> e) some other reason I haven't thought of.

All our existing user databases were created because we had no SSO
solution and it was easier to just go with what was available at the
time.

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Miguel Figueiredo]

Hi,

just a couple of ideas about the wiki:

* visibility on front page of www.debian.org.
 Currently dozens of links on fron tpage, but the wiki is not visible.

 There is "ports/architecture" link on front page bellow "Support" 
links. I would not be shocked if this was moved to "Developers" area and 
the wiki would be visible under the "Support" links.


* visibility on {packages,tracker}.debian.org
 I would find interesting to have on each package page a link to a wiki 
page where I could find relevant info/documentation on the package.




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Wiki authentification [Was: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14]

[Fabien Givors (Debian)]

Hi,

Many thanks to Steve and the www/wiki/video teams for the BoF and this
summary.

On 10/09/2014 19:25, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> debian-wiki
> ===
> [snip]
> Questions about account setup, clarified that account holders in the
> wiki don't need to be DDs. Sign-ups are free for anyone who cares -
> please join in!
> [snip]
> Special sprint / BSP for web/wiki?
> ==
> [snip]
> A good example of this is the up-coming semi-planned switch to
> single-sign-on for the wiki. We'd like to get away from the separate
> accounts that everybody has. SSO is something we've been wanting to do
> for ages, but short of manpower. We'll be working on migration when we
> find some time.
> [snip]

Since the question of authentication is on the table (and sorry if it
has already been asked, I didn't find any thread related to that on
d-www), I was wondering why the different wikis (wiki, debconf, maybe
others) each have their own accounts for non-dd contributors.

The problem for DD (and for alioth members IIUC) appears to be solved by
SSO. But for contributors, I see no plan of centralizing accounts.

I was wondering if using (for example) alioth as a central account
manager for *all* (non-dd?) contributors was not done:
a) because someone has to do it (and it depends on SSO being enabled),
b) for technical/political reasons,
c) because signing in alioth is a couple more clicks harder than signing
in a wiki,
d) because migrating all the existing accounts would be (more or less)
impossible,
e) some other reason I haven't thought of.

To me, c) & d) aren't really relevant, and I'm not competent about b)
and e)...

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Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[J.A. Bezemer]

On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote:

[...]

Wiki anti-spam discussion
=

[..]

There's no perfect solution here - we're having to work out spam/ham
on a small amount of information, and we can never be *100%* sure.


Just another 2 cents (maybe already implemented?)

- For every new wiki account, mail a copy of the very first page edit 
(diff) to a small number of people. Should be very easy to spot spam, and 
only then some action needs to be taken.


- Have an easy way to mass-revert all edits by a given user account, to be 
used in the above case.



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Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14

[Steve McIntyre]

[ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ]

Hi folks,

As promised, here's a quick summary of what was discussed at the BoF
session in Portland. Apologies for the delay - it takes a while to
write these up... :-/

Thanks to the awesome efforts of our video team, the session is
already online [1]. I've taken a copy of the (partial!) Gobby notes
too, alongside my small set of slides for the session. [2]

We only had a small number of attendees at the session in person-
whether that's because of lack of interest or a clash with the other
sessions at the time I've no idea.

debian-www
==

I didn't have a huge amount to talk about here, but felt it was worth
trying to start some discussion...

* We're still using CVS for the website, which is a PITA. Git might
  work, but for a few (potential?) problems:

  + New way of working for our contributors, including translators who
may not cope with learning a more complex tool

  + Space/time constraints working with a big repo - CVS supports
partial checkouts better. I'm not convinced that this should
matter any more, but... Later data comparisons tell us that CVS
uses ~350M for a checkout, a git clone uses ~540M. An initial git
clone can also be slow.

  + Our current work-flow (helper scripts, "page outdated" logic,
translations) is built around CVS and would need a major revamp to
fit git. Maybe p04a could help here?

  Is anybody interested enough in switching that we'll find enough
  manpower to make the change? CVS is *horrible* (IMHO), but it's a
  lot of work to switch.

No other topics were brought up, so we moved on to the wiki...

debian-wiki
===

Quick summary of the wiki status:

 * 12,203 pages (non-spam)
 * 12,565 registered user accounts (non-spam)
 * Using Moin 1.9.4 with some local patches (since upgraded to 1.9.7)

Brief discussion of how we've dealt with spammers - the problem is
*believed* to be just about solved now. To edit pages in the wiki, a
user must be logged in with an account. To create an account, they
must register using a valid email address and we validate that
email/account link by sending a URL that needs to be visited. Whenever
anybody attempts to sign up for an account, our scripts attempt (based
on heuristics and history) to detect and block spam sign-ups.

Questions about account setup, clarified that account holders in the
wiki don't need to be DDs. Sign-ups are free for anyone who cares -
please join in!

Wiki anti-spam discussion
=

More in-depth explanation of how people appear "spammy" when
attempting to create an account. A typical spammer will look have:
 * @hotmail.com for email
 *  for a username
 * an IP on a random Chinese mobile broadband network or known
   spam-haven

The anti-spam checks will score all the information on a sign-up
attempt and will refuse to create an account if the total score is too
high. If people attempt to sign up too many times in succession for an
account from the same spammy-looking email or IP, the IP will be
blacklisted. The blacklist is not just for blocking account sign-ups -
spammers are clearly not interested in Debian and are just looking to
spam. We block the IP so they can't access any of our pages. Too many
obvious spam sign-up attempts from the same network address range will
also result in us blacklisting a network block, or even an entire ISP
in the case of known spam-havens.

We have tried in the past using Captchas on the Debian wiki, but it
didn't help much. There are a whole load of problems with Captchas
anyway (e.g. blocking blind people, privacy issues), but the biggest
problem is that the Captchas just did not solve the spam problem for
us! Most of the spam account sign-ups are already coming from botnets
where the spammers have broken Captchas to get free email accounts -
the one for the wiki is no harder for them! Steve implemented Captcha
support for Moin to try this all out, then turned off that support on
the Debian wiki after not very long.

There is a potential problem with Tor exit nodes being blacklisted due
to spammy-looking activity. We'd like to not block the nodes
themselves here - we'll need to work on this with the Tor folks.

Steve showed a small demo of the anti-spam stuff at work, using his
"console" on the wiki, and demonstrated some example spammers that
would be blocked.

There's no perfect solution here - we're having to work out spam/ham
on a small amount of information, and we can never be *100%* sure. In
the case that a user tries to sign up and is blocked as a
false-positive for spamming, they should mail the debian-www list or
the wiki admins and we can white-list email addresses in that
situation.

Gentoo/Arch wiki comparison
===

Both Gentoo and Arch have/had really good wikis full of great content
and excellent links to more informa

Re: Account creation failed: Error 918: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues.

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Apple Pine  wrote:

> After registration, I got an Error:
>
> "Account creation failed: Error 918: please contact
> debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues."

Apologies, you've been caught as a false positive in the wiki
anti-spam system. I've just whitelisted you now so things should work
OK if you try again. Please let us know if you have any further
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