Re: 4.2 install report
On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 20:54, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jul 08, 2002 at 09:44 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils Yup, that matches what I see from apt-cache show x-window-system-core. I've been using aptitude to do my installations. I have no clue why it doesn't pull in xserver-xfree86 and so on -- when I ran the install, it claimed it successfully installed x-window-system-core, but it did nothing with the dependencies. Because they are unversioned, the old versions that were already installed satisfied them. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 20:54, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jul 08, 2002 at 09:44 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils Yup, that matches what I see from apt-cache show x-window-system-core. I've been using aptitude to do my installations. I have no clue why it doesn't pull in xserver-xfree86 and so on -- when I ran the install, it claimed it successfully installed x-window-system-core, but it did nothing with the dependencies. Because they are unversioned, the old versions that were already installed satisfied them. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jul 08, 2002 at 09:44 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils Yup, that matches what I see from apt-cache show x-window-system-core. I've been using aptitude to do my installations. I have no clue why it doesn't pull in xserver-xfree86 and so on -- when I ran the install, it claimed it successfully installed x-window-system-core, but it did nothing with the dependencies. Aptitude generally seems to be working for me otherwise; I pulled down openoffice.org the other day, which has some dependencies, with no problems. If you want more info, let me know. Now that my stuff is working I'm a little afraid to mess with it, but I'll do it in the interests of Science if it helps... So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). FYI, this LCD phenomenon is called blooming. It's generally considered a bad thing, and when it happens you should try to stop it by any means necessary. Take the box down hard if you have to. Thanks for the explanation terminology. When I was searching the archives google, I didn't know that term so I probably missed most of the interesting info. -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jul 08, 2002 at 09:44 -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils Yup, that matches what I see from apt-cache show x-window-system-core. I've been using aptitude to do my installations. I have no clue why it doesn't pull in xserver-xfree86 and so on -- when I ran the install, it claimed it successfully installed x-window-system-core, but it did nothing with the dependencies. Aptitude generally seems to be working for me otherwise; I pulled down openoffice.org the other day, which has some dependencies, with no problems. If you want more info, let me know. Now that my stuff is working I'm a little afraid to mess with it, but I'll do it in the interests of Science if it helps... So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). FYI, this LCD phenomenon is called blooming. It's generally considered a bad thing, and when it happens you should try to stop it by any means necessary. Take the box down hard if you have to. Thanks for the explanation terminology. When I was searching the archives google, I didn't know that term so I probably missed most of the interesting info. -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). FYI, this LCD phenomenon is called blooming. It's generally considered a bad thing, and when it happens you should try to stop it by any means necessary. Take the box down hard if you have to. With 4.2.0-0pre1v1, it works great! Thank you, XF86 developers Debian maintainers! Glad to hear it! -- G. Branden Robinson|Optimists believe we live in the Debian GNU/Linux |best of all possible worlds. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Pessimists are afraid the optimists http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |are right. pgp123JgKy1iL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 4.2 install report
On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 09:49:56AM -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. Hmm, I'm not sure what packages you're using: Package: x-window-system-core Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 4.2.0-0pre1v1 Depends: xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa3, xfonts-base ( 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). FYI, this LCD phenomenon is called blooming. It's generally considered a bad thing, and when it happens you should try to stop it by any means necessary. Take the box down hard if you have to. With 4.2.0-0pre1v1, it works great! Thank you, XF86 developers Debian maintainers! Glad to hear it! -- G. Branden Robinson|Optimists believe we live in the Debian GNU/Linux |best of all possible worlds. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Pessimists are afraid the optimists http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |are right. msg03754/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). With 4.2.0-0pre1v1, it works great! Thank you, XF86 developers Debian maintainers! -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 11:40 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. OK, I fiddled around endlessly and discovered that the x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages do not automatically pull in the 4.2.0 version of xserver-xfree86, on my system. Probably an APT configuration thing, like I said I'm new to Debian. So I successfully got the new stuff by grabbing xserver-xfree86. Good news -- seems to be working here, and, the bug that has been annoying me the most is fixed! On my Trident CyberBlade-equipped laptop, with 4.1.0-17 and prior, when I switched back to X from a console, the screen would go all melted white (like it had the wrong refresh rate). With 4.2.0-0pre1v1, it works great! Thank you, XF86 developers Debian maintainers! -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HWcursor problem (was: Re: 4.2 install report)
