Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-06 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 5 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op di 04-03-2003, om 22:24 schreef Geert Uytterhoeven:
> [added [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Cc list; -x and -powerpc should
> probably be removed, so setting reply-to]
> > > There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> > > issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> > > they don't boot.
> > > 
> > > There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> > > rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> > > to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> > > removed from the archive.
> > 
> > What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my 
> > Amiga,
> > with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?
> 
> No, it is not; according to the bug report, problems started with glibc
> 2.2.4.
> 
> I must admit that I personally never tried running a 2.4 kernel on my
> m68k box, since I did not find the time back then to try it out, and did
> not hear any success reports from people running 2.4 on m68k (not on
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], on [EMAIL PROTECTED], or in
> comp.os.linux.m68k). In fact, yours is the first success report I ever

Ah, I no longer read those mailing lists and newsgroups...

> heard. Also, I vaguely remember something about this bug being
> Mac-specific, but I might have been dreaming about that part.

That's possible...

> Are you running Debian on that particular box? If not, the problems
> could be Debian-specific...

What else would I be running? ;-) For m68k, there's really not much choice...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-06 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 5 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op di 04-03-2003, om 22:24 schreef Geert Uytterhoeven:
> [added [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Cc list; -x and -powerpc should
> probably be removed, so setting reply-to]
> > > There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> > > issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> > > they don't boot.
> > > 
> > > There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> > > rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> > > to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> > > removed from the archive.
> > 
> > What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> > with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?
> 
> No, it is not; according to the bug report, problems started with glibc
> 2.2.4.
> 
> I must admit that I personally never tried running a 2.4 kernel on my
> m68k box, since I did not find the time back then to try it out, and did
> not hear any success reports from people running 2.4 on m68k (not on
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], on [EMAIL PROTECTED], or in
> comp.os.linux.m68k). In fact, yours is the first success report I ever

Ah, I no longer read those mailing lists and newsgroups...

> heard. Also, I vaguely remember something about this bug being
> Mac-specific, but I might have been dreaming about that part.

That's possible...

> Are you running Debian on that particular box? If not, the problems
> could be Debian-specific...

What else would I be running? ;-) For m68k, there's really not much choice...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di 04-03-2003, om 22:24 schreef Geert Uytterhoeven:
[added [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Cc list; -x and -powerpc should
probably be removed, so setting reply-to]
> > There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> > issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> > they don't boot.
> > 
> > There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> > rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> > to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> > removed from the archive.
> 
> What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

No, it is not; according to the bug report, problems started with glibc
2.2.4.

I must admit that I personally never tried running a 2.4 kernel on my
m68k box, since I did not find the time back then to try it out, and did
not hear any success reports from people running 2.4 on m68k (not on
[EMAIL PROTECTED], on [EMAIL PROTECTED], or in
comp.os.linux.m68k). In fact, yours is the first success report I ever
heard. Also, I vaguely remember something about this bug being
Mac-specific, but I might have been dreaming about that part.

Are you running Debian on that particular box? If not, the problems
could be Debian-specific...

-- 
wouter at grep dot be
"An expert can usually spot the difference between a fake charge and a
full one, but there are plenty of dead experts." 
  -- National Geographic Channel, in a documentary about large African beasts.



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op di 04-03-2003, om 22:24 schreef Geert Uytterhoeven:
[added [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the Cc list; -x and -powerpc should
probably be removed, so setting reply-to]
> > There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> > issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> > they don't boot.
> > 
> > There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> > rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> > to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> > removed from the archive.
> 
> What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

No, it is not; according to the bug report, problems started with glibc
2.2.4.

I must admit that I personally never tried running a 2.4 kernel on my
m68k box, since I did not find the time back then to try it out, and did
not hear any success reports from people running 2.4 on m68k (not on
[EMAIL PROTECTED], on [EMAIL PROTECTED], or in
comp.os.linux.m68k). In fact, yours is the first success report I ever
heard. Also, I vaguely remember something about this bug being
Mac-specific, but I might have been dreaming about that part.

