Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
On 8 December 2010 14:18, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 02 Dec 2010 12:26:11 +0800, a écrit : $ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd layouts = [jp jp106] options = [terminate terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp grp:alt_space_toggle,grp grp:menu_toggle,grp grp:sclk_toggle] model = toshiba_s3000 Note jp106 string in gconftool-2. Indeed it looks suspicious. I do not know where it comes from (do I still have an old config file lying around?) and whether it is harmless. Well, in the gconf case, the config file is the gconf database, more precisely ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard. You can use the gconftool-2 command to change it. I used the gconf-editor to erase jp106 substring from layouts, and this has cured the popup error messages. This also disabled Russian keyboard, though. gconftool-2 showed layouts = [jp], as expected. Then I added the keyboard I need via Gnome interface, and got it working. gconftool-2 shows layouts = [jp, ru phonetic] as it was needed. I suppose this is resolved is some way, at least for me. (probably the squeeze installer/updater needs to be more aggressive in cleaning up unknown options...) Thank you all for your time, Dmitrii. PS. I wish the experience of fixing this did not resemble editing Windows registry that much :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinjeh1eyjtd0t7-y6jkfpdff2+tns1g8jq8q...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Dima Pasechnik, le Wed 08 Dec 2010 19:17:55 +0800, a écrit : Then I added the keyboard I need via Gnome interface, and got it working. gconftool-2 shows layouts = [jp, ru phonetic] as it was needed. I suppose this is resolved is some way, at least for me. Yes. (probably the squeeze installer/updater needs to be more aggressive in cleaning up unknown options...) Well, that'd be gnome's matter actually. PS. I wish the experience of fixing this did not resemble editing Windows registry that much :-) Well, it definitely looks like editing Windows registry to me. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101208113045.gm5...@const
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 02 Dec 2010 12:26:11 +0800, a écrit : $ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd layouts = [jpjp106] options = [terminate terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp grp:alt_space_toggle,grp grp:menu_toggle,grp grp:sclk_toggle] model = toshiba_s3000 Note jp106 string in gconftool-2. Indeed it looks suspicious. I do not know where it comes from (do I still have an old config file lying around?) and whether it is harmless. Well, in the gconf case, the config file is the gconf database, more precisely ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard. You can use the gconftool-2 command to change it. The model string content there is totally random, of course, and has nothing to do with the real keyboard. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101208061815.ga7...@const
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 02 Dec 2010 12:26:11 +0800, a écrit : I still get an occasional gnome popup indicating an xkb error. What is the error? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101202215025.gl4...@const.famille.thibault.fr
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
On 3 December 2010 05:50, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 02 Dec 2010 12:26:11 +0800, a écrit : I still get an occasional gnome popup indicating an xkb error. What is the error? Error activating XKB configuration. It can happen under various circumstances. [...] Xserver version data The X.Org Foundation Version 10707000 If you report this as a bug, please include: - The result of ... [...] I already followed the latter part of the popup message in my previous email. I certainly get this popup on startup, in the centre of the otherwise empty screen, and then after each resume (from RAM) from sleep. (Perhaps in other cases too, but I am not sure). The popup after resume is persistent, i.e. clicking OK in the popup immediately pops up the same window at the same place. There seems to be nothing of it reflected in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg, console terminal from which X was started, or anywhere esle I can think of... It does not affect the actual keyboard functioning. Dmitrii -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikzmqkmqw429x7orsbmwoybc-5aeu22d-yev...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
On 29 November 2010 07:36, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: [...] yes. In my /etc/X11/xorg.conf I used to have, in the keyboard section, Option XkbLayout jp,ru(phonetic) Option XkbVariant jp106 and it worked. Now I can select Russia Phonetic keyboard in Gnome Keyboard Preferences, but then I am stuck with Cyrillic characters only - the switching does not work. The only way out is to remove this keyboard choice and restart X. Did you try to put the same kind of parameter as xorg.conf into /etc/default/keyboard? It should be working exactly the same as xorg.conf (except that it'll additionally work on the linux console too!) Just tried it, and yes, it does fix the problem! Thank you for your time. I still get an occasional gnome popup indicating an xkb error. It asks to provide the following outputs: $ xprop -root | grep XKB _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = evdev, acpi, jp,ru, , grp:alt_shift_toggle _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = evdev, acpi, jp,ru(phonetic), , grp:alt_shift_toggle $ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd layouts = [jp jp106] options = [terminate terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp grp:alt_space_toggle,grp grp:menu_toggle,grp grp:sclk_toggle] model = toshiba_s3000 Note jp106 string in gconftool-2. I do not know where it comes from (do I still have an old config file lying around?) and whether it is harmless. The model string content there is totally random, of course, and has nothing to do with the real keyboard. [...] Best, Dmitrii -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimriwer55hojo59dikhew2rc2_miwbcvz1no...