Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:32:05AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 10:16 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau > > > wrote: > > > > (...) > > > > xserver-xorg-video-sis > > > > (...) > > > > The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of > > relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were > > essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's > > a link with good pics: > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html > > and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. > > It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint > > of a "shuttle", but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video > > cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me > > nothing > > but grief through the years. > > > > In the "unsolved wontfix" ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is > > made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA > > causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround > > is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of "bad breath is better than > > no breath". > > This sounds like a good reason to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev > also fail on this hardware. (k)ubuntu's "plymouth" can't figure out a supported mode for a graphical boot, so I'm guessing vesa and fbdev fail worse than sis. Only way to see anything besides a blank screen during boot is to tell grub not to do the whole splash screen thing. Installs from scratch on this machine are "interesting." Don't save the SiS driver for one person, but know that I will miss it for a select few machines, warts and all. --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929043420.ga19...@gherkin.frus.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 10:16 -0500, Bob Tracy wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: > > > (...) > > > xserver-xorg-video-sis > > > (...) > > The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of > relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were > essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's > a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html > and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. > It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint > of a "shuttle", but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video > cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing > but grief through the years. > > In the "unsolved wontfix" ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is > made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA > causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround > is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of "bad breath is better than > no breath". This sounds like a good reason to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev also fail on this hardware. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings The world is coming to an end. Please log off. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
Hey, Op 28-09-13 17:16, Bob Tracy schreef: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: >>> (...) >>> xserver-xorg-video-sis >>> (...) > The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of > relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were > essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's > a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html > and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. > It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint > of a "shuttle", but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video > cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing > but grief through the years. > > In the "unsolved wontfix" ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is > made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA > causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround > is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of "bad breath is better than > no breath". So the default configuration is broken and the xorg team no longer wants to maintain it. If you're willing to fix this bug and maintain xxv-sis with uploads go right ahead, if not it just means that dropping is the right thing to do. ~Maarten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52470641.8040...@canonical.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
Off the top of my head, my Sun E3500 (8x 64-bit SPARC CPUs) has an SBUS
graphics adapter that is one of those cg{N} adapters, but honestly, Linux
support for E3500 is shoddy at best, so it's fine by me.
Patrick
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jurij Smakov wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we (the debian X Strike Force) are thinking of removing the following
>> packages from the archive, unless somebody steps up (soon) to take care
>> of them. The reason is they see 0 testing, nobody maintains them
>> upstream, if you're lucky people keep some of them building when APIs
>> change, if you're very lucky they get a release with all the build fixes
>> once in a while, and it's likely most of them don't have any users
>> anymore. While it would probably be easy to get them to stop FTBFS
>> right now, it doesn't seem worth it to keep all of those drivers around
>> with the maintenance overhead that comes with that if nobody's going to
>> notice anyway. So please speak up if you want to see one of these in
>> jessie.
>>
>> xserver-xorg-video-apm
>> xserver-xorg-video-ark
>> xserver-xorg-video-chips
>> xserver-xorg-video-glint
>> xserver-xorg-video-i128
>> xserver-xorg-video-i740
>> xserver-xorg-video-newport
>> xserver-xorg-video-rendition
>> xserver-xorg-video-s3
>> xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
>> xserver-xorg-video-sis
>> xserver-xorg-video-suncg14
>> xserver-xorg-video-suncg3
>> xserver-xorg-video-suncg6
>> xserver-xorg-video-sunleo
>> xserver-xorg-video-suntcx
>>
>
> Adding debian-sparc to discuss these 5. I think all of them are only
> available in sparc32 machines, but I might be wrong.
> --
> Jurij Smakov | ju...@wooyd.org | Key IDs: 43C30A7D/C99E03CC
>
Bug#695496: marked as done (mesa: Torchlight crashes because of mesa texture problem)
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Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 02:29:05PM +0100, Jurij Smakov wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: > > (...) > > xserver-xorg-video-sis > > (...) The SiS chipset was, unfortunately, really popular with manufacturers of relatively expensive micro PeeCees (EzGo, Jadetec, etc.), which were essentially notebook hardware crammed into a small desktop case. Here's a link with good pics: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/smallest,530-2.html and see also http://www.snotmonkey.com/work/ezgo/ for detailed specs. It's based on the P4, and I've got one of them. Case has the footprint of a "shuttle", but is about half the height. If I *could* switch video cards, I'd do it in a heartbeat because SiS video cards have given me nothing but grief through the years. In the "unsolved wontfix" ubuntu bug list for the driver, mention is made of the fact XAA support went bye-bye, and the attempted use of EXA causes looping segfaults on X server startup. Only current workaround is to disable acceleration. Truly a case of "bad breath is better than no breath". --Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130928151657.ga17...@gherkin.frus.com
Re: Removing old unmaintained X drivers
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Julien Cristau wrote: > Hi, > > we (the debian X Strike Force) are thinking of removing the following > packages from the archive, unless somebody steps up (soon) to take care > of them. The reason is they see 0 testing, nobody maintains them > upstream, if you're lucky people keep some of them building when APIs > change, if you're very lucky they get a release with all the build fixes > once in a while, and it's likely most of them don't have any users > anymore. While it would probably be easy to get them to stop FTBFS > right now, it doesn't seem worth it to keep all of those drivers around > with the maintenance overhead that comes with that if nobody's going to > notice anyway. So please speak up if you want to see one of these in > jessie. > > xserver-xorg-video-apm > xserver-xorg-video-ark > xserver-xorg-video-chips > xserver-xorg-video-glint > xserver-xorg-video-i128 > xserver-xorg-video-i740 > xserver-xorg-video-newport > xserver-xorg-video-rendition > xserver-xorg-video-s3 > xserver-xorg-video-s3virge > xserver-xorg-video-sis > xserver-xorg-video-suncg14 > xserver-xorg-video-suncg3 > xserver-xorg-video-suncg6 > xserver-xorg-video-sunleo > xserver-xorg-video-suntcx > Adding debian-sparc to discuss these 5. I think all of them are only available in sparc32 machines, but I might be wrong. -- Jurij Smakov | ju...@wooyd.org | Key IDs: 43C30A7D/C99E03CC