Are you running Debian on that particular box? If not, the problems
could be Debian-specific...

-- 
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"An expert can usually spot the difference between a fake charge and a
full one, but there are plenty of dead experts." 
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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-05 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:24:45PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my 
> > Amiga,
> > with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?
> 
> I am trying to build some 2.4.20 packages. The last version I tried was
> 2.4.18, which was mostly stable, but it still froze from time to time. And I
> think it did not work together with xdm. I have one built for my Amiga, but
> I cannot test it until I return home. I will try to build generic
> kernel-images for all subarches, so more people can test them, its not
> enough to have 2.4 kernel-images, they better work at least as good as the
> 2.2.20 we are using now.

So you have a fairly recent 2.2.x as well? I've been thinking about upgrading
m68k to the latest 2.2.x (and even 2.0.x :-) tree myself, but due to a lack of
time that didn't happen yet.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-05 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:24:45PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> > with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?
> 
> I am trying to build some 2.4.20 packages. The last version I tried was
> 2.4.18, which was mostly stable, but it still froze from time to time. And I
> think it did not work together with xdm. I have one built for my Amiga, but
> I cannot test it until I return home. I will try to build generic
> kernel-images for all subarches, so more people can test them, its not
> enough to have 2.4 kernel-images, they better work at least as good as the
> 2.2.20 we are using now.

So you have a fairly recent 2.2.x as well? I've been thinking about upgrading
m68k to the latest 2.2.x (and even 2.0.x :-) tree myself, but due to a lack of
time that didn't happen yet.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:24:45PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> 
> What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

I am trying to build some 2.4.20 packages. The last version I tried was
2.4.18, which was mostly stable, but it still froze from time to time. And I
think it did not work together with xdm. I have one built for my Amiga, but
I cannot test it until I return home. I will try to build generic
kernel-images for all subarches, so more people can test them, its not
enough to have 2.4 kernel-images, they better work at least as good as the
2.2.20 we are using now.

Christian



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread GOTO Masanori
At 04 Mar 2003 20:18:00 +0100,
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > > 
> > > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist 
> > > > for
> > > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > > 
> > > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> > 
> > If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> > appreciate it.
> 
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
> 
> There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> removed from the archive.
> 
> [1] note that I'm not pointing fingers here, I'm not skilled enough in
> that area to tell who's "fault" it is.

I don't know such an issue, but glibc-2.3.1 also causes the problem?

Regards,
-- gotom



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:24:45PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> 
> What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
> with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

I am trying to build some 2.4.20 packages. The last version I tried was
2.4.18, which was mostly stable, but it still froze from time to time. And I
think it did not work together with xdm. I have one built for my Amiga, but
I cannot test it until I return home. I will try to build generic
kernel-images for all subarches, so more people can test them, its not
enough to have 2.4 kernel-images, they better work at least as good as the
2.2.20 we are using now.

Christian


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread GOTO Masanori
At 04 Mar 2003 20:18:00 +0100,
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > > 
> > > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
> > > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > > 
> > > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> > 
> > If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> > appreciate it.
> 
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
> 
> There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> removed from the archive.
> 
> [1] note that I'm not pointing fingers here, I'm not skilled enough in
> that area to tell who's "fault" it is.

I don't know such an issue, but glibc-2.3.1 also causes the problem?

Regards,
-- gotom


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 4 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > > 
> > > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist 
> > > > for
> > > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > > 
> > > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> > 
> > If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> > appreciate it.
> 
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
> 
> There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> removed from the archive.

What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:18:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
[...]

Okay, thanks!

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Debian GNU/Linux   |  uh, well, something bad will
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |  happen.
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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 4 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > > 
> > > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
> > > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > > 
> > > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> > 
> > If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> > appreciate it.
> 
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
> 
> There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
> rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
> to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
> removed from the archive.

