Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Edward C. Lang wrote:

>> > So I make that change, and now I see:
>> > 
>> > Fatal Server error:
>> > Requested Entity already in use!
>> > 
>> > I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
>> > file changes?
>> 
>> Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
>> Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
>> Xpert@XFree86.Org list.
>
>Well... looking at the driver source[0], I see the following comment:
>
> /* Xinerama has sync problem with DRI, disable it for now */
>if(xf86IsEntityShared(pScrn->entityList[0]))
>{
>info->directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;
>xf86DrvMsg(scrnIndex, X_WARNING,
>"Direct Rendering Disabled -- "
>"Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI "
>"at present.\nPlease use only one Device/Screen "
>"section in your XFConfig file.\n");
>}
>
>So maybe I'll try a kernel with no DRI support. But that's going to suck in
>different ways.

Why change your kernel, when you can just disable DRI in the 
config file?  Or better yet, just leave it alone and let the 
above code fragment do it for you.  ;o)

One point to mention though is that the comment that is displayed 
mentions "XFConfig" file of which their is no such thing.  Typo.



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Pax Displayicus Managerius, v2

2001-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson

Hi folks.

As may be expected, users of the now-cooperating display manager
packages have uncovered a few bugs in the way my proposal works.

See, for instance:

bugs.debian.org/115776

So, attached you will find new versions of the config script, the
templates file, the postinst, and the prerm.  Ryan Murray and I worked
out these fixes on IRC.

In summary:

1) The config script removes the default display manager file if the
user changes his answer to the question (instead of only if the new
choice is the same as the current package).

2) All the packages need to be able to write the full path to the newly
selected display manager, even if it's not the same as the package
currently being configured.  In other words, it needs to be possible for
the user to run, e.g., "dpkg-reconfigure gdm", pick wdm as the new
default, and have this fact written to the default display manager file
instead of having to run "dpkg --configure wdm" subsequently.  It will
still be necessary in some cases (depending on how the package works) to
run the postinst script of the new default display manager package, but
at least this way the default display manager *file* will be correct no
matter which package's config script is run to change the default.

To enable this, each display manager package needs to provide a new,
read-only template (i.e., you never use a db_input on it in your config
script) that contains the full path to the display manager executable.

3) The prerm script has also been made more robust, removing the default
display manager file if it currently references the display manager that
is being removed, then writing it if it does not exist after the user
has answered the question.

Needless to say, there is a lot of stuff in the attached prerm and
postinst scripts that maintainers of other display managers don't need
to worry about.  I'll be rolling this stuff out for testing in
4.1.0-8pre9v2.

Finally, please be sure and incorporate debconf translation patches, so
that everyone can understand and marvel at the coolness of being able to
have 4 display managers installed simultaneously.

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#!/bin/sh
# Debian xdm package configuration script
# Copyright 2000-2001 Branden Robinson.
# Licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 2.  See the file
# /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL or .

set -e

# source debconf library
. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule

THIS_PACKAGE=xdm
DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE=/etc/X11/default-display-manager

# set default display manager

db_get shared/default-x-display-manager
OLD_DEFAULT="$RET"

db_metaget shared/default-x-display-manager owners
OWNERS="$RET"
db_metaget shared/default-x-display-manager choices
CHOICES="$RET"

if [ "$OWNERS" != "$CHOICES" ]; then
  db_subst shared/default-x-display-manager choices $OWNERS
  db_fset shared/default-x-display-manager seen false
fi

db_input high shared/default-x-display-manager || true
db_go

# using this display manager?
db_get shared/default-x-display-manager
CURRENT_DEFAULT="$RET"

# remove the default display manager file if we're going to change it
if [ "$OLD_DEFAULT" != "$CURRENT_DEFAULT" ]; then
  rm -f $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE
fi

if [ "$CURRENT_DEFAULT" = "$THIS_PACKAGE" ]; then
  # give 'em the news
  db_input medium xdm/default_nolisten_udp || true
  db_input medium xdm/default_servers_100dpi || true
  db_input medium xdm/default_servers_nolisten_tcp || true
  db_go
fi

exit 0

# vim:set ai et sts=2 sw=2 tw=0:


Template: shared/default-x-display-manager
Type: select
Choices: ${choices}
Description: Select the desired default display manager.
 A display manager is a program that provides graphical login capabilities
 for the X Window System.
 .
 Only one display manager can manage a given X server, but multiple display
 manager packages are installed.  Please select which display manager
 should run by default.
 .
 (Multiple display managers can run simultaneously if they are configured
 to manage different servers; to achieve this, configure the display
 managers accordingly, edit each of their init scripts in /etc/init.d, and
 disable the check for a default display manager.)

