Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] x libraries and powerpc/ppc64 biarch setup.

2005-09-23 Thread Andreas Jochens
On 05-Sep-23 10:17, Sven Luther wrote:
 x apparently already builds just fine in 64bit mode, or at least Andreas
 Jochens has done it, and if multi-arch ever becomes really usable, then
 another approach would be needed, in the meantime, the biarch is support we
 will have for etch.

'xorg-x11' indeed builds fine on the native 64-bit ppc64 port when the
patch from BTS #319178 is applied. That patch just adds minimal
support to make the package build on the ppc64 architecture:

* Add ppc64 to 'Architecture:' fields in debian/control
* Add ppc64 handling to debian/xserver-xorg.config.in
* Add the following new files:
debian/scripts/vars.ppc64
debian/MANIFEST.ppc64.in
debian/libxvmc-dev.install.ppc64
debian/libxvmc1-dbg.install.ppc64
debian/libxvmc1.install.ppc64
debian/xlibmesa-dri-dbg.install.ppc64
debian/xlibmesa-dri.install.ppc64
debian/xserver-xorg.config.in
debian/xserver-xorg.docs.ppc64
debian/xserver-xorg.install.ppc64

Note that this patch has nothing to do with the powerpc/ppc64 biarch 
'lib64...' approach that Sven has in mind. I have no idea if a
biarch approach would work for the 'xorg-x11' package. Even
if it is possible, I fear that it would complicate the packaging
of 'xorg-x11'. 

It would certainly be nice to have 64-bit versions of the X 
libraries available on powerpc (and also on i386). However,
IMHO this problem should be solved by implementing 'multiarch',
i.e. by allowing the installation of packages that have been 
built on a different architecture.

Regards
Andreas Jochens


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Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] x libraries and powerpc/ppc64 biarch setup.

2005-09-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:09:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
 On 05-Sep-23 10:17, Sven Luther wrote:
  x apparently already builds just fine in 64bit mode, or at least Andreas
  Jochens has done it, and if multi-arch ever becomes really usable, then
  another approach would be needed, in the meantime, the biarch is support we
  will have for etch.
 
 'xorg-x11' indeed builds fine on the native 64-bit ppc64 port when the
 patch from BTS #319178 is applied. That patch just adds minimal
 support to make the package build on the ppc64 architecture:

Notice in any case that this patch is probably not going to be used in any
case, since we will either go biarch for etch, or real multi-arch, which
hasn't been decided yet, and that in any case the 64bit name will be
powerpc64, not ppc64.

More to this in the coming days.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] x libraries and powerpc/ppc64 biarch setup.

2005-09-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:06:22PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
 On 05-Sep-23 13:16, Sven Luther wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:09:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
   On 05-Sep-23 10:17, Sven Luther wrote:
x apparently already builds just fine in 64bit mode, or at least Andreas
Jochens has done it, and if multi-arch ever becomes really usable, then
another approach would be needed, in the meantime, the biarch is 
support we
will have for etch.
   
   'xorg-x11' indeed builds fine on the native 64-bit ppc64 port when the
   patch from BTS #319178 is applied. That patch just adds minimal
   support to make the package build on the ppc64 architecture:
  
  Notice in any case that this patch is probably not going to be used in any
  case, since we will either go biarch for etch, or real multi-arch, which
  hasn't been decided yet, and that in any case the 64bit name will be
  powerpc64, not ppc64.
 
 Please do not start the naming debate for the ppc64 port again. 
 This has been discussed and decided months ago. 

Decided ? i don't think i was part of this discussion, and with the ppc/ppc64
kernel upstream thingy changing to a single powerpc one, things did indeed
change.

 The Debian packaging name is 'ppc64' which conforms to the LSB. 
 This name is already used by dpkg, apt and many other packages.

Well, we will see.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] x libraries and powerpc/ppc64 biarch setup.

2005-09-23 Thread Andreas Jochens
On 05-Sep-23 13:16, Sven Luther wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:09:17PM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
  On 05-Sep-23 10:17, Sven Luther wrote:
   x apparently already builds just fine in 64bit mode, or at least Andreas
   Jochens has done it, and if multi-arch ever becomes really usable, then
   another approach would be needed, in the meantime, the biarch is support 
   we
   will have for etch.
  
  'xorg-x11' indeed builds fine on the native 64-bit ppc64 port when the
  patch from BTS #319178 is applied. That patch just adds minimal
  support to make the package build on the ppc64 architecture:
 
 Notice in any case that this patch is probably not going to be used in any
 case, since we will either go biarch for etch, or real multi-arch, which
 hasn't been decided yet, and that in any case the 64bit name will be
 powerpc64, not ppc64.

Please do not start the naming debate for the ppc64 port again. 
This has been discussed and decided months ago. 

The Debian packaging name is 'ppc64' which conforms to the LSB. 
This name is already used by dpkg, apt and many other packages.

Regards
Andreas Jochens


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Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] x libraries and powerpc/ppc64 biarch setup.

2005-09-23 Thread Andreas Jochens
On 05-Sep-23 14:03, Sven Luther wrote:
 Andreas Jochens wrote:
  Please do not start the naming debate for the ppc64 port again. 
  This has been discussed and decided months ago. 
 
 Decided ? i don't think i was part of this discussion, and with the ppc/ppc64
 kernel upstream thingy changing to a single powerpc one, things did indeed
 change.

Sven, you wrote the following in that discussing on debian-devel
(see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg01828.html).

Sven Luther wrote:
 Notice that ppc64 is what is widely known in the outside world on anyone
 working with 64bit powerpc, that both the kernel and the toolchain use 
 it, that all the documentation referent to it uses ppc64 and that the 
 other distributions doin 64bit powerpc (gento, suze and redhat) use it 
 too, as well as all cross toolchain out there.

 Will we want to do something different as pure dogma, despite the cost
 involved ? 

The only voice against 'ppc64' in that discussion was from the
dpkg maintainer Scott James Remnant.

And yes, it was decided to use the name 'ppc64'. Following that
decision, this name was used by 'dpkg', 'apt', 'gcc-4.0' and
a lot of other packages.

Sven, please do not work against the ppc64 port by confusing people.

Regards
Andreas Jochens


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