Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 11:49:39AM +0100, Jens Nachtigall wrote: > I totally agree with this point. I, for instance, did not even now that > the 10X in pc10X stands for the number of keys up to now. And how can I > now, if the debconf description is such a bad help. The description by > debconf is definetely too short: > > QUOTE > The "pc104" keyboard is like the pc101 model, with additional keys. > These keys are usually engraved with a "logo" symbol (there is > typically a pair of these, between each set of control and alt keys), > and a "menu" key. > . > The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 > keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. > /QUOTE > > If the debconf description was more helpful, this problem had not > happened, since users would have been aware of the differences between > the keyboards. Giving an example would probably be a good idea: > "The pc104 keyboard does, for instance, not have the < and > key" > > See also this bug report: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=233699 You may be interested to learn of a change that was made to the xfree86 packages almost a month ago: r1088 | branden | 2004-02-20 18:37:07 -0500 (Fri, 20 Feb 2004) | 10 lines Changed paths: M /trunk/debian/NEWS M /trunk/debian/changelog M /trunk/debian/po/ca.po M /trunk/debian/po/cs.po M /trunk/debian/po/da.po M /trunk/debian/po/de.po M /trunk/debian/po/el.po M /trunk/debian/po/es.po M /trunk/debian/po/fr.po M /trunk/debian/po/gl.po M /trunk/debian/po/it.po M /trunk/debian/po/ja.po M /trunk/debian/po/nl.po M /trunk/debian/po/pl.po M /trunk/debian/po/pt_BR.po M /trunk/debian/po/ru.po M /trunk/debian/po/sv.po M /trunk/debian/po/templates.pot M /trunk/debian/xserver-xfree86.templates Update xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model template description to include discussion of the distinction between 101/104-key PC keyboards, and their 102/105-key counterparts, and warn of the consequences if 102/105-key keyboards are misconfigured as 101/104-key models. Re-run debconf-updatepo. Add news entry with a similar warning. Index: NEWS === --- NEWS(revision 1087) +++ NEWS(revision 1088) @@ -12,6 +12,15 @@ to this version of the xutils package. If you do not do so, your changes to rstartd.real will be lost. + * Users of 102- or 105-key PC keyboards (as well as miniature and laptop +keyboards compatible with these models) should ensure that their keyboard +is configured accordingly in the XF86Config-4 file, using the "pc102" or +"pc105" XkbModel instead of "pc101" or "pc104", respectively. If your +keyboard has a "< >" key, you likely have a 102- or 105-key model. The +"< >" may not work if you do not configure your keyboard model correctly. +You can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to change this +configuration parameter, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 directly. + -- Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:46:02 -0500 xfree86 (4.2.1-11) unstable; urgency=medium Index: xserver-xfree86.templates === --- xserver-xfree86.templates (revision 1087) +++ xserver-xfree86.templates (revision 1088) @@ -224,7 +224,10 @@ these, between each set of control and alt keys), and a "menu" key. . The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 keyboards, - respectively, often found in Europe. + respectively, often found in Europe. If your keyboard has a "< >" key (a + single key engraved with both the less-than and greater-than symbols), you + likely have a "pc102" or "pc105" model; if you choose "pc101" or "pc104" + instead, your "< >" key might not work. . The "macintosh" model is for Macintosh keyboards where the kernel and console tools use the new input layer which uses Linux keycodes; "macintosh_old" is -- G. Branden Robinson|It is the responsibility of Debian GNU/Linux |intellectuals to tell the truth and [EMAIL PROTECTED] |expose lies. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Noam Chomsky signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > I live in Germany. It might be a mistery to you, but that is not > > surprising. > > [...] > > Huh? I had no offense in mind, Hi Denis, Sorry, I definitely did not take your response as an offence. Sorry, if mine sounded a bit harsh :-) Kind regards from a big Debian fan. - -- Emailverschlüsselung (http://www.gnupg.org): GPG-Schlüssel: http://informatik.hu-berlin.de/~nachtiga/gpg.asc Fingerabdruck: 196F CA54 F3D2 C325 9A63 8B10 0332 4E83 0EB7 FB8A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVNhAAzJOgw63+4oRAnZSAJ9amP+8EMbjkFMeJZZUQ5c+g0RgzACfcN7G DsQaQ3SIW9qdgI5re1uT6CE= =X7lj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 08:18:09PM +0100, Jens Nachtigall wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > QUOTE > > > The "pc104" keyboard is like the pc101 model, with additional keys. > > > These keys are usually engraved with a "logo" symbol (there is > > > typically a pair of these, between each set of control and alt > > > keys), and a "menu" key. > > > . > > > The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 > > > keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. > > > /QUOTE > > > > I do not know if you live in Europe or not, but read some French > > people having similar complaints. Given the quotation above, why > > they did not select pc102 or pc105 is a mistery to me. > > I live in Germany. It might be a mistery to you, but that is not > surprising. [...] Huh? I had no offense in mind, I simply do not understand why European people do not select keyboards "often found in Europe", and thus am wondering whether improving wording will make them select pc102/pc105, Denis
Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > QUOTE > > The "pc104" keyboard is like the pc101 model, with additional keys. > > These keys are usually engraved with a "logo" symbol (there is > > typically a pair of these, between each set of control and alt > > keys), and a "menu" key. > > . > > The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 > > keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. > > /QUOTE > > I do not know if you live in Europe or not, but read some French > people having similar complaints. Given the quotation above, why > they did not select pc102 or pc105 is a mistery to me. I live in Germany. It might be a mistery to you, but that is not surprising. You are a Debian maintainer/developer, so you know almost every detail of your software. I am just a user and don't spend much time on the keyboard models used by Xfree86. Jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVK/xAzJOgw63+4oRAhAFAJ49+upe0HtFTf7P5tKRtY8P3VZqoQCfQ3v6 vfp/YWc8P41Utvtmk3TaCJI= =ndFV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 11:49:39AM +0100, Jens Nachtigall wrote: [...] > I totally agree with this point. I, for instance, did not even now that > the 10X in pc10X stands for the number of keys up to now. And how can I > now, if the debconf description is such a bad help. The description by > debconf is definetely too short: > > QUOTE > The "pc104" keyboard is like the pc101 model, with additional keys. > These keys are usually engraved with a "logo" symbol (there is > typically a pair of these, between each set of control and alt keys), > and a "menu" key. > . > The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 > keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. > /QUOTE I do not know if you live in Europe or not, but read some French people having similar complaints. Given the quotation above, why they did not select pc102 or pc105 is a mistery to me. FYI this description has been enhanced, unstable now displays: The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. If your keyboard has a "< >" key (a single key engraved with both the less-than and greater-than symbols), you likely have a "pc102" or "pc105" model; if you choose "pc101" or "pc104" instead, your "< >" key might not work. As I wrote in a separate thread, I believe that default value should now be pc105, but that's another story. Denis
Bug#234335: pc10X keyboard layouts -- please change the debconf description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> 4.3.0-3 will announce this change in the NEWS file, and the debconf >> template description for this question has been expanded to spell out >> exactly what will go wrong if you pick "pc101" or "pc104" for your >> keyboard model when you really need "pc102" or "pc105". > Just a suggestion, not every body relates the identifier pc10X to > > > given kind of keyboard and counting the keys on your keyboard is a > > tricky and error prone task. Indeed mine has 109 keys (Suposed extra: > Fn,WakeUp,Sleep and Power). So, maybe, a guideline about what a pc10X > is would be useful, maybe > in the News, maybe on the debconfigurator. > I mean something like: > - - No special keys pc101 > - - 11 keys between shift-keys -> pc102 > - - The same as above but with Menu key and two system keys > (Win/Lin/Mac... > keys) next to the spacebar -> pc104 or pc105 > Well, I don't know exactly which is the correct criteria but you get > the idea. I totally agree with this point. I, for instance, did not even now that the 10X in pc10X stands for the number of keys up to now. And how can I now, if the debconf description is such a bad help. The description by debconf is definetely too short: QUOTE The "pc104" keyboard is like the pc101 model, with additional keys. These keys are usually engraved with a "logo" symbol (there is typically a pair of these, between each set of control and alt keys), and a "menu" key. . The "pc102" and "pc105" models are versions of the pc101 and pc104 keyboards, respectively, often found in Europe. /QUOTE If the debconf description was more helpful, this problem had not happened, since users would have been aware of the differences between the keyboards. Giving an example would probably be a good idea: "The pc104 keyboard does, for instance, not have the < and > key" See also this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=233699 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAUudDAzJOgw63+4oRAodAAJ9aDPANMSJCtLtLnvUi7tZR8MiZrwCfeJZK 2CHO3r0S4dpTbxqPKDXjUWI= =2nGq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