Template: xdm/default_nolisten_udp
Type: note
Description: xdm does not listen on a UDP port by default.
 Because xdm (the X Display Manager) is a daemon that runs with superuser
 privileges, by default it runs with UDP port listening disabled as a security
 measure.  This means that, as shipped, xdm is not reachable via the network
 and is unable to manage X servers running on remote hosts.  Most people do
 not need to enable UDP port listening in xdm; it can manage local X servers
 without this functionality enabled.
 .
 xdm can be configured to manage remote X servers by a

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Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Mike A. Harris

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Edward C. Lang wrote:

>> > So I make that change, and now I see:
>> > 
>> > Fatal Server error:
>> > Requested Entity already in use!
>> > 
>> > I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
>> > file changes?
>> 
>> Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
>> Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.
>
>Well... looking at the driver source[0], I see the following comment:
>
> /* Xinerama has sync problem with DRI, disable it for now */
>if(xf86IsEntityShared(pScrn->entityList[0]))
>{
>info->directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;
>xf86DrvMsg(scrnIndex, X_WARNING,
>"Direct Rendering Disabled -- "
>"Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI "
>"at present.\nPlease use only one Device/Screen "
>"section in your XFConfig file.\n");
>}
>
>So maybe I'll try a kernel with no DRI support. But that's going to suck in
>different ways.

Why change your kernel, when you can just disable DRI in the 
config file?  Or better yet, just leave it alone and let the 
above code fragment do it for you.  ;o)

One point to mention though is that the comment that is displayed 
mentions "XFConfig" file of which their is no such thing.  Typo.



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Re: New ARM elfloader patch

2001-10-21 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:14:33PM +0100, Philip Blundell wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christian T. Steigies" writes:
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:11:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 
> >> Can you run it under gdb and see where it crashes?  It would be
> >> interesting to see the output of "objdump -r" on libbitmap.a and
> >> libpcidata.a, too.
> >Sure, logfiles at:
> >http://people.debian.org/~cts/x4.1/
> 
> Thanks.  The gdb output isn't all that enlightening, though -- it's crashing 
> inside the C library.  Could you do it again, and this time use "bt" to find 
> out what the call trace was?
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xc00b6d26 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0  0xc00b6d26 in strlen () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0xc0097e48 in vfprintf () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2  0xc00acf50 in vsnprintf () from /lib/libc.so.6
#3  0x80037d86 in xf86EnableDisableFBAccess ()
#4  0x80037f82 in xf86VDrvMsgVerb ()
#5  0x80038010 in xf86Msg ()
#6  0x8004cf20 in LoaderFreeDirList ()
#7  0x8004d69a in LoadModule ()
#8  0x800274e8 in xf86LoadModules ()
#9  0x80025b46 in InitOutput ()
#10 0x8006db8c in main ()
#11 0xc0073ebc in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6

Christian



Re: can I get some feedback on -7pre8v1, please?

2001-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:35:52AM +0200, Kenneth Johansson wrote:
> I got some problems with fonts. X did not start but aborted could not find
> font fixed.
> 
> I removed all xfonts- packages and reinstalled with only 75&100 dpi plus misc
> and it works. Don't know what was wrong. I run the update-fonts- command but
> this did not help.

Apparently the biznet fonts maintainer shipped broken fonts.alias files
and didn't bother to test his package.

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Re: can I get some feedback on -7pre8v1, please?

2001-10-21 Thread Kenneth Johansson
I got some problems with fonts. X did not start but aborted could not find
font fixed.

I removed all xfonts- packages and reinstalled with only 75&100 dpi plus misc
and it works. Don't know what was wrong. I run the update-fonts- command but
this did not help.