#include hallo.h Steve Greenland wrote on Wed Jun 26, 2002 um 06:19:13PM: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Almost the same for me, but - with the new nv driver, I have to use Option SWcursor. With HWcursor, I get only two purple shadows of a pointer, not the default black pointer. 4.1 worked fine with both, afaik. SWcursor has a flickering problem when beeing over refreshed areas, ie. over the XMMS window. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Kleines Lexikon der Computerwerbung: integriert minderwertige Einzelteile vereint in einem katastrophalem Ganzen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 26, 2002 at 06:19 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Hm, very encouraging -- this might be the same problem that has been bugging me (with 4.1.0-17). If I do C-A-F1 from within X, the virtual console comes up OK, but if I do A-F7 to get back into X, my (laptop LCD) screen melts to white. I'm not sure that the X server is crashed though, because I can type commands into the terminal window in X; e.g. chvt 1 will flip me back to a virtual console, and C-A-Backspace will exit X. I have the same problem when waking X up from sleep -- melted white screen. I didn't used to have this problem on this machine, when it used the old svga driver under 3.x (but then the display was horribly slow). Does this sound like your problem? I also have a Trident Cyberblade in this Acer 340T. -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 12:17 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 26, 2002 at 06:19 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Hm, very encouraging -- this might be the same problem that has been bugging me (with 4.1.0-17). If I do C-A-F1 from within X, the virtual BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. Pardon the monologue, but I'm stuck about halfway through this upgrade. I figured out that I can go to http://people.debian.org/~branden and select a mirror site for the new .debs, and put that in my /etc/apt/sources.list. So aptitude now shows the 4.2 packages for x-window-system and x-window-system-core. I selected them for download/installation, did it, and got some messages saying the new stuff is being installed. aptitude shows 4.2.0-0pre1v1 as the currently installed versions of those packages. However, nothing seems to have changed! I exited X and restarted, and /var/log/XFree86.0.log still prints 4.1.0-17 as the version, and the date on the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X is still April 18... I tried reinstalling a couple of times, to no avail. Any clues appreciated! Thanks in advance :) -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 12:17 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: On Jun 26, 2002 at 06:19 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Hm, very encouraging -- this might be the same problem that has been bugging me (with 4.1.0-17). If I do C-A-F1 from within X, the virtual BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Jun 27, 2002 at 10:05 -0400, Thatcher Ulrich wrote: BTW, can someone quickly explain what I do to try the new version of the package? I'm a Debian newbie, so I only really understand the basics of dselect/aptitude. Pardon the monologue, but I'm stuck about halfway through this upgrade. I figured out that I can go to http://people.debian.org/~branden and select a mirror site for the new .debs, and put that in my /etc/apt/sources.list. So aptitude now shows the 4.2 packages for x-window-system and x-window-system-core. I selected them for download/installation, did it, and got some messages saying the new stuff is being installed. aptitude shows 4.2.0-0pre1v1 as the currently installed versions of those packages. However, nothing seems to have changed! I exited X and restarted, and /var/log/XFree86.0.log still prints 4.1.0-17 as the version, and the date on the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X is still April 18... I tried reinstalling a couple of times, to no avail. Any clues appreciated! Thanks in advance :) -- Thatcher Ulrich http://tulrich.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:19, Steve Greenland wrote: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Same here. If the world were only i386 it should be ready for unstable. My only complaint is that the famous Radeon Xvideo buglet is still there. Brief description: Play a video using your favorite linux video player (mplayer/xine). Do something to hide the video output window (this assumes that you're not playing full screen) such that no portion of the video, even a small slice of it, can be seen. You can either try to minimize it or raise a window below it. A freeze frame (or still image) of the video remains on the screen. -- 09:16:59 up 6 days, 4:23, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.2 install report
On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:19, Steve Greenland wrote: I upgraded from whatever is in Debian unstable to 4.2.0pre1v1. Everything went smoothly, no problems. I can finally switch from the X console to another virtual console and back without crashing the server (Trident Cyberblade). Very nice. Same here. If the world were only i386 it should be ready for unstable. My only complaint is that the famous Radeon Xvideo buglet is still there. Brief description: Play a video using your favorite linux video player (mplayer/xine). Do something to hide the video output window (this assumes that you're not playing full screen) such that no portion of the video, even a small slice of it, can be seen. You can either try to minimize it or raise a window below it. A freeze frame (or still image) of the video remains on the screen. -- 09:16:59 up 6 days, 4:23, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
