Re: Charsets on Debian
Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? No, it's not. Sorry about that. It was leading up to my offer, which is about the X keyboard layout and not i18n. I haven't seen the Compose Key documented anywhere, so I tried to write something up. If the X Strike Force wants to include this anywhere, you guys get first dibs. It's not quite finished yet... there are still a few holes that I couldn't fill: http://www.trestle.com/linux/xkey/extended.html#LATIN1TABLE Anyhow, it's yours if you want it. - Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Charsets on Debian
Er... that's not strictly X related, what's a better mailing list? No, it's not. Sorry about that. It was leading up to my offer, which is about the X keyboard layout and not i18n. I haven't seen the Compose Key documented anywhere, so I tried to write something up. If the X Strike Force wants to include this anywhere, you guys get first dibs. It's not quite finished yet... there are still a few holes that I couldn't fill: http://www.trestle.com/linux/xkey/extended.html#LATIN1TABLE Anyhow, it's yours if you want it. - Scott
Charsets on Debian
I recognize that on my US Debian system, characters 0-127 are simply ASCII, and that characters 160-255 are ISO-8859-1. What standard covers characters 128-159? Also, how do I change my charset? Wouldn't it be better if the Debian X packages used ISO-8859-15 by default? Thank you, - Scott
Disabling x-session-manager
Hi, guys. I want to have an x-session-manager installed, but I still want to start up a window manager. Problem is, Branden's startup scripts don't allow this. So, I put together this .deb. It just adds another x-session-manager to update-alternatives: NONE. When you select none, then the session manager is skipped and the scripts immediately try to fire up the window manager. So, now you can have a session manager installed without being forced to run it. And, everything is controllable using the friendly update-alternatives system. There mus be other people out there who want this as well... Should I submit this? Or, should I send Branden a patched 50xfree86-common_determine-startup script instead? It's only 3K... I hope you don't mind my including the .deb with this message. - Scott noxsession_1-1_all.deb ""
Re: Disabling x-session-manager
OK, maybe I'm just stupid here, but I don't see how I can get a window manager to start if a session manager is installed. There's nothing about that in Xsession or Xsession.options. If you're suggesting that I modify /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup, well, I disagree. I did that with Xmodmap and then a few months later had to waste 1/2 hour figuring out why X wouldn't start up. Those files change too much for them to be considered config files (unless you expect us to merge our changes with yours every four months). Ya know, I'm quite certain the answer does not lie in rgb.txt. :) On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:37:48PM -0800, Scott Bronson wrote: Hi, guys. I want to have an x-session-manager installed, but I still want to start up a window manager. Problem is, Branden's startup scripts don't allow this. Sure they do: $ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfree86-common.conffiles /etc/X11/Xresources/xfree86-common /etc/X11/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20xfree86-common_process-args /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xfree86-common_xresources /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start /etc/X11/Xsession.options /etc/X11/rgb.txt -- G. Branden Robinson| When I die I want to go peacefully Debian GNU/Linux | in my sleep like my ol' Grand [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dad...not screaming in terror like http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | his passengers. ""
Disabling x-session-manager
Hi, guys. I want to have an x-session-manager installed, but I still want to start up a window manager. Problem is, Branden's startup scripts don't allow this. So, I put together this .deb. It just adds another x-session-manager to update-alternatives: NONE. When you select none, then the session manager is skipped and the scripts immediately try to fire up the window manager. So, now you can have a session manager installed without being forced to run it. And, everything is controllable using the friendly update-alternatives system. There mus be other people out there who want this as well... Should I submit this? Or, should I send Branden a patched 50xfree86-common_determine-startup script instead? It's only 3K... I hope you don't mind my including the .deb with this message. - Scott noxsession_1-1_all.deb Description: application/archive Description: Binary data
Re: Disabling x-session-manager
