Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Friday 21 April 2006 10:13, Michel Dänzer wrote: Hmm indeed, it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_1% 3a7.0.0-4_powerpc.deb, so how come it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.list here? *shrug* This issue seems to be remedied with the update from Tue, 25 Apr 2006 to xbase-clients 1:7.0.0-5. The xserverrc file now re-exists in /etc/X11/xinit. Thank you for your attention. ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 16:52 -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: On Thursday 20 April 2006 16:27, you wrote: If I remember correctly (I hope I do, but I'm not quite sure), the file /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, which startx uses, contained the following command in woody and sarge: exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp Perhaps this has changed in Xorg 7.x? Good eye! Looks like it has. That file doesn't exist on the machine in question, but it still exists on my machine which I haven't yet updated (and does indeed include the switch mentioned). Also, according to a search at packages.debian.org http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=xserverrcsearchmode=searchfilescase=insensitiveversion=unstablearch=i386 the file xserverrc doesn't exist in any packages in Sid. [EMAIL PROTECTED]|11:05:36 dpkg -S /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc xbase-clients: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc [EMAIL PROTECTED]|11:06:54 apt-cache policy xbase-clients xbase-clients: Installed: 1:7.0.0-4 Candidate: 1:7.0.0-4 Version table: *** 1:7.0.0-4 0 500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org sid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status What does grep xserverrc /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.* say on your system? (XSF: It's not listed as a conffile here, is that intentional?) -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Friday 21 April 2006 06:06, Michel Dänzer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]|11:05:36 dpkg -S /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc xbase-clients: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc dpkg: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc not found. [EMAIL PROTECTED]|11:06:54 apt-cache policy xbase-clients xbase-clients: Installed: 1:7.0.0-4 Candidate: 1:7.0.0-4 Version table: *** 1:7.0.0-4 0 500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org sid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy xbase-clients xbase-clients: Installed: 1:7.0.0-4 Candidate: 1:7.0.0-4 Version table: *** 1:7.0.0-4 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status What does grep xserverrc /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.* say on your system? (XSF: It's not listed as a conffile here, is that intentional?) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep xserverrc /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.* [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ FYI, when the new Xorg packages came in and I had no X at all, I purged all the X related packages in an attempt to get X working again - a 'fresh start', if you will. I would imagine that's why I have no xserverrc, which would have been left over from the previous versions, since it's no longer included in xbase-clients. I have no idea if the non-inclusion is intentional or not. ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 09:31 -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: FYI, when the new Xorg packages came in and I had no X at all, I purged all the X related packages in an attempt to get X working again - a 'fresh start', if you will. I would imagine that's why I have no xserverrc, which would have been left over from the previous versions, since it's no longer included in xbase-clients. Hmm indeed, it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_1% 3a7.0.0-4_powerpc.deb, so how come it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.list here? *shrug* -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm indeed, it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_1% 3a7.0.0-4_powerpc.deb, so how come it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.list here? *shrug* Because it used to be a conffile, and nothing automatically cleans up old conffiles. -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at alum.mit.edu, ucko at debian.org) Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOT a valid e-mail address) for more info.