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Dima Pasechnik, le Fri 26 Nov 2010 18:59:15 +0800, a écrit : On 25 November 2010 18:00, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 25 Nov 2010 12:35:45 +0800, a écrit : Installing the upgrades mentioned here did not enable any options for choosing the phonetic layout for Russian on the Japanese keyboard. You mean typing Russian on a Japanese keyboard? I didn't know about such thing. Why option were you using to achieve that? I guess you are talking about X keyboard layout, right? yes. In my /etc/X11/xorg.conf I used to have, in the keyboard section, Option XkbLayout jp,ru(phonetic) Option XkbVariant jp106 and it worked. Now I can select Russia Phonetic keyboard in Gnome Keyboard Preferences, but then I am stuck with Cyrillic characters only - the switching does not work. The only way out is to remove this keyboard choice and restart X. Did you try to put the same kind of parameter as xorg.conf into /etc/default/keyboard? It should be working exactly the same as xorg.conf (except that it'll additionally work on the linux console too!) And it looks like a specific Japanese keyboard problem. On a machine with a standard US keyboard I run the same Debian version, and am able to select and use Russia Phonetic layout. Well, the thing is that supported layouts (i.e. that you can choose in the debconf dialog box) only include one keymap, or us + non-latin keymap. For others, you have to configure it by hand. For the record, it's a Panasonic CF-R5 laptop. (you probably also know that there seems to be no way to *select* an appropriate keyboard) An appropriate keyboard for what? The particular keyboard of that laptop or typing russian on a japanese keyboard? (The latter would just be a consequence of the above). In general, never assume we know anything about localization cases, as most of us don't are not from that localization, so although we usually have an idea, we usually don't know all the details. I meant an appropriate keyboard model for the laptop I am using. (in fact, there seem to be no jp106 keyboard layouts available in Gnome Keyboard Preferences.) The jp106 model was dropped indeed, because its additional keys were added to the base model. When I try printing the keyboard, from Gnome Keyboard Preferences, the output does not show it right (many extra keys are not shown). That's the geometry part of the xkb configuration, not the model part (though they are related, yes). I think you should talk with upstream about it (e.g. report the bug on http://bugs.freedesktop.org/) Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101128233614.gu10...@const.famille.thibault.fr
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
On 25 November 2010 18:00, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 25 Nov 2010 12:35:45 +0800, a écrit : Installing the upgrades mentioned here did not enable any options for choosing the phonetic layout for Russian on the Japanese keyboard. You mean typing Russian on a Japanese keyboard? I didn't know about such thing. Why option were you using to achieve that? I guess you are talking about X keyboard layout, right? yes. In my /etc/X11/xorg.conf I used to have, in the keyboard section, Option XkbLayout jp,ru(phonetic) Option XkbVariant jp106 and it worked. Now I can select Russia Phonetic keyboard in Gnome Keyboard Preferences, but then I am stuck with Cyrillic characters only - the switching does not work. The only way out is to remove this keyboard choice and restart X. And it looks like a specific Japanese keyboard problem. On a machine with a standard US keyboard I run the same Debian version, and am able to select and use Russia Phonetic layout. For the record, it's a Panasonic CF-R5 laptop. (you probably also know that there seems to be no way to *select* an appropriate keyboard) An appropriate keyboard for what? The particular keyboard of that laptop or typing russian on a japanese keyboard? (The latter would just be a consequence of the above). In general, never assume we know anything about localization cases, as most of us don't are not from that localization, so although we usually have an idea, we usually don't know all the details. I meant an appropriate keyboard model for the laptop I am using. (in fact, there seem to be no jp106 keyboard layouts available in Gnome Keyboard Preferences.) When I try printing the keyboard, from Gnome Keyboard Preferences, the output does not show it right (many extra keys are not shown). It could be due to non-availability of an appropriate keyboard model. No wonder it does not really work right.. Samuel -- To unsubscribe, send mail to 600490-unsubscr...@bugs.debian.org. -- Dmitrii Pasechnik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin3_ks5im7zsqqe7pkx9jdgavhw-wgsf3jnm...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Dima Pasechnik, le Thu 25 Nov 2010 12:35:45 +0800, a écrit : Installing the upgrades mentioned here did not enable any options for choosing the phonetic layout for Russian on the Japanese keyboard. You mean typing Russian on a Japanese keyboard? I didn't know about such thing. Why option were you using to achieve that? I guess you are talking about X keyboard layout, right? For the record, it's a Panasonic CF-R5 laptop. (you probably also know that there seems to be no way to *select* an appropriate keyboard) An appropriate keyboard for what? The particular keyboard of that laptop or typing russian on a japanese keyboard? (The latter would just be a consequence of the above). In general, never assume we know anything about localization cases, as most of us don't are not from that localization, so although we usually have an idea, we usually don't know all the details. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101125100026.gb5...@const.bordeaux.inria.fr
Bug#600490: Russian phonetic layout on a jp keyboard?
Installing the upgrades mentioned here did not enable any options for choosing the phonetic layout for Russian on the Japanese keyboard. They were gone since I did an upgrade to squeeze. For the record, it's a Panasonic CF-R5 laptop. (you probably also know that there seems to be no way to *select* an appropriate keyboard) Thanks, Dmitrii http://www.ntu.edu.sg/home/dima/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinugeyoevlijce-o=_dtvjjs7otkbs_5mzxa...@mail.gmail.com
