X Staging (phase2v5) and input problems

[Peter Abrahamsen]

Hallo,

Has anyone else noticed brokenness on ADB-based powermacs with the X staging
debs? My setup worked perfectly with those binary tarballs people were
making for a while, but when I upgraded to the debs, my keyboard and mouse
started acting strangely. I have an extended apple ADB keyboard, and a
Kensington 4-button turbo mouse, both of which have worked harmoniously in
the same setup for years.

My mouse moves fine, but also spews numbers and other miscellaneous
characters at the screen. This has the unfortunate consequence of making it
impossible to deal with dialog boxes, as moving the cursor hits buttons at
random.

My keyboard also seems to be on some random keymap, although it's set up the
exact same way in XF86Config:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "AutoRepeat""500 5"
Driver  "keyboard"
#Option  "XkbDisable"
Option "XkbModel"  "macintosh"
Option "XkbLayout"  "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "BusMouse"
Option  "Device" "/dev/adbmouse"
EndSection

Turning XkbDisable on results in a mostly-right keyboard, with the omission
of the 'a' key, which does nothing. Any ideas on where I might look or what
buttons I might push to try to fix?

Thanks,

Peter


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Re: Building X myself

[Ashley Clark]

* Darren/Torin/Who Ever... in "Building X myself" dated 2000/09/28
* 11:20 wrote:

> Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
> unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6
> yet.
> 
> So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
> added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in
> the Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?

If you don't need the glide3 libraries (tdfx_dri.so) you can edit the
debian/patches/100_debian_host.def.diff file and comment out the diff
line #define HasGlide3 YES, the source will compile. You'll also have
to force the MANIFEST check, but that's easy enough, you can grep out
those lines or just remove the check entirely.

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Re: Building X myself

[Jirong]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
> Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
> unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6 yet.
>
> So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
> added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in the
> Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?
>
> Thanks,
>   Darren
If you have a voodoo card, you just need the file.
Go to glide.sourceforge.net to download it
Or go to linux.3dfx.com

 Jirong.

Building X myself

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6 yet.

So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in the
Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?

Thanks,
  Darren
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Re: Building X myself

[Ashley Clark]

* Darren/Torin/Who Ever... in "Building X myself" dated 2000/09/28
* 11:20 wrote:

> Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
> unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6
> yet.
> 
> So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
> added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in
> the Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?

If you don't need the glide3 libraries (tdfx_dri.so) you can edit the
debian/patches/100_debian_host.def.diff file and comment out the diff
line #define HasGlide3 YES, the source will compile. You'll also have
to force the MANIFEST check, but that's easy enough, you can grep out
those lines or just remove the check entirely.

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Re: Building X myself

[Jirong]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
> Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
> unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6 yet.
>
> So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
> added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in the
> Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?
>
> Thanks,
>   Darren
If you have a voodoo card, you just need the file.
Go to glide.sourceforge.net to download it
Or go to linux.3dfx.com

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Building X myself

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

Well, I'm impatient for X to get working on desktop again.  I
unfortunately upgraded to phase2v11 but I refuse to upgrade libc6 yet.

So, I went to compile X myself.  Now it is asking for glide.h, so I
added glide2-dev.  But it's also looking for g3ext.h.  This ins't in the
Contents-i386 file.  Where might I find such a beast?

Thanks,
  Darren
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Re: sessreg in /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup

[Hervé Eychenne]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Branden Robinson wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:23:19PM +0200, Hervé Eychenne wrote:

> > I'm in touch with Guillaume Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in order to package
> > one of my application for Debian, called ulog. FYI, it intends to be the
> > distributed equivalent of utmp/wtmp for X-window.

> Just FYI, the proper name is the "X Window System".  Simply "X" can be used
> for short.

Hey, I could have said X windows... ;-)
Please excuse my poor English.

> > So I'll have to add an entry to /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options, called "use-ulog".
> > As the xdm package maintainer, I suppose I have to ask you if you would mind
> > adding this entry in you package and what is the exact procedure.

> I'm not sure it is necessary to add options to xdm.options to accomplish
> what you have in mind.

It seems to me the most natural way, as the ulog mecanism is the equivalent
of utmp/wtmp for X, like I said, and the ulog command is the equivalent of
sessreg.

> I need to know nore about ulog first.

In the beginning was the command line, and the console. So, a single screen.
Then appeared who, w, write, talk, last. Well.
Then appeared X, and xterms... And these prior commands suddenly got a
bit old and inadequate.
Several shells on different hosts at a time contained in xterms on different
virtual screens, some iconified, some not...
Talk and write were already dead...
The w command truncates the originating host to 16 poor chars...
Some of the information given by who is often false...
Last relies on a the same files and has the same problems.
The X-related information given by these tools looks to me a bit like
quick tricks in order to take displays into account.

Figure out a university with free access to terminals.
Try to figure out who is currently or who was physically (X session) logged
in on which display or which host, in a whole bunch of rooms full of X
terminals handled by xdm on several hosts in several floors or even
buildings... I wish you good luck, really.

