Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 03:14:21PM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Quoting "Osamu Aoki" : > >More problematic is: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy > > Here, at least the following two points: > """ > # We'll use SGML as source format. > (...) > # We'll use debiandoc-sgml for our documents. (...) > > should be changed into one point: > > """ > # We are using DocBook XML for our documents. (..) I've done the changes in both the webpage and in the DDP policy in SVN to reflect this. I've also added a reference to cooperation with translators through the use of po4a. Regards Javier signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:23:48AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:40:49PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: [..] > > A/ Can someone want to fix the sgml-howto svn to make it buildable on lenny > > and > > squeeze ? > > I do not think we have enough time for this and it is not high priority. > > > B/ sync the manual built result to new www-master (I'm not a big fan, but > > it's > > the most conservative option). Then if someone wants, update the build > > system. > > > > C/ Drop it > > Plan B seems most conservative or now. If you drop it, I do not complin > either. Kept: http://ne.deb.at/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ And marked obsolete. > (apt-howto is OK as is) > > I will look into this after squeeze release. Thanks ! -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100920220402.gc...@dedibox.ebzao.info
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:40:49PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:52:17PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:48:58AM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > > Quoting "Simon Paillard" : > > > >Any reason to add sgml-howto to ddp Makefile or it is so old that the > > > >doc is no longer valid ? > > > > More problematic is: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ddp-policy > > Well from my current POV (moving to another host) at least, these ones *do* > build correctly. Problem is not *build* but *contents". > > > If I look at the correct document, it seems partly outdated > > > to me. Are we talking about this? > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ > > > > > > To me, too many things have changed: > > > > I agree. > > > > > At least some of the newer documents are made with DocBook > > > XML instead of debiandoc or DocBook SGML. The compilation > > > tools are now mainly xsltproc, docbook-xsl, dblatex, xmlroff, > > > and fop, not dsssl and jadetex. Emacs users are using nxml, > > > not psgml, I assume. > > > > Please do not forget to add "po4a"-tool chain. > > > > It is interesting that this is written in DocBookXML. > > > > It does not seem to be linked anywhere from DDP page. > > > > As technical guide to SGML, it is useful. But you need to find it from > > google. > > > > I suggest to add it to "Problematic manuals" > > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp#other > > > > Unless someone update now, I suggest to add note such as: > > "(Obsolete Documentation)" > > > > Bust still build them. > > Does some of you succed in building it ? OOps. I got your point. I did not check. > After adjusting hardcoded path no longer valid since potato.. I've come > up with: > > jade -t sgml -V FHS \ > -d ../html.dsl \ > /usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl howto.db > jade:/usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl:31:27:W: characters in the document > character set with numbers exceeding 65535 not supported > jade:howto.db:1:0:E: end of document in prolog > > But honestly, I don't want to spent more time trying to build an outdated doc. > > So, different options: Please disable build ASAP. There is no point buiding... In this context, apt-howto too. This build failure seems Makefile concurency issue but I am not sure. > A/ Can someone want to fix the sgml-howto svn to make it buildable on lenny > and > squeeze ? I do not think we have enough time for this and it is not high priority. > B/ sync the manual built result to new www-master (I'm not a big fan, but it's > the most conservative option). Then if someone wants, update the build > system. > > C/ Drop it Plan B seems most conservative or now. If you drop it, I do not complin either. (apt-howto is OK as is) I will look into this after squeeze release. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100918012348.ga4...@debian.org
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:52:17PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:48:58AM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > > Quoting "Simon Paillard" : > > >Any reason to add sgml-howto to ddp Makefile or it is so old that the > > >doc is no longer valid ? > > More problematic is: > http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ddp-policy Well from my current POV (moving to another host) at least, these ones *do* build correctly. > > If I look at the correct document, it seems partly outdated > > to me. Are we talking about this? > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ > > > > To me, too many things have changed: > > I agree. > > > At least some of the newer documents are made with DocBook > > XML instead of debiandoc or DocBook SGML. The compilation > > tools are now mainly xsltproc, docbook-xsl, dblatex, xmlroff, > > and fop, not dsssl and jadetex. Emacs users are using nxml, > > not psgml, I assume. > > Please do not forget to add "po4a"-tool chain. > > It is interesting that this is written in DocBookXML. > > It does not seem to be linked anywhere from DDP page. > > As technical guide to SGML, it is useful. But you need to find it from > google. > > I suggest to add it to "Problematic manuals" > > http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp#other > > Unless someone update now, I suggest to add note such as: > "(Obsolete Documentation)" > > Bust still build them. Does some of you succed in building it ? After adjusting hardcoded path no longer valid since potato.. I've come up with: jade -t sgml -V FHS \ -d ../html.dsl \ /usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl howto.db jade:/usr/share/sgml/declaration/xml.dcl:31:27:W: characters in the document character set with numbers exceeding 65535 not supported jade:howto.db:1:0:E: end of document in prolog But honestly, I don't want to spent more time trying to build an outdated doc. So, different options: A/ Can someone want to fix the sgml-howto svn to make it buildable on lenny and squeeze ? B/ sync the manual built result to new www-master (I'm not a big fan, but it's the most conservative option). Then if someone wants, update the build system. C/ Drop it -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100915194049.gc10...@dedibox.ebzao.info
