Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Anthony Towns]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 03:04:54PM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> And if the problem does not show up I will have a working X4.0 on m68k! So I
> hope you are right... but it seems I have to do a fresh build, or is there a
> way to regenerate the makefiles from the imakefiles easily?
> I can not start that before tomorrow, building glibc2.2 now, gcc-2.95.3
> is next...

For reference: m68k is the only released architecture that doesn't have
X4 uploaded yet.

X4 can't be added to any architectures until it's ready to be added to
all architectures, because:
* Installing xfree86.dsc into testing/i386 means installing
  the new xlib6g package from X4 which is binary-all.
* Install a binary-all package into any architecture in a suite
  installs it into all architectures in that suite.
* Installing X4's xlib6g on m68k means everything that depends
  on xlib6g is uninstallable (since xlib6g depends on xlibs which
  hasn't been uploaded for m68k) which amounts to 1000 odd packages. 
.

At a guess, it's probably worthwhile uploading just the X client side of
X4 for m68k, which should at least mean that if X4 is added to testing
(woody), the only thing that'll be broken is the X server, rather than
a thousand otherwise innocent packages...

At the moment, btw, all the pre-tests for xfree86 are disabled (ie, RC bugs,
how old it is, whether some of the binaries on some architectures are
out of date compared to the source).

Cheers,
aj

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Re: [Exult-general] exult

[Gordon Sadler]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 05:16:06PM +1100, Dancer Vesperman wrote:
> Indeed. The xlibs seems to have completely disappeared from woody. I've 
> got several other packages depending on later versions than I have, but 
> no xlibs :/
> 
> CC'ed to debian-x whence I am about 10 weeks behind in my reading.

Most likely answer, you still have woody in your sources.list. Due to a
recent reorganization of the ftp archive woody==testing and
sid==unstable. In order to get the X4 stuff from official debs you
currently need to get them from sid<-->unstable.

Gordon Sadler

Re: [Exult-general] exult

[Gordon Sadler]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 05:16:06PM +1100, Dancer Vesperman wrote:
> Indeed. The xlibs seems to have completely disappeared from woody. I've 
> got several other packages depending on later versions than I have, but 
> no xlibs :/
> 
> CC'ed to debian-x whence I am about 10 weeks behind in my reading.

Most likely answer, you still have woody in your sources.list. Due to a
recent reorganization of the ftp archive woody==testing and
sid==unstable. In order to get the X4 stuff from official debs you
currently need to get them from sid<-->unstable.

Gordon Sadler


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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Michel Dänzer]

"Christian T. Steigies" wrote:

> > Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
> > '(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not
> > in the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.
> Ok, so you think something with the loader is wrong? When I look at the
> code, I find a few places where powerpc is mentioned, but mc68000 not, or
> not as often (coff, coffloader, elfloader, loader, ...). I have absolutely
> no idea whats happening there, should I ask Metro Link for help ;-)

I think it would be better if you asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart Anderson
from MetroLink is there as well as a lot of other XFree86 developers who
probably know more about that than I do.


> > Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up
> > there because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.
> And if the problem does not show up I will have a working X4.0 on m68k! So I
> hope you are right... but it seems I have to do a fresh build, or is there a
> way to regenerate the makefiles from the imakefiles easily?

You can try make Makefiles, however nothing but make World is guaranteed to
work.

BTW for this you could build only the server(s) (#define BuildServersOnly YES)
to cut down the time it takes.


Michel


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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:06:23PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> "Christian T. Steigies" wrote:

> > Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?
> 
> I don't remember, but I can ask someone on the APUS user list to send you a
> log if you want.
If you say thats not the problem...
 
> Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
> '(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not in
> the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.
Ok, so you think something with the loader is wrong? When I look at the
code, I find a few places where powerpc is mentioned, but mc68000 not, or
not as often (coff, coffloader, elfloader, loader, ...). I have absolutely
no idea whats happening there, should I ask Metro Link for help ;-)
 
> Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up there
> because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.
And if the problem does not show up I will have a working X4.0 on m68k! So I
hope you are right... but it seems I have to do a fresh build, or is there a
way to regenerate the makefiles from the imakefiles easily?
I can not start that before tomorrow, building glibc2.2 now, gcc-2.95.3
is next...

Christian
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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Michel Dänzer]

"Christian T. Steigies" wrote:

> > Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
> > '(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not
> > in the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.
> Ok, so you think something with the loader is wrong? When I look at the
> code, I find a few places where powerpc is mentioned, but mc68000 not, or
> not as often (coff, coffloader, elfloader, loader, ...). I have absolutely
> no idea whats happening there, should I ask Metro Link for help ;-)

I think it would be better if you asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart Anderson
from MetroLink is there as well as a lot of other XFree86 developers who
probably know more about that than I do.


> > Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up
> > there because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.
> And if the problem does not show up I will have a working X4.0 on m68k! So I
> hope you are right... but it seems I have to do a fresh build, or is there a
> way to regenerate the makefiles from the imakefiles easily?

You can try make Makefiles, however nothing but make World is guaranteed to
work.

BTW for this you could build only the server(s) (#define BuildServersOnly YES)
to cut down the time it takes.


Michel


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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Michel Dänzer]

"Christian T. Steigies" wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:38:45PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> >
> > As I pointed out earlier, PPC works without any PCI support.
> Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?

I don't remember, but I can ask someone on the APUS user list to send you a
log if you want.


> > > Note that I had to change an Imakefile to build stuff in bus/pci,
> > > because otherwise a makefile would go crazy. Maybe that was not the best
> > > idea?
> >
> > Everything is possible. Do you have a patch?
> Its in the 500_m68k patch. Right now it ony contains Imakefile patches,
> adding m68k where it was forgotten. I tried to mimic powerpc handling...