OK, maybe I'm just stupid here, but I don't see how I can get a window manager to start if a session manager is installed. There's nothing about that in Xsession or Xsession.options. If you're suggesting that I modify /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup, well, I disagree. I did that with Xmodmap and then a few months later had to waste 1/2 hour figuring out why X wouldn't start up. Those files change too much for them to be considered config files (unless you expect us to merge our changes with yours every four months). Ya know, I'm quite certain the answer does not lie in rgb.txt. :) On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:37:48PM -0800, Scott Bronson wrote: Hi, guys. I want to have an x-session-manager installed, but I still want to start up a window manager. Problem is, Branden's startup scripts don't allow this. Sure they do: $ cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/xfree86-common.conffiles /etc/X11/Xresources/xfree86-common /etc/X11/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20xfree86-common_process-args /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xfree86-common_xresources /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start /etc/X11/Xsession.options /etc/X11/rgb.txt -- G. Branden Robinson| When I die I want to go peacefully Debian GNU/Linux | in my sleep like my ol' Grand [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dad...not screaming in terror like http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | his passengers. Description: Binary data
Setting dpms
I want to set DPMS every time an X session is started, regardless of user (i.e. no custom session files in home directories). This is for the lastest unstable X 4.0.2. I tried creating /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10xfree86-set_dpms: xset dpms 0 0 1200 xset +dpms But this doesn't work. It IS marked executable, but X still starts up with dpms disabled and set to blank after 10 seconds. If I then source 10xfree86-set_dpms, everything works as it should. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, - Scott
Re: Setting dpms
I want to set DPMS every time an X session is started... I tried creating /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10xfree86-set_dpms... I finally figured it out. The problem was that I'm using gdm/Gnome, which completely bypasses the regular X startup files. When I added the xset commands to the bottom of /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome (just before $gnomesession is exec'd), everything worked. Is there a political or technical reason why /etc/gdm/Sessions and /etc/X11/Xsession.d can't be merged? They are very similar. Thanks for the hint, Michel. It helped me figure out what was really going on. - Scott
Re: NeoMagic + 4.0.2 = freeze
It just happened to me when I was using a Mozilla window. All the XTerming in the world doesn't seem to trigger it at all. My machine is up for days, then I start using a GUI-intensive app and half an hour later I'm rebooting the machine. Arg. Is there an XFree list I should join? - Scott On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 11:21:11AM -0800, Scott Bronson wrote: I'm running 4.0.2 and unstable on my Thinkpad i1452, and I'm pretty unhappy. The major problem: Often, when I use a Netscape window, my computer hangs. It might be while I drag the window, it might be while I click on a text box, ... Sometimes it's after 5 minutes of use, sometimes after 5 hours. But it always seems to be Netscape-related. The hang is complete -- no network, ny SysRq, nada. In the 3 years I've used 3.3.6, X has been totally stable. Furthermore, my computer seems to be stable if I don't run Netscape. What can I do to pursue this? The laptop has a NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV graphics chip. Also, this is no big deal, but perhaps a clue: In GDM, when I iconify the window, the window disappears and the icon appears in the lower-right. But all this garbage appears to the left. A whole bunch of icon-width lines scattered across the screen. It looks like bad acceleration code -- somebody screwed up the rowbytes on the blit. Thanks for your attention! - Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NeoMagic + 4.0.2 = freeze
I'm running 4.0.2 and unstable on my Thinkpad i1452, and I'm pretty unhappy. The major problem: Often, when I use a Netscape window, my computer hangs. It might be while I drag the window, it might be while I click on a text box, ... Sometimes it's after 5 minutes of use, sometimes after 5 hours. But it always seems to be Netscape-related. The hang is complete -- no network, ny SysRq, nada. In the 3 years I've used 3.3.6, X has been totally stable. Furthermore, my computer seems to be stable if I don't run Netscape. What can I do to pursue this? The laptop has a NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV graphics chip. Also, this is no big deal, but perhaps a clue: In GDM, when I iconify the window, the window disappears and the icon appears in the lower-right. But all this garbage appears to the left. A whole bunch of icon-width lines scattered across the screen. It looks like bad acceleration code -- somebody screwed up the rowbytes on the blit. Thanks for your attention! - Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NeoMagic + 4.0.2 = freeze
