Re: Charsets on Debian
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:23:41PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? > SB> Also, how do I change my charset? > > Change your locale to one with a different charset, and pray. > > SB> Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by > SB> default? > > There's no such thing as a ``default'' charset; there's the locale's > charset. The default Western-European locales (fr_FR, de_DE, etc.) > use ISO 8859-1, but there are variant locales that use ISO 8859-15 > ([EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.) and other variants that use UTF-8 (fr_FR.UTF8 etc.) But you might want to use a given charset to display stuff, but use another language for your locales. An example of this is when you have a mail reading program, where you wish to be able to view ISO 8859-1 correctly, but still keep the english localized messages. Friendly, Sven Luther
X Server Configuration 3.3.6 in Woody does not work
Hello, I hope this is the right list for my problem. Sorry if not. After the installation of XFree 4.1 does not work properly on my system (the X server first starts correctly and seems to be ok but can't be finished without to hook off the screen and lock the whole machine later) I deciced to change back to Release 3.3.6 which worked fine on my laptop with a former installed Potato. During installing the XFree86 3.3.6 server (xserver-s3v) on a clean installed woody (via boot-floppies 3.1.18 without any problems) debconf reports the folling error: dexconf: this tool does not know how to configure the "xserver-s3v" X server. Unable to write X server configuration file. The same happend when I used the vga16 and svga server from 3.3.6. I tested the configuration process with xf86config but it reports problem with some missing card definitions and finally dies with a segmentation fault. The same happend after the install of xf86setup package. The call of XF86Setup failed with missing card data and stopped execution with a segmentation fault. So, what to do. I did some investigation in several mailing lists (debian-x, debian-testing) but find no hint for a my problem. Can anybody help? BTW. My system is a toshiba laptop Satellite Pro 490CDT (a bit old but still working) Thanks a lot in advance Olaf Jaeger
Re: Charsets on Debian
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:23:41PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? > SB> Also, how do I change my charset? > > Change your locale to one with a different charset, and pray. > > SB> Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by > SB> default? > > There's no such thing as a ``default'' charset; there's the locale's > charset. The default Western-European locales (fr_FR, de_DE, etc.) > use ISO 8859-1, but there are variant locales that use ISO 8859-15 > (fr_FR@euro, etc.) and other variants that use UTF-8 (fr_FR.UTF8 etc.) But you might want to use a given charset to display stuff, but use another language for your locales. An example of this is when you have a mail reading program, where you wish to be able to view ISO 8859-1 correctly, but still keep the english localized messages. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Charsets on Debian
Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? SB> I recognize that on my US Debian system, characters 0-127 are SB> simply ASCII, and that characters 160-255 are ISO-8859-1. SB> What standard covers characters 128-159? ISO 2022, or perhaps ISO 6429. Or something else. (The nice thing about standards etc.) Codes 128 through 159 are control characters, not printable characters. A number of character sets, however, do use these positions for printable characters; they are known as ``unstructured'' character sets in ISO 2022 terminology (most notable among those are the Microsoft codepages and Big 5). SB> Also, how do I change my charset? Change your locale to one with a different charset, and pray. SB> Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by SB> default? There's no such thing as a ``default'' charset; there's the locale's charset. The default Western-European locales (fr_FR, de_DE, etc.) use ISO 8859-1, but there are variant locales that use ISO 8859-15 ([EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.) and other variants that use UTF-8 (fr_FR.UTF8 etc.) (Actually I'm lying: there is a default locale, called ``C'' or POSIX, and hence a default charset. Under current releases of libc, the charset of the C locale is ASCII -- only codes 0 through 127.) Making fr_FR etc. use ISO 8859-15 requires a simple manipulation as root using the localedef utility. However, doing so would break a certain amount of software (notably Xlib). So don't. Juliusz
X Server Configuration 3.3.6 in Woody does not work
Hello, I hope this is the right list for my problem. Sorry if not. After the installation of XFree 4.1 does not work properly on my system (the X server first starts correctly and seems to be ok but can't be finished without to hook off the screen and lock the whole machine later) I deciced to change back to Release 3.3.6 which worked fine on my laptop with a former installed Potato. During installing the XFree86 3.3.6 server (xserver-s3v) on a clean installed woody (via boot-floppies 3.1.18 without any problems) debconf reports the folling error: dexconf: this tool does not know how to configure the "xserver-s3v" X server. Unable to write X server configuration file. The same happend when I used the vga16 and svga server from 3.3.6. I tested the configuration process with xf86config but it reports problem with some missing card definitions and finally dies with a segmentation fault. The same happend after the install of xf86setup package. The call of XF86Setup failed with missing card data and stopped execution with a segmentation fault. So, what to do. I did some investigation in several mailing lists (debian-x, debian-testing) but find no hint for a my problem. Can anybody help? BTW. My system is a toshiba laptop Satellite Pro 490CDT (a bit old but still working) Thanks a lot in advance Olaf Jaeger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Charsets on Debian
Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? SB> I recognize that on my US Debian system, characters 0-127 are SB> simply ASCII, and that characters 160-255 are ISO-8859-1. SB> What standard covers characters 128-159? ISO 2022, or perhaps ISO 6429. Or something else. (The nice thing about standards etc.) Codes 128 through 159 are control characters, not printable characters. A number of character sets, however, do use these positions for printable characters; they are known as ``unstructured'' character sets in ISO 2022 terminology (most notable among those are the Microsoft codepages and Big 5). SB> Also, how do I change my charset? Change your locale to one with a different charset, and pray. SB> Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by SB> default? There's no such thing as a ``default'' charset; there's the locale's charset. The default Western-European locales (fr_FR, de_DE, etc.) use ISO 8859-1, but there are variant locales that use ISO 8859-15 (fr_FR@euro, etc.) and other variants that use UTF-8 (fr_FR.UTF8 etc.) (Actually I'm lying: there is a default locale, called ``C'' or POSIX, and hence a default charset. Under current releases of libc, the charset of the C locale is ASCII -- only codes 0 through 127.) Making fr_FR etc. use ISO 8859-15 requires a simple manipulation as root using the localedef utility. However, doing so would break a certain amount of software (notably Xlib). So don't. Juliusz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charsets on Debian
I recognize that on my US Debian system, characters 0-127 are simply ASCII, and that characters 160-255 are ISO-8859-1. What standard covers characters 128-159? Also, how do I change my charset? Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by default? Thank you, - Scott
Charsets on Debian
I recognize that on my US Debian system, characters 0-127 are simply ASCII, and that characters 160-255 are ISO-8859-1. What standard covers characters 128-159? Also, how do I change my charset? Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by default? Thank you, - Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
