Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
Around 20 o'clock on Mar 31, Thomas Dickey wrote: > That sounds reasonable enough. Bear in mind on the other hand that I > (more frequently than I like) see comments to the effect that other > terminal emulators are more modern/flashy/etc. Well, you still have a dedicated user base of people who need actual vt220 emulation. I tried the others and came back home to xterm :-) > For the foreseeable future, I'm inclined to continue as I have with xterm - > improving and maintaining it and working with groups that distribute it. That would be great; it's been really nice to have xterm well maintained for the last several years. I hope we can continue including xterm as a part of the main X release for some time to come. Also, if you ever need additional services for development, please let any of the freedesktop.org folks know; I've got a reasonable budget for hardware and good hosting facilities. -keith pgp93l6yukB1u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 05:06:40PM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: > > Around 19 o'clock on Mar 31, Thomas Dickey wrote: > > > If it's not in the X.org repository, I gain the impression that it would > > not be released in X11R6.8 > > My hope is that any future release from X.org would not be a monolithic > release but rather a collection of separately released modules so that the > 'X.org repository' becomes only those modules which people want to > maintain there. X.org would then construct a release of software > maintained both in it's own repository as well as software maintained > elsewhere without having to copy the source code into the X.org repository. That sounds reasonable enough. Bear in mind on the other hand that I (more frequently than I like) see comments to the effect that other terminal emulators are more modern/flashy/etc. > So, X11R6.8 (or whatever it's called) could contain whatever released bits > that people wanted it to contain. I would certainly push to only include > software that the original authors *wanted* to be included in X and leave > out bits which those authors wanted to maintain and distributed on their > own. For the foreseeable future, I'm inclined to continue as I have with xterm - improving and maintaining it and working with groups that distribute it. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgpyIdGeMliS7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
Around 19 o'clock on Mar 31, Thomas Dickey wrote: > If it's not in the X.org repository, I gain the impression that it would > not be released in X11R6.8 My hope is that any future release from X.org would not be a monolithic release but rather a collection of separately released modules so that the 'X.org repository' becomes only those modules which people want to maintain there. X.org would then construct a release of software maintained both in it's own repository as well as software maintained elsewhere without having to copy the source code into the X.org repository. So, X11R6.8 (or whatever it's called) could contain whatever released bits that people wanted it to contain. I would certainly push to only include software that the original authors *wanted* to be included in X and leave out bits which those authors wanted to maintain and distributed on their own. -keith pgpXzmZPS6Kls.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 04:38:41PM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: > Parts of the system which are maintained outside (like xterm) will > eventually be dropped from the X.org repository, as long as licenses remain > compatible. If it's not in the X.org repository, I gain the impression that it would not be released in X11R6.8 -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgperNEVrTl8t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
Around 21 o'clock on Mar 31, Thomas Dickey wrote: > Google says that X11R6.7 has been upcoming for more than a year. > How much closer is it than that? Oh, that's funny! And here I thought we'd managed to come up with a unique new name... The X.org Foundation has been completely reformulated and is now driven by actual developers instead of dying Unix vendors. Egbert Eich is currently driving a fork of XFree86 4.4 RC2 to release and we all agreed to call it X11R6.7. It's not technically different from XFree86 4.4, but it isn't affected by the XFree86 1.1 license. We were hoping to be done by yesterday, but it's taking longer to get the documentation into reasonable shape. Next Tuesday is the current target; I think we'll hit that. Red Hat, SuSE, Debian and Gentoo (at least) will be using the X.org codebase for their releases. Parts of the system which are maintained outside (like xterm) will eventually be dropped from the X.org repository, as long as licenses remain compatible. -keith pgpn1rCkeKp4C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I plan on migrating bits of the upcoming X11R6.7 release into the modular > tree and essentially abandoning the version in the monolithic tree -- > making the default monolithic build not install bits which come from the > modular environment. Google says that X11R6.7 has been upcoming for more than a year. How much closer is it than that? -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:39:22AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 13:48, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:29:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > > > > freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with > > > > a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this > > > > will replace XFree86. > > > > > > Where is this work being done, and do you plan to use this mailing list > > > to coordinate the effort? > > > > On Feb 10th, OFTC #debian-devel: > > 23:44 DanielS changed the topic of #debian-devel to: DPL2004 > > Nomination period now open - http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_001 | > > Debconf4 registration open: http://www.debconf.org/debconf4/register | > > please read http://people.d.o/~daniels/xlibs.html, feedback to DanielS > > > > That topic stayed on both OFTC and OPN for quite some time, [...] > > I look at the #debian-devel topic semi-regularly, but I din't see this. > I also wonder why this work isn't discussed here? (After all, it's > called the _X_ Strike Force, not XFree86 Strike Force...) Where is it > discussed? I haven't had much time to get the packages together, so I never brought it to the list. IRC being the favoured place for random hot air and all. ;) > > If you don't bother reading the email I send you, it's really not my > > problem. > > Maybe it's time for you to guys to get over whatever you did to each > other? *shrug* I can only send email and attempt to use IRC to communicate; if that gets ignored, I really can't do anything. -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
(sorry if this message break the threads but i deleted the original one for a mistake) On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:29:32 -0500, Branden Robison wrote: > I've publicly asked for volunteers to manage releases to unstable now > that 4.3.0 is there. The time is even more ripe now that it's in > testing as well. > I hereby renew the call. I would like to give it a shot or two. TBH I am kinda searching some motivations to do more work in Debian and perhaps this is an opportunity. Fabio -- fajita: step one Whatever the problem, step one is always to look in the error log. fajita: step two When in danger or in doubt, step two is to scream and shout.
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 13:48, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:29:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > > freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with > > > a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this > > > will replace XFree86. > > > > Where is this work being done, and do you plan to use this mailing list > > to coordinate the effort? > > On Feb 10th, OFTC #debian-devel: > 23:44 DanielS changed the topic of #debian-devel to: DPL2004 > Nomination period now open - http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_001 | > Debconf4 registration open: http://www.debconf.org/debconf4/register | > please read http://people.d.o/~daniels/xlibs.html, feedback to DanielS > > That topic stayed on both OFTC and OPN for quite some time, [...] I look at the #debian-devel topic semi-regularly, but I din't see this. I also wonder why this work isn't discussed here? (After all, it's called the _X_ Strike Force, not XFree86 Strike Force...) Where is it discussed? > If you don't bother reading the email I send you, it's really not my > problem. Maybe it's time for you to guys to get over whatever you did to each other? *shrug* -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:29:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 08:46:06AM -0800, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 03:20:59PM +0200, Ond?ej Sur? wrote: > > > could you update your XSF page to include members of XSF? > > > (The question really is if Daniel Stone and you calmed down and are you > > > cooperating again :-) > > > > I'm very calm. I'll take anyone who cares out for a beer to explain. :) > > Right now, the only person who is allowed to upload XFree86, according > > to Branden's rules, is Branden himself. > > I've publicly asked for volunteers to manage releases to unstable now > that 4.3.0 is there. The time is even more ripe now that it's in > testing as well. > > I hereby renew the call. Sure - I'll do it. > > This will change. > > By what mechanism do you propose it do so? Simple. New X packages get uploaded and approved by the ftpmasters. New source packages, as you're no doubt aware, from having read my repeated proclamations on the fact. > > > And if you could put some semi-official statement on XSF page about next > > > development of X in Debian (freedesktop vs. Xorg vs. X(nolonger)free86) > > > it would propably save few questions on list... (Well it would be > > > interesting to see what will happen next even in normal state of things) > > > > freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with > > a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this > > will replace XFree86. > > Where is this work being done, and do you plan to use this mailing list > to coordinate the effort? On Feb 10th, OFTC #debian-devel: 23:44 DanielS changed the topic of #debian-devel to: DPL2004 Nomination period now open - http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_001 | Debconf4 registration open: http://www.debconf.org/debconf4/register | please read http://people.d.o/~daniels/xlibs.html, feedback to DanielS That topic stayed on both OFTC and OPN for quite some time, and I explicitly pointed that URL out to you in personal email. More recently, Jamey Sharp has been doing Debian packaging work within the freedesktop.org CVS tree. If you don't bother reading the email I send you, it's really not my problem. -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 