I'm running 4.0.2 and unstable on my Thinkpad i1452, and I'm pretty unhappy. The major problem: Often, when I use a Netscape window, my computer hangs. It might be while I drag the window, it might be while I click on a text box, ... Sometimes it's after 5 minutes of use, sometimes after 5 hours. But it always seems to be Netscape-related. The hang is complete -- no network, ny SysRq, nada. In the 3 years I've used 3.3.6, X has been totally stable. Furthermore, my computer seems to be stable if I don't run Netscape. What can I do to pursue this? The laptop has a NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV graphics chip. Also, this is no big deal, but perhaps a clue: In GDM, when I iconify the window, the window disappears and the icon appears in the lower-right. But all this garbage appears to the left. A whole bunch of icon-width lines scattered across the screen. It looks like bad acceleration code -- somebody screwed up the rowbytes on the blit. Thanks for your attention! - Scott
Re: Woody upgrade = no startx
apt-get install xbase-clients Hello, Yesterday I performed an apt-get -f dist-upgrade on my Woody box. Everything seemed to be going well. This morning, I closed out my X session and when I attempted to restart X, I got the following error: bash: startx: command not found Sure enough, it is gone. Has anybody else had this problem, and if so, any ideas on how I can get X running again? Thanks, Bryan Walton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xawtv on Xfree 4
I just got xawtv working last night with the latest Woody debs (latest XFree4, latest xawtv, etc). It worked right out of the box. - Scott Jean-Michel Kelbert writes: I have branden deb for Xfree 4 v17 but it didn't work with xawtv. I have a pb XtMakeGeometry... I d'like to know it it work with current version that is to say v30? I do not use Xawtv myself, but I do run other Xaw applications and the problem has been fixed. -- There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very probably wrong. -- BSD fortune(6) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xawtv on Xfree 4
I just got xawtv working last night with the latest Woody debs (latest XFree4, latest xawtv, etc). It worked right out of the box. - Scott Jean-Michel Kelbert writes: I have branden deb for Xfree 4 v17 but it didn't work with xawtv. I have a pb XtMakeGeometry... I d'like to know it it work with current version that is to say v30? I do not use Xawtv myself, but I do run other Xaw applications and the problem has been fixed. -- There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very probably wrong. -- BSD fortune(6) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [branden@deadbeast.net: [bequw@stanford.edu: future of xlibs question]]
Brian, please do not bother Branden directly, he gets too much of that already. BTW, what happened to "I obey."? Why would anyone read that message? It's a full page of all-caps shouting. It looks just like a EULA, and who reads those? Something like this would probably work better... - I recognize that these are development packages, and will MOST LIKELY have major problems. - If I encounter problems, I will email [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT Branden. Type "I agree." if you agree, or control-D if you don't: [GLU] is currently the only C++ file in the whole distribution, and they are trying to find some nice way for it to be handled in their current build system for all their platforms. I don't envy them their work. Pardon my ignorance, but can't they just re-write it in C? It seems a shame to introduce a dependency on C++ in something that is 99.9% C. - Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [branden@deadbeast.net: [bequw@stanford.edu: future of xlibs question]]
Brian, please do not bother Branden directly, he gets too much of that already. BTW, what happened to I obey.? Why would anyone read that message? It's a full page of all-caps shouting. It looks just like a EULA, and who reads those? Something like this would probably work better... - I recognize that these are development packages, and will MOST LIKELY have major problems. - If I encounter problems, I will email debian-x@lists.debian.org, NOT Branden. Type I agree. if you agree, or control-D if you don't: [GLU] is currently the only C++ file in the whole distribution, and they are trying to find some nice way for it to be handled in their current build system for all their platforms. I don't envy them their work. Pardon my ignorance, but can't they just re-write it in C? It seems a shame to introduce a dependency on C++ in something that is 99.9% C. - Scott
Matrox driver devlopment
I found the XFree 4.x mga driver sources on www.matrox.com. I glanced over them and I think I see some easy 2D wins I could get in there and hack on them a bit, but I'm worried about duplicating effort. Can anyone tell me where Matrox driver development is going on? I didn't find anything on xfree.org. - Scott
