Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:48:13PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 22:43]: > > Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k > > myself, using the recently-donated G3. > > Well, I wasn't thinking of emulating one of those old machines -- I was > thinking of setting up gcc to know about the processor on one machine > while compiling on another. You know, using the -b flag? How about the m68k crosscompiler packages? gcc-m68k-linux - The GNU C compiler for cross compiling m68k-linux binaries. binutils-m68k-linux - GNU binutils for cross compiling m68k-linux binaries. pgpCkKfcJhvaD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:48:13PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 22:43]: > > Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k > > myself, using the recently-donated G3. > > Well, I wasn't thinking of emulating one of those old machines -- I was > thinking of setting up gcc to know about the processor on one machine > while compiling on another. You know, using the -b flag? How about the m68k crosscompiler packages? gcc-m68k-linux - The GNU C compiler for cross compiling m68k-linux binaries. binutils-m68k-linux - GNU binutils for cross compiling m68k-linux binaries. PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 03:35:36PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > If you mean Egbert, I guess he's at least as busy as Branden. :) Probably. At least Branden bounces the mail to somebody who has the time to write "READ THE FAQ DAMNIT" > Not so sure. I have such a machine here, and a BuildServonly build takes about > an hour, so a full build would probably be 2-4 hours (right?). Ok, crosscompiling perhaps. I was thinking of emulating here. that would not speed up things. > Why not? Can you install debian-m68k with uclinux? Oh they use it in tanks now, so it should work with debian as well? No idea... Christian -- http://people.debian.org/~cts/
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
"Christian T. Steigies" wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 01:53:52AM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Ben Collins wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > > > faster... :) > We don't _need_ to compile it on m68k, since it does not even work yet. But > I still have some hope that one or more of the zillions of m68k users step > forward to pick up the pieces and make X work (btw no reply yet from the X > guy, Michael). If you mean Egbert, I guess he's at least as busy as Branden. :) > We don't do cross compiling for packages, might speed up things though for > these test builds. But I don't think my P2-400 would be so much faster than > my [EMAIL PROTECTED] that its worth the hassle Not so sure. I have such a machine here, and a BuildServonly build takes about an hour, so a full build would probably be 2-4 hours (right?). > > Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... > AFAIR UAE only emulates up to 68020 and no MMU. That will not boot > linux-m68k (I tried once). You can boot uclinux however (Geert had success > with this) but that does not help building X for m68k. Why not? Michel -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper) \ CS student and free software enthusiast Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc,i386) user \ member of XFree86 and the DRI project
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 03:35:36PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > If you mean Egbert, I guess he's at least as busy as Branden. :) Probably. At least Branden bounces the mail to somebody who has the time to write "READ THE FAQ DAMNIT" > Not so sure. I have such a machine here, and a BuildServonly build takes about > an hour, so a full build would probably be 2-4 hours (right?). Ok, crosscompiling perhaps. I was thinking of emulating here. that would not speed up things. > Why not? Can you install debian-m68k with uclinux? Oh they use it in tanks now, so it should work with debian as well? No idea... Christian -- http://people.debian.org/~cts/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
"Christian T. Steigies" wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 01:53:52AM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > Ben Collins wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > > > faster... :) > We don't _need_ to compile it on m68k, since it does not even work yet. But > I still have some hope that one or more of the zillions of m68k users step > forward to pick up the pieces and make X work (btw no reply yet from the X > guy, Michael). If you mean Egbert, I guess he's at least as busy as Branden. :) > We don't do cross compiling for packages, might speed up things though for > these test builds. But I don't think my P2-400 would be so much faster than > my 060@50 that its worth the hassle Not so sure. I have such a machine here, and a BuildServonly build takes about an hour, so a full build would probably be 2-4 hours (right?). > > Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... > AFAIR UAE only emulates up to 68020 and no MMU. That will not boot > linux-m68k (I tried once). You can boot uclinux however (Geert had success > with this) but that does not help building X for m68k. Why not? Michel -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper) \ CS student and free software enthusiast Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc,i386) user \ member of XFree86 and the DRI project -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
Don't drink and derive... anyway, a few comments on this thread. On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 01:53:52AM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Ben Collins wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > > faster... :) We don't _need_ to compile it on m68k, since it does not even work yet. But I still have some hope that one or more of the zillions of m68k users step forward to pick up the pieces and make X work (btw no reply yet from the X guy, Michael). We don't do cross compiling for packages, might speed up things though for these test builds. But I don't think my P2-400 would be so much faster than my [EMAIL PROTECTED] that its worth the hassle (I once tried to set up cross compiling, but I did not come very far and I think gcc-cross and co are little bit outdated). However, if somebody of you has an Athlon-1500 to spare, go ahead. > Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... AFAIR UAE only emulates up to 68020 and no MMU. That will not boot linux-m68k (I tried once). You can boot uclinux however (Geert had success with this) but that does not help building X for m68k. Generally compiling time is no problem, even the buildd has built X4.0 twice already. The problems are only the chaning MANIFEST (Branden said that will go away soon) and the non-working of X4.0 on m68k. So actually, only the last point is a problem. I will look into that again, when I can finish the -12 build. Christian -- http://people.debian.org/~cts/
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
