Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 12:49:09AM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 11:52 +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:17:02PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > > X.org HEAD was switched to build dlloader by default a while ago, so > > > it'll be like that in 6.9/7.0. That said, I don't know if or how well > > > dlloader works on all the architectures, but I'd expect it to be more > > > portable than elfloader. > > > > It works on all of them, and far, far better than elfloader ever will. > > > > If your platform has a broken libdl, it has bigger problems than not > > being able to run Xorg from HEAD. > > I know, but that's only the runtime part. I figured there could still be > build-time issues on some architectures, but if not, all the better. :) Not that I'm aware of, no. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 11:52 +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:17:02PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > X.org HEAD was switched to build dlloader by default a while ago, so > > it'll be like that in 6.9/7.0. That said, I don't know if or how well > > dlloader works on all the architectures, but I'd expect it to be more > > portable than elfloader. > > It works on all of them, and far, far better than elfloader ever will. > > If your platform has a broken libdl, it has bigger problems than not > being able to run Xorg from HEAD. I know, but that's only the runtime part. I figured there could still be build-time issues on some architectures, but if not, all the better. :) -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 11:51:29AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 01:57:47PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > > Also, how much work would it take to move to dlloader wholesale? > > A reasonable amount, plus breaking all external drivers (Synaptics, ATI, > nVidia) until it gets sorted out. Ok, that confirms it. We'll just push ahead and try and get 6.9/7.0 packages ready as soon as we can. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:17:02PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > X.org HEAD was switched to build dlloader by default a while ago, so > it'll be like that in 6.9/7.0. That said, I don't know if or how well > dlloader works on all the architectures, but I'd expect it to be more > portable than elfloader. It works on all of them, and far, far better than elfloader ever will. If your platform has a broken libdl, it has bigger problems than not being able to run Xorg from HEAD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 01:57:47PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:00:07AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:02:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) > > > > It does not make sense to do this for one architecture only. > > > > I'd suggest that until we move to dlloader wholesale, alpha joins hppa, > > mips*, m68k, sh*, etc in using a static-only server. > > Are there any serious plans from upstream to move to dlloader after the > modularization effort is done? Freedesktop bug #400 isn't clear on that... dlloader has been the default in 6.9 for a few months now, and the modular tree has no idea how to build .o modules, only .so. > Also, how much work would it take to move to dlloader wholesale? A reasonable amount, plus breaking all external drivers (Synaptics, ATI, nVidia) until it gets sorted out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 05:42:06PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > > > > Ok, perhaps our best interests are served by getting 6.9/7.0 in to Debian > > as fast as possible once it's released. I'd rather spend energy on that > > than patching up 6.8 to make it a sorta-6.9. > > I agree. Maybe start by packaging the upcoming RC0 into experimental? :) I've sorta started doing this privately, although whether or not it'll go to experimental or just my own unofficial repo, I haven't decided. I've done very little on it (read: almost nothing) but I can put it in an svn branch if people are interested in starting in on it. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 15:35 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > > Ok, perhaps our best interests are served by getting 6.9/7.0 in to Debian > as fast as possible once it's released. I'd rather spend energy on that > than patching up 6.8 to make it a sorta-6.9. I agree. Maybe start by packaging the upcoming RC0 into experimental? :) -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:17:02PM -0400, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:57 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:00:07AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:02:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) > > > > > > It does not make sense to do this for one architecture only. > > > > > > I'd suggest that until we move to dlloader wholesale, alpha joins hppa, > > > mips*, m68k, sh*, etc in using a static-only server. > > > > Are there any serious plans from upstream to move to dlloader after the > > modularization effort is done? > > X.org HEAD was switched to build dlloader by default a while ago, so > it'll be like that in 6.9/7.0. That said, I don't know if or how well > dlloader works on all the architectures, but I'd expect it to be more > portable than elfloader. Ok, perhaps our best interests are served by getting 6.9/7.0 in to Debian as fast as possible once it's released. I'd rather spend energy on that than patching up 6.8 to make it a sorta-6.9. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:57 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:00:07AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:02:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) > > > > It does not make sense to do this for one architecture only. > > > > I'd suggest that until we move to dlloader wholesale, alpha joins hppa, > > mips*, m68k, sh*, etc in using a static-only server. > > Are there any serious plans from upstream to move to dlloader after the > modularization effort is done? X.org HEAD was switched to build dlloader by default a while ago, so it'll be like that in 6.9/7.0. That said, I don't know if or how well dlloader works on all the architectures, but I'd expect it to be more portable than elfloader. Regards from DDC/OLS, -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer Libre software enthusiast| http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:00:07AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:02:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) > > It does not make sense to do this for one architecture only. > > I'd suggest that until we move to dlloader wholesale, alpha joins hppa, > mips*, m68k, sh*, etc in using a static-only server. Are there any serious plans from upstream to move to dlloader after the modularization effort is done? Freedesktop bug #400 isn't clear on that... Also, how much work would it take to move to dlloader wholesale? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:02:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) It does not make sense to do this for one architecture only. I'd suggest that until we move to dlloader wholesale, alpha joins hppa, mips*, m68k, sh*, etc in using a static-only server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and the Matrox Millenium II
Followup: On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 01:49:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 11:29:31PM -0400, jacob wrote: > > Greetings all. > > Today with a day of mixed blessings. I was over-joyed to see X.org > > finally make into the Alpha/Sid. However, no amount of convolutions by > > myself was sufficient to cause it to work on my "Matrox Graphics, Inc. > > MGA 2164W [Millennium II]". > > Sadly, the settings with which the card worked under 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 > > seemed no longer acceptable to the X.org mga_drv. *sigh* > > After googling (as much as I was up to tonight), I added 'Load "xaa"' to > > get rid of the XAA* unresolved symbols. I tried not loading any modules. > > Nothing I did seemed to affect the xf86I2C* unresolved symbols, nor the > > type 28 Elf_Relocation error (google was strangely silent about this > > error). I was able to lock up the display, so it wouldn't change, > > regardless of input (although I was still able to switch to tty1, with a > > blank screen, and reboot). > I've just upgraded to xserver-xorg on my alpha in response to your mail. > The missing symbols are fixed by adding these two lines to xorg.conf: > Load"xaa" > Load"libi2c" > Sounds like a bug to me; I shouldn't have to manually load modules in order > to use a particular X driver... > The segfault, though, remains even after making this change. (The > Elf_RelocationEntry() errors do also, but I'm not certain those are a real > problem). Please file a bug report against the xserver-xorg package, so > that the X maintainers can take a look at this. Ok, in fact the ELF_RelocationEntry() errors *are* related: if I install xserver-xorg-dbg, which doesn't depend on X's bletcherous internal ELF object loader, there's no segfault at all; the server starts fine. So a workaround for you is to use xserver-xorg-dbg for right now, but the xserver-xorg package is more or less completely broken on alpha. XSF, can we switch to using dlloader on alpha? Pleese? :) -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