What's the real problem? I'm running 2.4.20 (from Linux/m68k CVS) on my Amiga,
with glibc-2.2.5-3? Or is this version glibc too old to exhibit the problem?

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > 
> > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist 
> > > for
> > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > 
> > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> 
> If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> appreciate it.

There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
they don't boot.

There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
removed from the archive.

[1] note that I'm not pointing fingers here, I'm not skilled enough in
that area to tell who's "fault" it is.

-- 
wouter at grep dot be
"An expert can usually spot the difference between a fake charge and a
full one, but there are plenty of dead experts." 
  -- National Geographic Channel, in a documentary about large African beasts.



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:18:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
> issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
> they don't boot.
[...]

Okay, thanks!

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Debian GNU/Linux   |  uh, well, something bad will
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |  happen.
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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma 03-03-2003, om 23:45 schreef Branden Robinson:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> > 
> > >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
> > >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> > 
> > You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.
> 
> If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
> appreciate it.

There are actually some 2.4 kernels available for m68k, but due to an
issue related to glibc[1] that started somewhere in the glibc-2.2 area,
they don't boot.

There used to be a bug report on glibc regarding that issue, which was
rather quickly reassigned to the kernel-patch-2.4.7-m68k package. Since,
to date, nobody ever solved the issue, the latter package has now been
removed from the archive.

[1] note that I'm not pointing fingers here, I'm not skilled enough in
that area to tell who's "fault" it is.

-- 
wouter at grep dot be
"An expert can usually spot the difference between a fake charge and a
full one, but there are plenty of dead experts." 
  -- National Geographic Channel, in a documentary about large African beasts.


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 10:24:05AM -0800, Brett Carter wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:10:05AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> > 
> > Couldn't you simply point people to
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
> > much shorter in favour of that pointer?
> >
> 
> Yup, I must agree with Michel, no need to duplicate information that's
> already published.

The reason I didn't was that I wasn't aware of this resource.

The reason I won't chop it down to nothing is because some people who
can't log into their display manager, or use X because of keyboard
problems may not be connected to the net, or be unable to bring up a
graphical Web browser they can use visit that URL, and be unfamiliar
with or fearful of text-mode browsers like links or w3m.

I will, however, include a reference to it in my FAQ; thanks for
bringing it to my attention!

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> 
> >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
> >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> 
> You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.

If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
appreciate it.

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 10:24:05AM -0800, Brett Carter wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:10:05AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> > 
> > Couldn't you simply point people to
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
> > much shorter in favour of that pointer?
> >
> 
> Yup, I must agree with Michel, no need to duplicate information that's
> already published.

The reason I didn't was that I wasn't aware of this resource.

The reason I won't chop it down to nothing is because some people who
can't log into their display manager, or use X because of keyboard
problems may not be connected to the net, or be unable to bring up a
graphical Web browser they can use visit that URL, and be unfamiliar
with or fearful of text-mode browsers like links or w3m.

I will, however, include a reference to it in my FAQ; thanks for
bringing it to my attention!

-- 
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Debian GNU/Linux   | do if he doesn't know whether he
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not.
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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:15:03AM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Le lun 03/03/2003 ? 01:36, Branden Robinson a ?crit :
> 
> >To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
> >m68k-based Macintoshes.
> 
> You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.

If someone could clarify the situation with kernel 2.4 on m68k, I'd
appreciate it.

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Brett Carter
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:10:05AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> 
> Couldn't you simply point people to
> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
> much shorter in favour of that pointer?
>

Yup, I must agree with Michel, no need to duplicate information that's
already published.
-Brett



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Brett Carter
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:10:05AM +0100, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> 
> Couldn't you simply point people to
> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
> much shorter in favour of that pointer?
>

Yup, I must agree with Michel, no need to duplicate information that's
already published.
-Brett


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le lun 03/03/2003 à 01:36, Branden Robinson a écrit :

>To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
>m68k-based Macintoshes.

You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.