08:46:06AM -0800, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 03:20:59PM +0200, Ond?ej Sur? wrote: > > could you update your XSF page to include members of XSF? > > (The question really is if Daniel Stone and you calmed down and are you > > cooperating again :-) > > I'm very calm. I'll take anyone who cares out for a beer to explain. :) > Right now, the only person who is allowed to upload XFree86, according > to Branden's rules, is Branden himself. I've publicly asked for volunteers to manage releases to unstable now that 4.3.0 is there. The time is even more ripe now that it's in testing as well. I hereby renew the call. > This will change. By what mechanism do you propose it do so? > > And if you could put some semi-official statement on XSF page about next > > development of X in Debian (freedesktop vs. Xorg vs. X(nolonger)free86) > > it would propably save few questions on list... (Well it would be > > interesting to see what will happen next even in normal state of things) > > freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with > a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this > will replace XFree86. Where is this work being done, and do you plan to use this mailing list to coordinate the effort? -- G. Branden Robinson| Intellectual property is neither Debian GNU/Linux | intellectual nor property. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Discuss. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Linda Richman signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 03:20:59PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hi Branden and all, > > could you update your XSF page to include members of XSF? What about the definition at: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml#whatis is lacking? Basically anyone who participates on this mailing list is a member of the team. The list of SVN committers is maintained in the COMMITTERS file in SVN. A copy of the file is exported every night at: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/ ...in addition to being available via SVN itself, of course. The list of people authorized to upload various packages maintained by the XSF is kept in the packages themselves, in debian/control. > (The question really is if Daniel Stone and you calmed down and are you > cooperating again :-) I'd rather leave that determination to you, as we both post publicly to this mailing list. > And if you could put some semi-official statement on XSF page about next > development of X in Debian (freedesktop vs. Xorg vs. X(nolonger)free86) > it would propably save few questions on list... (Well it would be > interesting to see what will happen next even in normal state of things) That is a good idea, and no one on this list seems to have objected to the approaches proposed by Daniel Stone and me. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to human stupidity Debian GNU/Linux | that which can be adequately [EMAIL PROTECTED] | explained by GNU Libtool. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Scott James Remnant signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
Around 8 o'clock on Mar 29, Daniel Stone wrote: > freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with > a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this > will replace XFree86. Note that this isn't just 'freedesktop.org' we're talking about here, it's the new-and-improved X.org Foundation's versions of these packages which I'm pushing towards a more modular structure. I plan on migrating bits of the upcoming X11R6.7 release into the modular tree and essentially abandoning the version in the monolithic tree -- making the default monolithic build not install bits which come from the modular environment. Everything remains ABI/API compatible, so we shouldn't affect existing packages at all, aside from the X packages having new names in some cases. -keith pgpLSZQ5SE1sn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X Strike Force - some infos missing
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 03:20:59PM +0200, Ond?ej Sur? wrote: > could you update your XSF page to include members of XSF? > (The question really is if Daniel Stone and you calmed down and are you > cooperating again :-) I'm very calm. I'll take anyone who cares out for a beer to explain. :) Right now, the only person who is allowed to upload XFree86, according to Branden's rules, is Branden himself. This will change. > And if you could put some semi-official statement on XSF page about next > development of X in Debian (freedesktop vs. Xorg vs. X(nolonger)free86) > it would propably save few questions on list... (Well it would be > interesting to see what will happen next even in normal state of things) freedesktop.org's xlibs/xserver/xapps will be uploaded after sarge, with a maintainer team of myself, Keith Packard, Jamey Sharp and others; this will replace XFree86. :) d -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
X Strike Force - some infos missing
Hi Branden and all, could you update your XSF page to include members of XSF? (The question really is if Daniel Stone and you calmed down and are you cooperating again :-) And if you could put some semi-official statement on XSF page about next development of X in Debian (freedesktop vs. Xorg vs. X(nolonger)free86) it would propably save few questions on list... (Well it would be interesting to see what will happen next even in normal state of things) O. -- Ondřej Surý <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
