Bug#248940: Processed: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag

[Branden Robinson]

[Mr. Xu not mailed because his MX incorrectly -- but apparently not
accidently -- flags all messages from me as unsolicited commercial email.]

On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 08:05:54AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> BTW, that mail was stuck on your machine until today.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/05/msg9.html

% mx packages.debian.org
packages.debian.org MX  0 gluck.debian.org

If you're only going to be semi-retired, you might want to remain
subscribed to debian-devel-announce so that things like this are not a
surprise to you.

> I'm no longer the maintainer of the kernel package,

Then kindly stop playing BTS gatekeeper for it.

> so I suggest that you appeal to the new maintainers directly at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If they're happy with the bug report,
> then I certainly will not stand in the way of you reassigning it.

Normal procedure is for the bug to be reassigned, and if there is a
problem, for *discussion* to follow, not an immediate snotty
reassignment.

Either you are an equal partner of the Debian kernel maintenance team,
or you are not.  If that team has delegated bug-assignment veto power to
you, then there is really nothing to discuss.  If they have not, it is
inappropriate for you to handle the bug as you have.

The submitter has already gone upstream to the Linux kernel folks with
the problem, which is probably where it is best handled anyway.

It's perfectly fine for the bug to remain assigned where it is until its
annotation becomes inaccurate.

I reiterate: I am not interested in playing bug tennis with you.

Finally, I request that you stop mailing me privately, until you deign
to correct your mail server's configuration to not spuriously reject my
messages as spam.  This sort of asymmetry is impolite and
counterproductive.

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Bug#248940: Processed: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag

[Herbert Xu]

On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 11:52:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> 
> I did.
> 
>   From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   ^^
>   Subject: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag
>   Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:59:58 -0500
>   Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sorry, I should've paid more attention to the headers in the BTS.

BTW, that mail was stuck on your machine until today.

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> However, I am supremely disinterested in playing your favorite sport
> (bug tennis), so I guess this bug will languish until a kernel
> person can be troubled to look at it, just like the last Toshiba laptop
> keyboard problem you insisted wasn't the kernel's business to deal
> with[1][2].  As you said, "There is no way that this patch can be
> accepted...Don't bother reassigning it back to me because I will simply
> reassign it again with no warning."[3]

I'm no longer the maintainer of the kernel package, so I suggest that
you appeal to the new maintainers directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If they're happy with the bug report, then I certainly will not stand
in the way of you reassigning it.

Thanks,
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Bug#248940: Processed: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag

[John Belmonte]

Branden Robinson wrote:

Mr. Belmonte, you may want to take your concern directly to the
linux-kernel mailing list, as Mr. Xu is likely, given his past behavior,
to blockade any efforts to resolve this in Debian's kernel.


I've filed a kernel bug, see 
.

Bug#248940: Processed: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag

[Branden Robinson]

[Mr. Xu not mailed directly because his mail server has my mail host
blacklisted.]

retitle 248940 kernel: caps lock key events delayed on Toshiba Libretto L5 
laptop [BUG STALLED BECAUSE HERBERT XU WILL NOT PERMIT IT TO BE REASSIGNED TO 
THE KERNEL; cf. #121335]
thanks

On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 02:08:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> reassign 248940 xlibs
> quit
> 
> On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 09:03:04PM -0700, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> > Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > 
> > > reassign 248940 kernel
> > Bug#248940: xlibs: caps lock takes time to disengage with 
> > xfree86/pc101/dvorak on Toshiba Libretto L5 laptop
> > Bug reassigned from package `xlibs' to `kernel'.
> 
> Please cc @packages.debian.org when reassigning.

I did.

  From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ^^
  Subject: Re: Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag
  Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 22:59:58 -0500
  Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> In the BTS entry I've found no evidence to indicate that this is a kernel
> bug.

No, it's been suggested that it's a hardware bug, and the OS is the
abstraction layer for the hardware.

> In fact, in raw mode it is up to the user-space appliation to keep track
> of things like caps-lock state.

That's not what's being complained about.  Please read the original
report carefully.

> Therefore it is mostly likely to be an X bug a priori.

Raw mode is supposed to expose an abstract keyboard interface unseasoned
by terminal-related concerns, not every defect in the underlying
hardware.

As the 2.6 kernel likes to tell people, "XFree86 should not access the
hardware directly."  Raw mode is not "accessing the hardware directly".

It's not XFree86's job to work around hardware bugs.  It's the kernel's.

However, I am supremely disinterested in playing your favorite sport
(bug tennis), so I guess this bug will languish until a kernel
person can be troubled to look at it, just like the last Toshiba laptop
keyboard problem you insisted wasn't the kernel's business to deal
with[1][2].  As you said, "There is no way that this patch can be
accepted...Don't bother reassigning it back to me because I will simply
reassign it again with no warning."[3]

Mr. Belmonte, you may want to take your concern directly to the
linux-kernel mailing list, as Mr. Xu is likely, given his past behavior,
to blockade any efforts to resolve this in Debian's kernel.  That his
conception of the meaning of "raw mode" differs from that of the
upstream kernel maintainers does not stop him from imposing his vision
of it on Debian's kernel packages, even after his resignation from the
Debian Project[4].

I apologize for the inconvenience his uncooperative attitude is causing
you.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/01/msg00197.html
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=121335
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=121335&msg=39
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/05/msg00568.html

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[Debian Bug Tracking System]

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> blacklisted.]
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> retitle 248940 kernel: caps lock key events delayed on Toshiba Libretto L5 
> laptop [BUG STALLED BECAUSE HERBERT XU WILL NOT PERMIT IT TO BE REASSIGNED TO 
> THE KERNEL; cf. #121335]
Bug#248940: kernel: caps lock takes time to disengage in raw mode
Changed Bug title.

> thanks
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[Debian Bug Tracking System]

Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> reassign 248940 xlibs
Bug#248940: kernel: caps lock takes time to disengage in raw mode
Bug reassigned from package `kernel' to `xlibs'.

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[Debian Bug Tracking System]

Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> reassign 248940 kernel
Bug#248940: xlibs: caps lock takes time to disengage with xfree86/pc101/dvorak 
on Toshiba Libretto L5 laptop
Bug reassigned from package `xlibs' to `kernel'.

> retitle 248940 kernel: caps lock takes time to disengage in raw mode
Bug#248940: xlibs: caps lock takes time to disengage with xfree86/pc101/dvorak 
on Toshiba Libretto L5 laptop
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[Debian Bug Tracking System]

Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> retitle 248940 xlibs: caps lock takes time to disengage with 
> xfree86/pc101/dvorak on Toshiba Libretto L5 laptop
Bug#248940: xlibs: strange caps lock lag
Changed Bug title.

> tag 248940 + upstream help
Bug#248940: xlibs: caps lock takes time to disengage with xfree86/pc101/dvorak 
on Toshiba Libretto L5 laptop
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