Branden Robinson wrote:

> It works fine for me.  Can some other i386 users please try out this
> version from the X Strike Force and report any problems specific to this
> version to this mailing list?
>
> --
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> Debian GNU/Linux   |  human selfishness.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] |  -- Robert Heinlein
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>
>   
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Re: where are the lucida fonts?

2001-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 12:32:41PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> after upgrading to the latest -8 XFree packages in Unstable, all lucida
> and lucida-typewriter fonts are no longer available. What happened?
> I downgraded fonts packages and xfs to testing, does not help.

I made no changes to the X font packages between -7 and -8, sorry.

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Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Edward C. Lang
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 05:28:17PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 05:08, Edward C. Lang wrote:
> 
> > So I make that change, and now I see:
> > 
> > Fatal Server error:
> > Requested Entity already in use!
> > 
> > I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
> > file changes?
> 
> Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
> Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
> Xpert@XFree86.Org list.

Well... looking at the driver source[0], I see the following comment:

 /* Xinerama has sync problem with DRI, disable it for now */
if(xf86IsEntityShared(pScrn->entityList[0]))
{
info->directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;
xf86DrvMsg(scrnIndex, X_WARNING,
"Direct Rendering Disabled -- "
"Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI "
"at present.\nPlease use only one Device/Screen "
"section in your XFConfig file.\n");
}

So maybe I'll try a kernel with no DRI support. But that's going to suck in
different ways.

Regards,

Edward.

[0] 
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c

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Re: can I get some feedback on -7pre8v1, please?

2001-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson

On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:35:52AM +0200, Kenneth Johansson wrote:
> I got some problems with fonts. X did not start but aborted could not find
> font fixed.
> 
> I removed all xfonts- packages and reinstalled with only 75&100 dpi plus misc
> and it works. Don't know what was wrong. I run the update-fonts- command but
> this did not help.

Apparently the biznet fonts maintainer shipped broken fonts.alias files
and didn't bother to test his package.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] |you're doing it right."
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Re: can I get some feedback on -7pre8v1, please?

2001-10-21 Thread Kenneth Johansson

I got some problems with fonts. X did not start but aborted could not find
font fixed.

I removed all xfonts- packages and reinstalled with only 75&100 dpi plus misc
and it works. Don't know what was wrong. I run the update-fonts- command but
this did not help.

Branden Robinson wrote:

> It works fine for me.  Can some other i386 users please try out this
> version from the X Strike Force and report any problems specific to this
> version to this mailing list?
>
> --
> G. Branden Robinson|  The greatest productive force is
> Debian GNU/Linux   |  human selfishness.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] |  -- Robert Heinlein
> http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
>
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Re: where are the lucida fonts?

2001-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson

On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 12:32:41PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> after upgrading to the latest -8 XFree packages in Unstable, all lucida
> and lucida-typewriter fonts are no longer available. What happened?
> I downgraded fonts packages and xfs to testing, does not help.

I made no changes to the X font packages between -7 and -8, sorry.

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Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Edward C. Lang

On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 05:28:17PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 05:08, Edward C. Lang wrote:
> 
> > So I make that change, and now I see:
> > 
> > Fatal Server error:
> > Requested Entity already in use!
> > 
> > I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
> > file changes?
> 
> Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
> Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.

Well... looking at the driver source[0], I see the following comment:

 /* Xinerama has sync problem with DRI, disable it for now */
if(xf86IsEntityShared(pScrn->entityList[0]))
{
info->directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;
xf86DrvMsg(scrnIndex, X_WARNING,
"Direct Rendering Disabled -- "
"Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI "
"at present.\nPlease use only one Device/Screen "
"section in your XFConfig file.\n");
}

So maybe I'll try a kernel with no DRI support. But that's going to suck in
different ways.

Regards,

Edward.

[0] 
http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c

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Re: New ARM elfloader patch

2001-10-21 Thread Philip Blundell
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christian T. Steigies" writes:
>On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:11:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> Can you run it under gdb and see where it crashes?  It would be
>> interesting to see the output of "objdump -r" on libbitmap.a and
>> libpcidata.a, too.
>Sure, logfiles at:
>http://people.debian.org/~cts/x4.1/

Thanks.  The gdb output isn't all that enlightening, though -- it's crashing 
inside the C library.  Could you do it again, and this time use "bt" to find 
out what the call trace was?

p.



Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 05:08, Edward C. Lang wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 02:51:17PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> > > Section "ServerLayout"
> > >   Identifier  "Multihead X"
> > 
> > Screen  "CoffeScreen"
> > 
> > >   Screen  "CentreScreen" LeftOf "CoffeeScreen"
> > >   InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
> > >   InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
> > >   Option  "Xinerama"
> > > EndSection
> > 
> 
> So I make that change, and now I see:
> 
> Fatal Server error:
> Requested Entity already in use!
> 
> I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
> file changes?

Certainly looks that way. The only thing I can think of for you to try
is to play with leaving out the bus ID from either or both device
sections. But I very much doubt it will work.

Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
Xpert@XFree86.Org list.


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Re: New ARM elfloader patch

2001-10-21 Thread Philip Blundell

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christian T. Steigies" writes:
>On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:11:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> Can you run it under gdb and see where it crashes?  It would be
>> interesting to see the output of "objdump -r" on libbitmap.a and
>> libpcidata.a, too.
>Sure, logfiles at:
>http://people.debian.org/~cts/x4.1/

Thanks.  The gdb output isn't all that enlightening, though -- it's crashing 
inside the C library.  Could you do it again, and this time use "bt" to find 
out what the call trace was?

p.


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Re: Dualhead ATI Radeon VE

2001-10-21 Thread Michel Dänzer

On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 05:08, Edward C. Lang wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 02:51:17PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> > > Section "ServerLayout"
> > >   Identifier  "Multihead X"
> > 
> > Screen  "CoffeScreen"
> > 
> > >   Screen  "CentreScreen" LeftOf "CoffeeScreen"
> > >   InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
> > >   InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
> > >   Option  "Xinerama"
> > > EndSection
> > 
> 
> So I make that change, and now I see:
> 
> Fatal Server error:
> Requested Entity already in use!
> 
> I assume that's a driver issue, and not resolvable by simple configuration 
> file changes?

Certainly looks that way. The only thing I can think of for you to try
is to play with leaving out the bus ID from either or both device
sections. But I very much doubt it will work.

Is the 4.1.0 driver even supposed to support dualhead on these chips?
Maybe the current CVS driver does, you may want to ask on the
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where are the lucida fonts?

2001-10-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hello,

after upgrading to the latest -8 XFree packages in Unstable, all lucida
and lucida-typewriter fonts are no longer available. What happened?
I downgraded fonts packages and xfs to testing, does not help.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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mächtigeren und langwierig zu erlernenden Tools (Sprache).
 Achim Linder in de.comp.os.linux.misc



xdmcp and "X terminals"

2001-10-21 Thread Hugo van der Merwe
I want to set up an old Pentium 120 as an X terminal, to log in remotely
on my desktop. I have read some documentation, and figured out that one
of the ?dm packages does the serving, but I cannot figure out what to do
on the client to make it ask for a login with XDMCP. Can anyone point me
in the direction of a package or some docs?

Thanks,
Hugo van der Merwe



where are the lucida fonts?

2001-10-21 Thread Eduard Bloch

Hello,

after upgrading to the latest -8 XFree packages in Unstable, all lucida
and lucida-typewriter fonts are no longer available. What happened?
I downgraded fonts packages and xfs to testing, does not help.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
-- 
Die meisten Menschen pflegen im Kindesalter vom Zeigen auf Gegenstände
(Mausbewegung) und "ga" sagen (Mausklick) abzukommen, zugunsten eines
mächtigeren und langwierig zu erlernenden Tools (Sprache).
 Achim Linder in de.comp.os.linux.misc


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xdmcp and "X terminals"

2001-10-21 Thread Hugo van der Merwe

I want to set up an old Pentium 120 as an X terminal, to log in remotely
on my desktop. I have read some documentation, and figured out that one
of the ?dm packages does the serving, but I cannot figure out what to do
on the client to make it ask for a login with XDMCP. Can anyone point me
in the direction of a package or some docs?

Thanks,
Hugo van der Merwe


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