Xav



Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 3 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
> that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
> depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
> the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as
> 
> Mode "Default"
> 
> in the correct SubSection for the display.
> 
> If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

But that's not true for _all_ m68k Macs, right? At least valkyriefb can do mode
switching.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le lun 03/03/2003 à 01:36, Branden Robinson a écrit :

>To date, no kernels with the feature of sending Linux keycodes exist for
>m68k-based Macintoshes.

You should perhaps indicate the date and kernel version this refers to.

Xav


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-03 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On 3 Mar 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
> that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
> depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
> the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as
> 
> Mode "Default"
> 
> in the correct SubSection for the display.
> 
> If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

But that's not true for _all_ m68k Macs, right? At least valkyriefb can do mode
switching.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 02:24:15AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 01:36 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.
> 
> You have a FAQ? Nice. Didn't know. Where can I find it?

http://people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/FAQ
file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz

> As far as I'm concerned (m68k-side of things), I could not find any
> obvious errors.

Great, thanks.

> However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
> that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
> depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
> the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as
> 
> Mode "Default"
> 
> in the correct SubSection for the display.
> 
> If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

Please file a wishlist bug about this against xfree86-common, with
suggested question and answer text.

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 02:24:15AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Op ma 03-03-2003, om 01:36 schreef Branden Robinson:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.
> 
> You have a FAQ? Nice. Didn't know. Where can I find it?

http://people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/FAQ
file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz

> As far as I'm concerned (m68k-side of things), I could not find any
> obvious errors.

Great, thanks.

> However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
> that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
> depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
> the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as
> 
> Mode "Default"
> 
> in the correct SubSection for the display.
> 
> If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

Please file a wishlist bug about this against xfree86-common, with
suggested question and answer text.

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 01:36, Branden Robinson wrote:
> 
> I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.
> 
> I would very much appreciate correction of any factual errors I have
> made.
> 
> Also, because my FAQ is freely licensed[1], please feel free to borrow
> as much of this as you may need for any other FAQ.
> 
> *) I'm using a Macintosh, and while the keyboard works correctly on a virtual
>terminal, in X it's all messed up.  What's the matter?

[ lengthy entry snipped ]

Couldn't you simply point people to
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
much shorter in favour of that pointer?


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma 03-03-2003, om 01:36 schreef Branden Robinson:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.

You have a FAQ? Nice. Didn't know. Where can I find it?

> I would very much appreciate correction of any factual errors I have
> made.

As far as I'm concerned (m68k-side of things), I could not find any
obvious errors.

However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as

Mode "Default"

in the correct SubSection for the display.

If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 01:36, Branden Robinson wrote:
> 
> I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.
> 
> I would very much appreciate correction of any factual errors I have
> made.
> 
> Also, because my FAQ is freely licensed[1], please feel free to borrow
> as much of this as you may need for any other FAQ.
> 
> *) I'm using a Macintosh, and while the keyboard works correctly on a virtual
>terminal, in X it's all messed up.  What's the matter?

[ lengthy entry snipped ]

Couldn't you simply point people to
http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/keycodes, or at least make the entry
much shorter in favour of that pointer?


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Re: review wanted of new Debian X FAQ entry

2003-03-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma 03-03-2003, om 01:36 schreef Branden Robinson:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm adding the following FAQ entry to the Debian X FAQ.

You have a FAQ? Nice. Didn't know. Where can I find it?

> I would very much appreciate correction of any factual errors I have
> made.

As far as I'm concerned (m68k-side of things), I could not find any
obvious errors.

However, I'd like to suggest adding another entry, regarding the fact
that on (at least) m68k-macs, it is *impossible* to switch the color
depth or screen resolution of the display under Linux; one has to choose
the display depth which is chosen under MacOS, and use a line such as

Mode "Default"

in the correct SubSection for the display.

If a question such as this one is not already in your FAQ, that is...

-- 
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full one, but there are plenty of dead experts." 
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