[HOWTO] Downgrade from 4.0.1-0 to 3.3.6
I tried to get XFree86 4.0.1 working on my laptop, but cannot. I
decided to just downgrade for now, so I can use it. Here's how I did
it, in case anyone else needs to do the similar.
dpkg --list | grep '4.0.1-0' | awk '{print $2;}' | xargs --remove --force-depends
--auto-deconfigure
editor /etc/apt/sources.list
comment off the lines pointing to the experimental X packages
apt-get update
apt-get -f install
That's it. It's still running now, but should be straightforward
getting it going again, once I figured the other part out.
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off-topic: howto build x4-debs for potato
I wouldn't do it again (it seems like building plain x4 and installing it in parallel to the current x debs is the best choice if you must get new hardware working) anyway my experience: http://www-ti.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~thiele/x4debian_potato_and_nvidia.html -- email [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC Karme HPhttp://www-ti.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~thiele -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VSZ memory of X
Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? I'm asking because I have only 64M and trying to save every bit... bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VSZ memory of X
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 07:59:09PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? Requested size is just the size of the memory footprint as it appears in the page table. My X server always reports about 160MB 'usage', likely because of the way AGP is implemented in the kernel; similarly, my 3D engine reports 160MB usage (for probably the same reason) when its RSS is only 32 (and even that's when my LOD cache has become oversaturated, but that's another matter). Basically, the VSZ is just the *potential* usage, whereas the RSS is *actual* usage. Pay no mind to VSZ for anything which does funky memory mapper tricks. As a simple test of this, do a malloc() on some egregriously large amount of memory (say, 64MB), but don't actually use it, and look as the VSZ vs. RSS of the program. Linux uses an allocate-on-demand policy for large allocations (technically, it mmap()s /dev/zero, and mmap is a nice generic interface to the pagetable), so even though it has 64MB of *potential* memory usage, only the memory which has actually been touched is actually allocated. It's a similar issue with the X server et al. -- Joshua Shagam /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VSZ memory of X
Hmm. Just last night, I decided it was time to go to sleep once my X got up to 192M of VSZ and 120M RSS. While quitting, my machine hung. :-/ Sysrq was good enough to sync and unmount, but not reboot. Oh well. Has anyone else noticed strange memory use with recent phase2 .debs? * Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001022 10:57]: Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? I'm asking because I have only 64M and trying to save every bit... bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rendition support in dexter
On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 02:04:18PM +0200, Hein-Jan Leliveld wrote: In the latest phase2 debs (v20) it isn't possible to choose a rendition x-server in dexter. If I manually edit the XF86Config-4 file to add the rendition video card everything works fine. Sorry, this was an oversight. It will be fixed in the next release. Thanks for pointing it out. -- G. Branden Robinson | If you have the slightest bit of Debian GNU/Linux| intellectual integrity you cannot [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support the government. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- anonymous pgpbyBb1JLWLw.pgp Description: PGP signature
[HOWTO] Downgrade from 4.0.1-0 to 3.3.6
I tried to get XFree86 4.0.1 working on my laptop, but cannot. I
decided to just downgrade for now, so I can use it. Here's how I did
it, in case anyone else needs to do the similar.
dpkg --list | grep '4.0.1-0' | awk '{print $2;}' | xargs --remove
--force-depends --auto-deconfigure
editor /etc/apt/sources.list
comment off the lines pointing to the experimental X packages
apt-get update
apt-get -f install
That's it. It's still running now, but should be straightforward
getting it going again, once I figured the other part out.
--
We should not penalize the conscientious to coddle those who run brain-dead
software.
I am karlheg, of deB.ORG. You will be freed. Resistance is useful.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
http://www.debian.org/~karlheg
off-topic: howto build x4-debs for potato
I wouldn't do it again (it seems like building plain x4 and installing it in parallel to the current x debs is the best choice if you must get new hardware working) anyway my experience: http://www-ti.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~thiele/x4debian_potato_and_nvidia.html -- email [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC Karme HPhttp://www-ti.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~thiele
Re: [HOWTO] Downgrade from 4.0.1-0 to 3.3.6
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 12:49:39AM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: I tried to get XFree86 4.0.1 working on my laptop, but cannot. I decided to just downgrade for now, so I can use it. Here's how I did it, in case anyone else needs to do the similar. I'd appreciate knowing what problems you experienced, since Debian packages are supposed to be downgradeable. -- G. Branden Robinson | What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux| reading the Bible cover to cover. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Twice. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- J. Michael Straczynski pgpTUwTppmzZu.pgp Description: PGP signature
VSZ memory of X
Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? I'm asking because I have only 64M and trying to save every bit... bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified
Re: [HOWTO] Downgrade from 4.0.1-0 to 3.3.6
I'd appreciate knowing what problems you experienced, since Debian packages are supposed to be downgradeable. I did almost the same thing on my laptop the other day, except that I --purged a fair number of the leaf nodes in the dependency tree (all of the xfont-* stuff, and a few other things) by hand before --force-depends'ing my way through it, and had absolutely no troubles at all. Will
Re: VSZ memory of X