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Friday 21 April 2006 10:13, Michel Dänzer wrote: Hmm indeed, it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_1% 3a7.0.0-4_powerpc.deb, so how come it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xbase-clients.list here? *shrug* You're the guy with the @debian.org email address... you tell me ;o) ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 14:41 -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 10:07, you wrote: Again, this must have been either due to the driver obtaining additional information, e.g. via EDID, I have no idea how to figure that out. If you can tell me, I'd be glad to provide any additional information that I can. Basically, you'd have to compare config and log files from before and after. Weird, the command line switch should always override anything else. Have you confirmed that the switch is actually passed to the X server, e.g. using ps? ps info from the laptop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps ax |grep x 1002 tty1 S+ 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx -dpi 100 1018 tty1 S+ 0:00 xinit xterm -dpi 100 -- -auth /home/rbochan/.serverauth.1002 1076 ?S 0:00 xfe Seems to show it properly, [...] No, this shows *startx* being passed -dpi 100, not the X server. Try startx -- -dpi 100 -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Thursday 20 April 2006 13:52, you wrote: Have you always started X with startx? If so, then most likely the -dpi 100 was in some config file that is gone or no longer honoured now. Yep, since I first installed the machine with a Woody base and dist-upgraded to Sid (mid-2003 or so), I've always used startx, and the behavior's been consistent up until the Xorg 7.x packages were introduced last week.That's why I reported this in the first place. ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Thursday 20 April 2006 04:18, you wrote: Basically, you'd have to compare config and log files from before and after. OK, the log files are long gone, but I do have the previous xorg.conf backed up. The only differences in the new config file that I'm seeing are 1) a lack of GLcore in the modules section, and 2) the new section pertaining to the Synaptics Touchpad which has been giving me fits as well(see bug #363363). No, this shows *startx* being passed -dpi 100, not the X server. Try startx -- -dpi 100 OK, now that I have the syntax correct, I can startx properly with 100 dpi. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps ax |grep x 5068 tty1 S+ 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx -- -dpi 100 5085 tty1 S+ 0:00 xinit /home/rbochan/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X -dpi 100 -auth /home/rbochan/.serverauth.5068 However, why am I having to add the dpi switch to the startx command now, after all this time (2+ years) running Sid on the machine without having to do so before? It has _always_ defaulted to 100 dpi previously, even when XFree86 was still in the rotation. ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
(I don't have anything to do with the Debian X packages, I am just a long-time Debian user who happens to follow the debian-x mailing list which receives these bug reports.) Rob Bochan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, why am I having to add the dpi switch to the startx command now, after all this time (2+ years) running Sid on the machine without having to do so before? It has _always_ defaulted to 100 dpi previously, even when XFree86 was still in the rotation. If I remember correctly (I hope I do, but I'm not quite sure), the file /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, which startx uses, contained the following command in woody and sarge: exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp Perhaps this has changed in Xorg 7.x? I remember previously having to remove the -dpi 100 manually, because I wanted to specify the actual resolution in the configuration file. I never understood why the Debian default setting was to override anything specified in the server configuration file, so if this default command-line argument was removed in Xorg 7, I'm personally quite happy with the change. However, perhaps it should be documented, e.g., in the NEWS file? (I don't know if it already is, I haven't looked at the 7.x packages yet.) Another possibility would be to ask for the resolution when the X packages are configured, and write this out to the auto-generated X server configuration file. I think the proper place to configure the resolution should be the server configuration file, since that contains all the other information about the monitor (such as the supported frequencies, if they are not autodetected), and since (I think) the server command-line arguments need to be specified in multiple files (at least previously, xserverrc applied only to startx and, for example, xdm had its own configuration file where the server command-line options could be specified - I don't know if this has changed recently). -- -=- Rjs -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi to 75 dpi