So there had to be a way of logging the adequate information about all these
xdm login/logout events. So I did it. It is called ulog.

The actual code is far from being perfect and ulog is currently under
development, but it seems to work and quite a lot of functionnalities are
already available, so I already consider doing a Debian package in order to
simplify the installation on several hosts. Well, for "real life" tests. ;-)

More information on http://www.ulog.org/

 Hervé

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Re: sessreg in /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup

[Hervé Eychenne]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Branden Robinson wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:23:19PM +0200, Hervé Eychenne wrote:

> > I'm in touch with Guillaume Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in order to package
> > one of my application for Debian, called ulog. FYI, it intends to be the
> > distributed equivalent of utmp/wtmp for X-window.

> Just FYI, the proper name is the "X Window System".  Simply "X" can be used
> for short.

Hey, I could have said X windows... ;-)
Please excuse my poor English.

> > So I'll have to add an entry to /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options, called "use-ulog".
> > As the xdm package maintainer, I suppose I have to ask you if you would mind
> > adding this entry in you package and what is the exact procedure.

> I'm not sure it is necessary to add options to xdm.options to accomplish
> what you have in mind.

It seems to me the most natural way, as the ulog mecanism is the equivalent
of utmp/wtmp for X, like I said, and the ulog command is the equivalent of
sessreg.

> I need to know nore about ulog first.

In the beginning was the command line, and the console. So, a single screen.
Then appeared who, w, write, talk, last. Well.
Then appeared X, and xterms... And these prior commands suddenly got a
bit old and inadequate.
Several shells on different hosts at a time contained in xterms on different
virtual screens, some iconified, some not...
Talk and write were already dead...
The w command truncates the originating host to 16 poor chars...
Some of the information given by who is often false...
Last relies on a the same files and has the same problems.
The X-related information given by these tools looks to me a bit like
quick tricks in order to take displays into account.

Figure out a university with free access to terminals.
Try to figure out who is currently or who was physically (X session) logged
in on which display or which host, in a whole bunch of rooms full of X
terminals handled by xdm on several hosts in several floors or even
buildings... I wish you good luck, really.

So there had to be a way of logging the adequate information about all these
xdm login/logout events. So I did it. It is called ulog.

The actual code is far from being perfect and ulog is currently under
development, but it seems to work and quite a lot of functionnalities are
already available, so I already consider doing a Debian package in order to
simplify the installation on several hosts. Well, for "real life" tests. ;-)

More information on http://www.ulog.org/

 Hervé

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Re: xterm (4.0.1-0phase2v11) depends on libc6 (>= 2.1.93)

[Vedran Rodic]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:38:45PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:27:21PM +0200, Kresimir Kukulj wrote:
> > > > Current unstable libc6 is 2.1.3-10. Is 2.1.93 an error or what?
> > > > xlibs 4.0.1-0phase2v11 for example depends on libc6 (>= 2.1.2)
> > > 
> > > Actually, current unstable libc6 is 2.1.94-*, the mirror you're using is
> > > out of date.
> > 
> > Oh, is it ? I used http://www.debian.org/Packages/ but that is out of date ?
> 
> Yes, our CVS and WWW server had some issues recently so the web pages didn't
> get updated properly, too. It should be back to normal by tomorrow.
> 
> > I just checked ftp.debian.org. libc6_2.1.94-1.deb is there.
> 
> Yes. And don't install it :) it might break anything depending on libdb2...

Does the rest of phase2v11 depend directly on libc6_2.1.94? I don't need
xterm, can I install it safely on libc 2.1.3 system?

Re: xterm (4.0.1-0phase2v11) depends on libc6 (>= 2.1.93)

[Vedran Rodic]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:38:45PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:27:21PM +0200, Kresimir Kukulj wrote:
> > > > Current unstable libc6 is 2.1.3-10. Is 2.1.93 an error or what?
> > > > xlibs 4.0.1-0phase2v11 for example depends on libc6 (>= 2.1.2)
> > > 
> > > Actually, current unstable libc6 is 2.1.94-*, the mirror you're using is
> > > out of date.
> > 
> > Oh, is it ? I used http://www.debian.org/Packages/ but that is out of date ?
> 
> Yes, our CVS and WWW server had some issues recently so the web pages didn't
> get updated properly, too. It should be back to normal by tomorrow.
> 
> > I just checked ftp.debian.org. libc6_2.1.94-1.deb is there.
> 
> Yes. And don't install it :) it might break anything depending on libdb2...

Does the rest of phase2v11 depend directly on libc6_2.1.94? I don't need
xterm, can I install it safely on libc 2.1.3 system?


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Re: [off topic] Where's the debian-x mail folder for september?

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:48:01AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > > /org/lists.debian.org/lists/debian-x-0009
> > > 
> > > Apparently it took no more than 9 months and 26 days to forget a very
> > > important lesson.  :-P
> > 
> > What?
> 
> Reread all of the above text in the message body and think very hard.

Are you referring to 00 being used instead of 2000, perhaps? This isn't my
fault, I wasn't involved in lists archives at the time we should have
switched to 4-digit numbering.