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 07:59:09PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? Requested size is just the size of the memory footprint as it appears in the page table. My X server always reports about 160MB 'usage', likely because of the way AGP is implemented in the kernel; similarly, my 3D engine reports 160MB usage (for probably the same reason) when its RSS is only 32 (and even that's when my LOD cache has become oversaturated, but that's another matter). Basically, the VSZ is just the *potential* usage, whereas the RSS is *actual* usage. Pay no mind to VSZ for anything which does funky memory mapper tricks. As a simple test of this, do a malloc() on some egregriously large amount of memory (say, 64MB), but don't actually use it, and look as the VSZ vs. RSS of the program. Linux uses an allocate-on-demand policy for large allocations (technically, it mmap()s /dev/zero, and mmap is a nice generic interface to the pagetable), so even though it has 64MB of *potential* memory usage, only the memory which has actually been touched is actually allocated. It's a similar issue with the X server et al. -- Joshua Shagam /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards
Xfree86 4.0.1-0phase2v
I am trying to get Xfree86 to work on my Voodoo 3 - 3000 video card. I am running kernel 2.4.0-test9 and have libglide2 version 2000.08.08 installed. I get a segv from Xfree86, I have attached the messages that I get on stderr and have pasted in the back-trace from gdb on the core file. If you have any suggestions on further tests I can run or other things I can do then please let me know. The machine in question has no important data so I am not afraid of trying things that have potential to cause data loss. (gdb) bt #0 0x4007de01 in kill () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x4007dae4 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x4007f1f1 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0x806dc63 in ddxGiveUp () #4 0x806dd06 in AbortDDX () #5 0x80cf7c8 in AbortServer () #6 0x80d0c6a in FatalError () #7 0x807eab2 in xf86SigHandler () #8 0x4007dd38 in sigaction () from /lib/libc.so.6 #9 0x806cf3f in InitOutput () #10 0x80bb439 in main () #11 0x4006ebcc in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) -- http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page XFree86 Version 4.0.1c / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 28 August 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.18pre15 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Sun Oct 22 20:01:57 2000 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout Default Layout (**) |--Screen Default Screen (0) (**) | |--Monitor Generic Monitor (**) | |--Device Generic Graphics Device (**) |--Input Device Generic Keyboard (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) XKB: model: pc104 (**) XKB: layout: us (**) |--Input Device Generic Mouse (WW) The directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi (==) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (==) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (--) using VT number 4 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) 3Dfx Interactive Voodoo3 rev 1, Mem @ 0xde00/25, 0xe200/25, I/O @ 0xd800/8 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a (II) Module pex5: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.13.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a (II) Module xie: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.1.7 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a (II) Module speedo: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.0.1c, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading
Re: VSZ memory of X
Hmm. Just last night, I decided it was time to go to sleep once my X got up to 192M of VSZ and 120M RSS. While quitting, my machine hung. :-/ Sysrq was good enough to sync and unmount, but not reboot. Oh well. Has anyone else noticed strange memory use with recent phase2 .debs? * Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001022 10:57]: Hi My X uses 80M of VSZ but only 8M of RSS memory. The eight megabytes seams reasonably for an X server but why is the VSZ part so high? Does every program that runs under X request it from X and so raises X's memory statistic? I'm asking because I have only 64M and trying to save every bit... bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Premium Certified -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
xmessage
I was going to use xmessage to clear up the error mozilla gives on startup with an old .mozilla dir since running it from a menu gives no useful sign. The problem is that when I did xmessage -f /path/to/messagefile it showed no real text, just an empty white box, and an Ok button. Can anyone confirm this, and if so, is this a debian X problem, or upstream? Package: xbase-clients Version: 4.0.1-0phase2v17 -- Frank aka Myth The unix learning curve may be steep, but at leas you only have to climb it once -- unknown pgpeOQimrGJfg.pgp Description: PGP signature
sawfish-capplet and Nvidia's driver
I have a machine on which I'm running the latest phase2 debs. I have an Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS, and I am using Nvidia's drivers. 3D stuff is really fast, and X seems to work OK except that I cannot configure sawfish through the gnome control panel. Whenever, for example, I click the focus behavior item under sawfish in the gnome control panel, the sawfish-capplet goes off into lala land and consumes as much CPU as it can get seemingly forever. I am using the helix debs, but I think the same problem occurs with the stock debian gnome debs. Any ideas? -- Thomas E. Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIMMS/NSSL, Norman, OK, USA
Re: xmessage
The problem is that when I did xmessage -f /path/to/messagefile I'm using the 3.3.6 debs on this machine, but xmessage -f /tmp/x.msg gives me an xmessage containing -f /tmp/x.msg, while xmessage -file /tmp/x.msg works as expected. Perhaps you just need to spell out -file? Will
Re: xmessage
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 11:34:45PM -0400, Will Lowe wrote: The problem is that when I did xmessage -f /path/to/messagefile I'm using the 3.3.6 debs on this machine, but xmessage -f /tmp/x.msg gives me an xmessage containing -f /tmp/x.msg, while xmessage -file /tmp/x.msg works as expected. Perhaps you just need to spell out -file? Will Odd, that worked, but putting the message on the command line itself didn't Well, my purposes will now work, thanks for the debugging -- Frank aka Myth The unix learning curve may be steep, but at leas you only have to climb it once -- unknown pgp2LgdENLFQz.pgp Description: PGP signature