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:23 -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: Package: xserver-xorg Version: 1:7.0.14 Severity: normal The 7.x xorg transition has intruced using 75 dpi resolution, it was previously 100 dpi. I'm using KDE, and the fonts are quite small now, which is rather unpleasant on a 13.5 inch laptop screen (HP Omnibook 6000). X has always defaulted to 75 DPI, in the absence of additional configuration or information such as EDID. Please try to find out why the effective DPI has changed for you by comparing config and/or log files, etc. Also, is the difference actually in the DPI value as reported by xdpyinfo, or could it just be that the 75 DPI bitmap fonts now precede the 100 DPI ones in the font path? -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:26, you wrote: X has always defaulted to 75 DPI, in the absence of additional configuration or information such as EDID. Please try to find out why the effective DPI has changed for you by comparing config and/or log files, etc. This was not the case before these new packages, at least according to the KDE KInfocenter X-Server section. It always showed 100x100 dpi previously, now it shows 75x75 dpi. I haven't done the updates on my desktop machine, which clones my laptop install, and it still shows 100x100 dpi. Both machines are using startx instead of a login manager. Adding the -dpi switch to the startx command also has no effect. Also, is the difference actually in the DPI value as reported by xdpyinfo, or could it just be that the 75 DPI bitmap fonts now precede the 100 DPI ones in the font path? xdpyinfo output is attached. The 100 dpi fonts precede the 75 dpi fonts in the xorg.conf: Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Once again, my apologies about the original address typo, I didn't realize the typo'd message had even gone out. ...Rob name of display::0.0 version number:11.0 vendor string:The X.Org Foundation vendor release number:7000 X.Org version: 7.0.0 maximum request size: 16777212 bytes motion buffer size: 256 bitmap unit, bit order, padding:32, LSBFirst, 32 image byte order:LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats:7 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 depth 15, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32 depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32 depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32 depth 32, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32 keycode range:minimum 8, maximum 255 focus: window 0x1c00273, revert to PointerRoot number of extensions:29 BIG-REQUESTS DAMAGE DOUBLE-BUFFER DPMS Extended-Visual-Information GLX MIT-SCREEN-SAVER MIT-SHM MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD RANDR RENDER SECURITY SGI-GLX SHAPE SYNC TOG-CUP X-Resource XC-APPGROUP XC-MISC XFIXES XFree86-Bigfont XFree86-DGA XFree86-DRI XFree86-Misc XFree86-VidModeExtension XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST XVideo default screen number:0 number of screens:1 screen #0: dimensions:1024x768 pixels (347x260 millimeters) resolution:75x75 dots per inch depths (7):16, 1, 4, 8, 15, 24, 32 root window id:0x44 depth of root window:16 planes number of colormaps:minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap:0x20 default number of colormap cells:64 preallocated pixels:black 0, white 65535 options:backing-store NO, save-unders NO largest cursor:64x64 current input event mask:0xfa4035 KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask KeymapStateMask StructureNotifyMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask FocusChangeMask PropertyChangeMask ColormapChangeMask number of visuals:8 default visual id: 0x23 visual: visual id:0x23 class:TrueColor depth:16 planes available colormap entries:64 per subfield red, green, blue masks:0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f significant bits in color specification:8 bits visual: visual id:0x24 class:TrueColor depth:16 planes available colormap entries:64 per subfield red, green, blue masks:0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f significant bits in color specification:8 bits visual: visual id:0x25 class:TrueColor depth:16 planes available colormap entries:64 per subfield red, green, blue masks:0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f significant bits in color specification:8 bits visual: visual id:0x26 class:TrueColor depth:16 planes available colormap entries:64 per subfield red, green, blue masks:0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f significant bits in color specification:8 bits visual: visual id:0x27 class:DirectColor depth:16 planes available colormap entries:64 per subfield red, green, blue masks:0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f significant bits in color specification:8 bits visual: visual id:0x28 class:DirectColor depth:16 planes available
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 09:09 -0400, Rob Bochan wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:26, you wrote: X has always defaulted to 75 DPI, in the absence of additional configuration or information such as EDID. Please try to find out why the effective DPI has changed for you by comparing config and/or log files, etc. This was not the case before these new packages, at least according to the KDE KInfocenter X-Server section. It always showed 100x100 dpi previously, now it shows 75x75 dpi. Again, this must have been either due to the driver obtaining additional information, e.g. via EDID, or due to configuration, either via the DisplaySize directive in the xorg.conf Monitor section or via the -dpi command line switch. I haven't done the updates on my desktop machine, which clones my laptop install, and it still shows 100x100 dpi. Both machines are using startx instead of a login manager. Adding the -dpi switch to the startx command also has no effect. Weird, the command line switch should always override anything else. Have you confirmed that the switch is actually passed to the X server, e.g. using ps? -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi, to 75 dpi