We could switch now, but it seems like a lot of hassle for little gain, as
most (if not all; there aren't any more of them filed in the BTS) of the Y2K
bugs regarding searching and sorting the archives have been fixed with the
current setup.

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Re: SV: READ THIS; Debian XFree86 4.0.1 mini-FAQ

[Sven LUTHER]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 05:47:02PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:20:38AM -0600, Joshua Shagam wrote:
> > 
> > And, if I'm not mistaken, imlib is one of Rasterman's over-glitzy
> > under-functional piles of code... :)
> 
> Well, I don't think this is a very productive thread, but... No.
> Imlib may have had some bugs (what doesn't) but raster was quite
> correct to observe the need for it, and he wrote a library to handle a
> variety of image formats at any colour depth, and the fast copying of
> them to the screen, and memory management of them.
> 
> The GNOME project realised that he was right about its necessity,
> although they eventually diverged from him over implementation issues
> (differing priorities).  But I don't think it was particularly glitzy,
> no.
> 
> And imlib2 offers transparency, which you probably think is glitzy,
> but I think it is a useful user interface element given that modern
> graphics hardware is up to the task.

But not supported yet by xfree, isn't it ? 

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER

Re: [off topic] Where's the debian-x mail folder for september?

[Josip Rodin]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:48:01AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > > /org/lists.debian.org/lists/debian-x-0009
> > > 
> > > Apparently it took no more than 9 months and 26 days to forget a very
> > > important lesson.  :-P
> > 
> > What?
> 
> Reread all of the above text in the message body and think very hard.

Are you referring to 00 being used instead of 2000, perhaps? This isn't my
fault, I wasn't involved in lists archives at the time we should have
switched to 4-digit numbering.

We could switch now, but it seems like a lot of hassle for little gain, as
most (if not all; there aren't any more of them filed in the BTS) of the Y2K
bugs regarding searching and sorting the archives have been fixed with the
current setup.

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Re: SV: READ THIS; Debian XFree86 4.0.1 mini-FAQ

[Sven LUTHER]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 05:47:02PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:20:38AM -0600, Joshua Shagam wrote:
> > 
> > And, if I'm not mistaken, imlib is one of Rasterman's over-glitzy
> > under-functional piles of code... :)
> 
> Well, I don't think this is a very productive thread, but... No.
> Imlib may have had some bugs (what doesn't) but raster was quite
> correct to observe the need for it, and he wrote a library to handle a
> variety of image formats at any colour depth, and the fast copying of
> them to the screen, and memory management of them.
> 
> The GNOME project realised that he was right about its necessity,
> although they eventually diverged from him over implementation issues
> (differing priorities).  But I don't think it was particularly glitzy,
> no.
> 
> And imlib2 offers transparency, which you probably think is glitzy,
> but I think it is a useful user interface element given that modern
> graphics hardware is up to the task.

But not supported yet by xfree, isn't it ? 

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER


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Re: libdb.so.3 blues [was: package bug in xfree86-common (4.0.1-0phase2v10)]

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:02:49AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> You know, if you force X to use libdb2, it will work with 2.1.3 and
> 2.1.94. The easy (not sure how easy in terms of the X build) is to replace
>  with  and -ldb with -ldb2.

I'm not going to dick with the X sources in this fashion until I've heard
what upstream plans to do about it.

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Re: [off topic] Where's the debian-x mail folder for september?

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:51:45AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:56:16PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > /org/lists.debian.org/lists/debian-x-0009
> > 
> > Apparently it took no more than 9 months and 26 days to forget a very
> > important lesson.  :-P
> 
> What?

Reread all of the above text in the message body and think very hard.

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[pollmeier@ID-Pro.de: debian, xfree4, xdm, testing]

[Branden Robinson]

- Forwarded message from Cajus Pollmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

From: Cajus Pollmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: debian, xfree4, xdm, testing
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:42:16 +0200
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i

Hi!

I tried out your xfree4 development packages from today. Xfree itself runs 
pretty fast, without any crashes
(when starting with startx or xdm).
Starting xdm/gdm/kdm itself lasts about 30 seconds while these proggies are 
reading tons of data from /dev/urandom.
Is this a configuration problem on my machine (woody/i386), or is this a more 
common problem?

Thanks in advance,
-Cajus

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Re: libdb.so.3 blues [was: package bug in xfree86-common (4.0.1-0phase2v10)]

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:02:49AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> You know, if you force X to use libdb2, it will work with 2.1.3 and
> 2.1.94. The easy (not sure how easy in terms of the X build) is to replace
>  with  and -ldb with -ldb2.

I'm not going to dick with the X sources in this fashion until I've heard
what upstream plans to do about it.

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Re: [off topic] Where's the debian-x mail folder for september?

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:51:45AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:56:16PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > /org/lists.debian.org/lists/debian-x-0009
> > 
> > Apparently it took no more than 9 months and 26 days to forget a very
> > important lesson.  :-P
> 
> What?

Reread all of the above text in the message body and think very hard.

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