Sounds like a good idea to me...


> > Hmm looking closer at your previous log I begin to think the problem is
> > not about PCI at all. Here's a sane snippet:
> >
> > (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
> > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
> > (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
> > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0
> > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
> >
> > Yours failed right after the third '(II)' which looks like it is in the
> > loader code. Maybe something is wrong in the module metadata, similar to
> > the error you got now?
> Hmm, right, on my i386 PCI messages appear only one line later. What is
> wrong? ;-)

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
'(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not in
the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.


> > Can you build a static server (#define DoLoadableServer NO in host.def)
> > and run it in gdb?
> I'll try to do that without rebuilding the complete package.

Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up there
because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.


Michel


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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:06:23PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> "Christian T. Steigies" wrote:

> > Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?
> 
> I don't remember, but I can ask someone on the APUS user list to send you a
> log if you want.
If you say thats not the problem...
 
> Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
> '(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not in
> the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.
Ok, so you think something with the loader is wrong? When I look at the
code, I find a few places where powerpc is mentioned, but mc68000 not, or
not as often (coff, coffloader, elfloader, loader, ...). I have absolutely
no idea whats happening there, should I ask Metro Link for help ;-)
 
> Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up there
> because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.
And if the problem does not show up I will have a working X4.0 on m68k! So I
hope you are right... but it seems I have to do a fresh build, or is there a
way to regenerate the makefiles from the imakefiles easily?
I can not start that before tomorrow, building glibc2.2 now, gcc-2.95.3
is next...

Christian
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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Michel Dänzer]

"Christian T. Steigies" wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:38:45PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> >
> > As I pointed out earlier, PPC works without any PCI support.
> Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?

I don't remember, but I can ask someone on the APUS user list to send you a
log if you want.


> > > Note that I had to change an Imakefile to build stuff in bus/pci,
> > > because otherwise a makefile would go crazy. Maybe that was not the best
> > > idea?
> >
> > Everything is possible. Do you have a patch?
> Its in the 500_m68k patch. Right now it ony contains Imakefile patches,
> adding m68k where it was forgotten. I tried to mimic powerpc handling...

Sounds like a good idea to me...


> > Hmm looking closer at your previous log I begin to think the problem is
> > not about PCI at all. Here's a sane snippet:
> >
> > (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
> > (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
> > (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
> > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0
> > ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
> >
> > Yours failed right after the third '(II)' which looks like it is in the
> > loader code. Maybe something is wrong in the module metadata, similar to
> > the error you got now?
> Hmm, right, on my i386 PCI messages appear only one line later. What is
> wrong? ;-)

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Your original log stops directly after the
'(II)', not even the 'Module pcidata: ...' is there. So it's probably not in
the pcidata module code that the segfault occurs.


> > Can you build a static server (#define DoLoadableServer NO in host.def)
> > and run it in gdb?
> I'll try to do that without rebuilding the complete package.

Yep, unfortunately, if my suspicion is right the problem won't show up there
because there will be no modules. But at least we'll know then.


Michel


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Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:38:45PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> 
> As I pointed out earlier, PPC works without any PCI support.
Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?
 
> > Note that I had to change an Imakefile to build stuff in bus/pci, because
> > otherwise a makefile would go crazy. Maybe that was not the best idea?
> 
> Everything is possible. Do you have a patch?
Its in the 500_m68k patch. Right now it ony contains Imakefile patches,
adding m68k where it was forgotten. I tried to mimic powerpc handling...
 
> Hmm looking closer at your previous log I begin to think the problem is not
> about PCI at all. Here's a sane snippet:
> 
> (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
> (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0
> ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
> 
> Yours failed right after the third '(II)' which looks like it is in the loader
> code. Maybe something is wrong in the module metadata, similar to the error
> you got now?
Hmm, right, on my i386 PCI messages appear only one line later. What is
wrong? ;-)

> Can you build a static server (#define DoLoadableServer NO in host.def) and
> run it in gdb?
I'll try to do that without rebuilding the complete package.

Christian

Re: XFree86 4.0.2 status

[Christian T. Steigies]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:38:45PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> 
> As I pointed out earlier, PPC works without any PCI support.
Hmm, does PPC load libpcidata? Is there any special handling?
 
> > Note that I had to change an Imakefile to build stuff in bus/pci, because
> > otherwise a makefile would go crazy. Maybe that was not the best idea?
> 
> Everything is possible. Do you have a patch?
Its in the 500_m68k patch. Right now it ony contains Imakefile patches,
adding m68k where it was forgotten. I tried to mimic powerpc handling...
 
> Hmm looking closer at your previous log I begin to think the problem is not
> about PCI at all. Here's a sane snippet:
> 
> (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
> (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0
> ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.3
> 
> Yours failed right after the third '(II)' which looks like it is in the loader
> code. Maybe something is wrong in the module metadata, similar to the error
> you got now?
Hmm, right, on my i386 PCI messages appear only one line later. What is
wrong? ;-)

> Can you build a static server (#define DoLoadableServer NO in host.def) and
> run it in gdb?
I'll try to do that without rebuilding the complete package.

Christian


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Re: [Exult-general] exult

[Dancer Vesperman]

Indeed. The xlibs seems to have completely disappeared from woody. I've 
got several other packages depending on later versions than I have, but 
no xlibs :/


CC'ed to debian-x whence I am about 10 weeks behind in my reading.

D


Marcel Schmid wrote:


Hi
   I run debian and enjoy all the ultima's . I downloaded Exult with
great interest and got all the files i need but one.xlibs>=4.0.1-1 is
classified as unstable ( i have no problem with that) but i cant find
xlibs on any platform to download. Not even as source. And source would
be great.
Can u help??

thx
Marcel



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