Bug#720116: xinit: startx should just start a plain X, not the whole desktop-environment

2013-08-18 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Package: xinit
Version: 1.3.2-1
Severity: wishlist


Hi.

IIRC, startx always used to do just that, start X.
But nowadays, when I startx I get all kinds of further stuff, i.e.
GNOME tries to fully start up (WTF?).

This behaviour is IMHO quite problematic, since in case of disaster
recovery (see e.g. bug #720115) one cannot even start a plain X
anymore, without fiddling around with the X binary itself.


Not sure whether this is actually xinit's fault, or whether some other
package (gnome-whatever) just overrides any xsession or xinit config
file to cause this behaviour... I just didn't now where to start
searching ;)


Thanks,
Chris.


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Bug#720116: xinit: startx should just start a plain X, not the whole desktop-environment

2013-08-18 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 22:41 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 So either specify a client [1] or use a different session manager, e.g.
 by using: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
Well that only gives e.g. gnome in my case.

Can't you simply offer a dummy x-session-manager that has highest
priority and just starts the traditional xterm?

Is there any reasons for the desktop-environments that they need to be
started by startx by default as well? Most people will run them by
gdm/kdm/etc.



  1. http://x.debian.net/faq/general.html
Yeah... if X doesn't work I couldn't access that anymore that easily ;)


Cheers,
Chris.


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Bug#720116: xinit: startx should just start a plain X, not the whole desktop-environment

2013-08-18 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net (2013-08-18):
 On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 22:41 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
  So either specify a client [1] or use a different session manager, e.g.
  by using: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
 Well that only gives e.g. gnome in my case.
 
 Can't you simply offer a dummy x-session-manager that has highest
 priority and just starts the traditional xterm?

If you want xterm, specify it as the client you want… there's no need
for a specific *session* just for that.

 Is there any reasons for the desktop-environments that they need to be
 started by startx by default as well? Most people will run them by
 gdm/kdm/etc.
 
   1. http://x.debian.net/faq/general.html
 Yeah... if X doesn't work I couldn't access that anymore that easily ;)

Wrong, that's also available in: /usr/share/doc/xorg/faq/general.*

KiBi.


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