Re: x configuration process

2004-04-30 Thread Nick Urban

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 08:30:17PM -0700, Nick Urban wrote:
 

Why does X not attempt to configure itself automatically before asking 
the user questions?
   



Depends on whether discover and friends are installed or not.

 

Okay, well I'm pretty sure discover and friends are installed by 
default, and I was still prompted with questions during my sarge install.
For some things I was given the option of auto-detection, but with the 
values it came up with for my monitor config, I seemed to be limited 
more than I should have been.


The debconf configurator asks lots of questions that many users don't 
understand or care about. If the user does care, they can always just 
run `XFree86 -configure' and do some manual editing.
   



Oh, and doing it that way subjects clueless users to LESS intimidating
questions.  Not.  Branden's configuration method is pretty moron-friendly.

 

The point I was trying to make is that there are basically two classes 
of users, those who know how to set up X and those who don't. The former 
don't need the debconf interface, and the latter don't understand it. 
I'm not suggesting that those who don't understand debconf would 
understand XF86Config.


In any case, the system should at least try to autodetect everything and 
only prompt the user if it fails... is this currently what it does?



Does X it normally autoconfigure when working correctly, or is this a
bigger problem. If it is, can we just steal knoppix autoconfigure system?
   



Please, no... can we have something that works, instead?

 


All I know is that in my testing, it always worked with no hassles.
In what way does knoppix autodetection not work?

I'm not writing just to complain. There seem to be autodetection schemes 
out there that work, and I'd like to help Debian make use of them if 
possible.


Nick




x configuration process

2004-04-29 Thread Nick Urban

Hi, I'm new to the list, hope this is the right place for this question.

Why does X not attempt to configure itself automatically before asking 
the user questions?
The debconf configurator asks lots of questions that many users don't 
understand or care about. If the user does care, they can always just 
run `XFree86 -configure' and do some manual editing.


I found a similar question and answer posted here as a bug report:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/debian-x-200308/msg00733.html

However, when I installed sarge, X was not autoconfigured.
I checked after the install if the packages mentioned in the above URL 
are indeed installed, which they were. I suppose it's possible that they 
were installed in the wrong order or something, but that seems unlikely.


Does X it normally autoconfigure when working correctly, or is this a 
bigger problem.

If it is, can we just steal knoppix autoconfigure system?

Thanks,
Nick Urban