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 10:07, you wrote: Again, this must have been either due to the driver obtaining additional information, e.g. via EDID, I have no idea how to figure that out. If you can tell me, I'd be glad to provide any additional information that I can. or due to configuration, either via the DisplaySize directive in the xorg.conf Monitor section or via the -dpi command line switch. I don't see that directive in my xorg.conf (using the advanced options for monitor setup via dpkg-reconfigure): Section Monitor Identifier Omnibook LCD Option DPMS HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 50-75 EndSection Weird, the command line switch should always override anything else. Have you confirmed that the switch is actually passed to the X server, e.g. using ps? ps info from the laptop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps ax |grep x 1002 tty1 S+ 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx -dpi 100 1018 tty1 S+ 0:00 xinit xterm -dpi 100 -- -auth /home/rbochan/.serverauth.1002 1076 ?S 0:00 xfe Seems to show it properly, but the fonts are still small, and KInfocenter still shows 75x75 dpi. ...Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#363359: xserver-xorg: Resolution has changed from 100 dpi to 75 dpi
Package: xserver-xorg Version: 1:7.0.14 Severity: normal The 7.x xorg transition has intruced using 75 dpi resolution, it was previously 100 dpi. I'm using KDE, and the fonts are quite small now, which is rather unpleasant on a 13.5 inch laptop screen (HP Omnibook 6000). -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.4.25-lap3 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) Versions of packages xserver-xorg depends on: ii debconf 1.4.72 Debian configuration management sy ii x11-common 1:7.0.14X Window System (X.Org) infrastruc ii xbase-clients1:7.0.0-4 miscellaneous X clients ii xkb-data 0.8-5 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configu ii xserver-xorg-core1:1.0.2-5 X.Org X server -- core server ii xserver-xorg-input-all 1:7.0.14the X.Org X server -- input driver ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev [xs 1:1.0.0.5-2 X.Org X server -- evdev input driv ii xserver-xorg-input-kbd [xser 1:1.0.1.3-2 X.Org X server -- keyboard input d ii xserver-xorg-input-mouse [xs 1:1.0.4-2 X.Org X server -- mouse input driv ii xserver-xorg-video-ati [xser 1:6.5.7.3-3 X.Org X server -- ATI display driv Versions of packages xserver-xorg recommends: ii discover1 1.7.18hardware identification system ii laptop-detect 0.12.1attempt to detect a laptop ii mdetect0.5.2.1 mouse device autodetection tool ii xresprobe 0.4.23debian1 X Resolution Probe -- debconf information: xserver-xorg/multiple_possible_x-drivers: * xserver-xorg/config/monitor/use_sync_ranges: true * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/mouse/port: /dev/input/mice xserver-xorg/config/doublequote_in_string_error: xserver-xorg/config/monitor/screen-size: 17 inches (430 mm) * shared/default-x-server: xserver-xorg * xserver-xorg/autodetect_monitor: false * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/mouse/protocol: ImPS/2 shared/no_known_x-server: * xserver-xorg/config/display/default_depth: 16 * xserver-xorg/config/display/modes: 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480 xserver-xorg/config/device/bus_id_error: xserver-xorg/config/monitor/vert-refresh: 50-75 * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/options: * xserver-xorg/autodetect_keyboard: false * xserver-xorg/config/device/use_fbdev: false * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/variant: xserver-xorg/config/nonnumeric_string_error: * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout: us * xserver-xorg/config/modules: bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, type1, vbe * xserver-xorg/config/monitor/identifier: Omnibook LCD * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/mouse/emulate3buttons: true xserver-xorg/autodetect_mouse: true xserver-xorg/config/monitor/horiz-sync: 30-60 * xserver-xorg/config/device/video_ram: 8192 xserver-xorg/config/monitor/range_input_error: * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model: pc104 * xserver-xorg/config/device/driver: ati * xserver-xorg/config/device/identifier: ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x * xserver-xorg/config/monitor/selection-method: Medium xserver-xorg/config/null_string_error: shared/multiple_possible_x-servers: * xserver-xorg/config/device/bus_id: PCI:1:0:0 * xserver-xorg/config/write_files_section: true * xserver-xorg/autodetect_video_card: true * xserver-xorg/config/monitor/mode-list: 1024x768 @ 75Hz * xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/rules: xorg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]