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 03:14:21PM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Quoting "Osamu Aoki" : > >More problematic is: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy > > Here, at least the following two points: > > """ > # We'll use SGML as source format. > >Note that this does not mean that users have to learn SGML >to submit changes to our documents. We accept all other >formats as well. However, they will be translated into >SGML by one of the Debian-Doc people. > >The other options were: LaTeX, HTML, Texinfo, and several >other minor formats. > > # We'll use debiandoc-sgml for our documents. > >The other options were linuxdoc-sgml or DocBook. Linuxdoc >is no longer maintained; DocBook is judged by many to be >too big and complex and difficult to customize. > """ > > should be changed into one point: > > """ > # We are using DocBook XML for our documents. > >Note that this does not mean that users have to learn >DocBook XML to submit changes to our documents. We accept >other text formats as well. However, they will be >translated into DocBook XML by one of the Debian-Doc people. > >Older documents are in debiandoc-sgml format which is >considered obsolete. > """ > > Who can change this? > > Btw. both DVI and PS format are not needed nowadays, PDF > should be sufficient for most people, I assume. All what you say is good points, please feel free to make such changes. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100914134044.gb5...@debian.org
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
Quoting "Osamu Aoki" : More problematic is: http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy Here, at least the following two points: """ # We'll use SGML as source format. Note that this does not mean that users have to learn SGML to submit changes to our documents. We accept all other formats as well. However, they will be translated into SGML by one of the Debian-Doc people. The other options were: LaTeX, HTML, Texinfo, and several other minor formats. # We'll use debiandoc-sgml for our documents. The other options were linuxdoc-sgml or DocBook. Linuxdoc is no longer maintained; DocBook is judged by many to be too big and complex and difficult to customize. """ should be changed into one point: """ # We are using DocBook XML for our documents. Note that this does not mean that users have to learn DocBook XML to submit changes to our documents. We accept other text formats as well. However, they will be translated into DocBook XML by one of the Debian-Doc people. Older documents are in debiandoc-sgml format which is considered obsolete. """ Who can change this? Btw. both DVI and PS format are not needed nowadays, PDF should be sufficient for most people, I assume. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100914151421.25954wz0jd270...@webmail.in-berlin.de
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:48:58AM +0200, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Quoting "Simon Paillard" : > >Any reason to add sgml-howto to ddp Makefile or it is so old that the > >doc is no longer valid ? More problematic is: http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ddp-policy > If I look at the correct document, it seems partly outdated > to me. Are we talking about this? > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ > > To me, too many things have changed: I agree. > At least some of the newer documents are made with DocBook > XML instead of debiandoc or DocBook SGML. The compilation > tools are now mainly xsltproc, docbook-xsl, dblatex, xmlroff, > and fop, not dsssl and jadetex. Emacs users are using nxml, > not psgml, I assume. Please do not forget to add "po4a"-tool chain. It is interesting that this is written in DocBookXML. It does not seem to be linked anywhere from DDP page. As technical guide to SGML, it is useful. But you need to find it from google. I suggest to add it to "Problematic manuals" http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp#other Unless someone update now, I suggest to add note such as: "(Obsolete Documentation)" Bust still build them. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100914125217.ga3...@debian.org
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
Quoting "Simon Paillard" : Any reason to add sgml-howto to ddp Makefile or it is so old that the doc is no longer valid ? If I look at the correct document, it seems partly outdated to me. Are we talking about this? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ To me, too many things have changed: At least some of the newer documents are made with DocBook XML instead of debiandoc or DocBook SGML. The compilation tools are now mainly xsltproc, docbook-xsl, dblatex, xmlroff, and fop, not dsssl and jadetex. Emacs users are using nxml, not psgml, I assume. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100914004858.89342orzbws3d...@webmail.in-berlin.de
Re: www-master move, final steps: /doc/manuals/sgml-howto
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 10:50:36PM +0200, Simon Paillard wrote: > Here is (finally) the current status of remaining steps in preparing > wolkenstein as a new www-master.debian.org: > > * Remaining files on klecker: > http://people.debian.org/~spaillard/missing-from-wolkenstein-with-comments > (note that I don't rsync-diff the content itself, only file presence, > for the main reason many contents contains the build date) Only doc/manuals/sgml-howto/ is remaining, for the (good?) reason it's not included in ddp/trunk/Makefile, and thus not build. Any reason to add sgml-howto to ddp Makefile or it is so old that the doc is no longer valid ? -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100913214955.gk9...@dedibox.ebzao.info