Don't drink and derive... anyway, a few comments on this thread. On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 01:53:52AM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Ben Collins wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > > faster... :) We don't _need_ to compile it on m68k, since it does not even work yet. But I still have some hope that one or more of the zillions of m68k users step forward to pick up the pieces and make X work (btw no reply yet from the X guy, Michael). We don't do cross compiling for packages, might speed up things though for these test builds. But I don't think my P2-400 would be so much faster than my 060@50 that its worth the hassle (I once tried to set up cross compiling, but I did not come very far and I think gcc-cross and co are little bit outdated). However, if somebody of you has an Athlon-1500 to spare, go ahead. > Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... AFAIR UAE only emulates up to 68020 and no MMU. That will not boot linux-m68k (I tried once). You can boot uclinux however (Geert had success with this) but that does not help building X for m68k. Generally compiling time is no problem, even the buildd has built X4.0 twice already. The problems are only the chaning MANIFEST (Branden said that will go away soon) and the non-working of X4.0 on m68k. So actually, only the last point is a problem. I will look into that again, when I can finish the -12 build. Christian -- http://people.debian.org/~cts/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 22:43]: > Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k > myself, using the recently-donated G3. Well, I wasn't thinking of emulating one of those old machines -- I was thinking of setting up gcc to know about the processor on one machine while compiling on another. You know, using the -b flag? -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:28:54AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > Here comes the new MANIFEST for m68k, I hope its not too late. > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). Here it comes where? There was no MIME-attachment. -- G. Branden Robinson |Software engineering: that part of Debian GNU/Linux|computer science which is too difficult [EMAIL PROTECTED] |for the computer scientist. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgp33wRN0f0Xc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 07:25:23PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long > > > I > > > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > faster... :) > > I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If > you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc > compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it > emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k myself, using the recently-donated G3. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| The software said it required Windows [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 3.1 or better, so I installed Linux. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpTU9Y3O3jCZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 22:43]: > Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k > myself, using the recently-donated G3. Well, I wasn't thinking of emulating one of those old machines -- I was thinking of setting up gcc to know about the processor on one machine while compiling on another. You know, using the -b flag? -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 12:28:54AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > Here comes the new MANIFEST for m68k, I hope its not too late. > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). Here it comes where? There was no MIME-attachment. -- G. Branden Robinson |Software engineering: that part of Debian GNU/Linux|computer science which is too difficult [EMAIL PROTECTED] |for the computer scientist. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 07:25:23PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > > > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > faster... :) > > I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If > you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc > compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it > emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Let me know if this works out, and I will babysit XFree86 builds for m68k myself, using the recently-donated G3. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| The software said it required Windows [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 3.1 or better, so I installed Linux. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | PGP signature
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
Ben Collins wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how > > > long I need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > faster... :) > > I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If > you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc > compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it > emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... Michel -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper) \ CS student and free software enthusiast Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc,i386) user \ member of XFree86 and The DRI Project
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > faster... :) I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit faster... :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
Ben Collins wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how > > > long I need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > > faster... :) > > I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If > you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc > compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it > emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Looked at UAE yet? Don't know if that emulates an 68040... Michel -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper) \ CS student and free software enthusiast Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc,i386) user \ member of XFree86 and The DRI Project -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 03:46:49PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > * Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). > > Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* > to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit > faster... :) I've been looking for an m68k emu capable of running Linux under my g4. If you know of one, I'de be very interested (with respect to getting glibc compiled done). Doesn't matter if it requires MacOS either, so long as it emulates a 68040 and runs Linux. Ben -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: m68k MANIFEST for xfree86_4.0.1-11
* Christian T. Steigies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001213 15:37]: > Just for reference: Build needed 18:30:59 (so that Branden knows how long I > need _at least_ to get a new MANIFEST). Could a cross-compile environment bring this down? Is there any *need* to compile these things on an m68k? I imagine those new g4s are a bit faster... :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
