Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 11:35:37AM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On 03.VI.2001 at 02:14 Drew Parsons wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > > > > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > > > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > > > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > > > > > > > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's > > where I got the problem. > > > > Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console > > where I run startx from, before X even starts? > > Set it to UTF-8 outside xterm. For example set it in some xterm, then > start in this xterm another xterm. The new xterm should be able to > accept Cyrillic. > > If you set LC_CTYPE in a xterm this affects only programs started in it, > but not the xterm itself. > Oh yeah, that makes sense. For simplicity I've put the settings into /etc/environment, so that's going to affect *everything* now ;) Thanks for the tip, I can get the cyrillic letters now in UTF-8. Next step is to get the editors cooperating... > > P.S. I apologize to Drew for a copy of this mail I send to him. heh ;) Thanks, Anton, Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 11:35:37AM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On 03.VI.2001 at 02:14 Drew Parsons wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > > > > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > > > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > > > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > > > > > > > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's > > where I got the problem. > > > > Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console > > where I run startx from, before X even starts? > > Set it to UTF-8 outside xterm. For example set it in some xterm, then > start in this xterm another xterm. The new xterm should be able to > accept Cyrillic. > > If you set LC_CTYPE in a xterm this affects only programs started in it, > but not the xterm itself. > Oh yeah, that makes sense. For simplicity I've put the settings into /etc/environment, so that's going to affect *everything* now ;) Thanks for the tip, I can get the cyrillic letters now in UTF-8. Next step is to get the editors cooperating... > > P.S. I apologize to Drew for a copy of this mail I send to him. heh ;) Thanks, Anton, Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On 03.VI.2001 at 02:14 Drew Parsons wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > > > > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's > where I got the problem. > > Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console > where I run startx from, before X even starts? Set it to UTF-8 outside xterm. For example set it in some xterm, then start in this xterm another xterm. The new xterm should be able to accept Cyrillic. If you set LC_CTYPE in a xterm this affects only programs started in it, but not the xterm itself. Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I apologize to Drew for a copy of this mail I send to him.
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On 03.VI.2001 at 02:14 Drew Parsons wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > > > > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's > where I got the problem. > > Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console > where I run startx from, before X even starts? Set it to UTF-8 outside xterm. For example set it in some xterm, then start in this xterm another xterm. The new xterm should be able to accept Cyrillic. If you set LC_CTYPE in a xterm this affects only programs started in it, but not the xterm itself. Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I apologize to Drew for a copy of this mail I send to him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's where I got the problem. Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console where I run startx from, before X even starts? Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 02:48:16PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. > > Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate > KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 > locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > No, I tried that. I set LC_CTYPE to UTF-8 inside the xterm, but that's where I got the problem. Do you mean I should set the locale somewhere else? Say, in the console where I run startx from, before X even starts? Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > But the last step is keyboard input. Now with UTF-8 set, it no longer > gives me cyrillic. Typing at the command line I see accented latin > characters. Because Unicode is the same as ISO 8859-1 in the interval 128-255 and the non-ASCII part in KOI8-R is (ofcource) in this interval. Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
On 27.V.2001 at 04:00 Drew Parsons wrote: > > [...] and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. Set it to ru_RU.UTF-8 or else the keyboard will continue to generate KOI8-R encoded Cyrillic. Or better just unset it. Your en_AU.UTF-8 locale should be able to handle Cyrillic. > But the last step is keyboard input. Now with UTF-8 set, it no longer > gives me cyrillic. Typing at the command line I see accented latin > characters. Because Unicode is the same as ISO 8859-1 in the interval 128-255 and the non-ASCII part in KOI8-R is (ofcource) in this interval. Anton Zinoviev, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
There's been a bit of discussion lately on the Debian mailing list indicating the worthwhileness of Unicode (encoding UTF-8). I've been trying to get it to work properly myself. Most of my non-english correspondence is with Russians, and Ilya Martenov helped me get properly configured for the 8-bit cyrillic encoding, koi8-r, by setting XkbLayout=ru in the InputDevice section of XF86Config-4, and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. That's been working fine. However, I've gotten sick of the odd European accented letter from someone from Western Europe on the mailing lists being rendered with a cyrillic glyph, which is of course what happens when you treat higher 8bit characters as Russian. So what I really want is to use UTF-8 by default (and I'd get a kick out of being able to see what the regular korean spam actually looks like, even though I can't read a word of it ;) ) I've got UTF-8 to display fine by adding UTF-8 to en_AU in /etc/locales.gen, and setting LANG=en_AU.UTF-8. When I run mutt, I can now see all the languages of the world: russian, french, german, korean, etc. in the various emails I've received. Nice. But the last step is keyboard input. With koi8-r, I had a spare button on the keyboard (the MS-Windows button) set to toggle between latin and cyrillic modes. Now with UTF-8 set, it no longer gives me cyrillic. Typing at the command line (this is using "xterm -u8 -fn -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1") I see accented latin characters. Typing here in vi in that same xterm I see "ÊÃÕËÅÎ", which looks partly correct inside vi (it says " ~J ~C ~U.." which is a latinised version of the correct cyrillic letters, but outside of vi the letters turn out to be translated to accented european letters. I guess vi isn't setup to use multibyte characters properly yet. jed (my favourite editor for mutt) doesn't even handle 8bit characters successfully at the moment (slang is broken or something). Anyway, I'd be happy if I could just see cyrillic letters at the command line (I know xterm is working: I can read UTF-8 files using less). Getting the editors to work properly is a another task again. So when I see the toggle button returning me latin letters, it tells me that XkbLayout=ru in the X config file is getting itself hard-coded to 8bit koi8-r, rather than adapting to the cyrillic portion of Unicode when a UTF-8 locale is specified (this happens even if I specify all LC_CTYPE and LANG = ru_RU.UTF-8, not just en_AU.UTF-8). So have I missed something? What does it take to get my keyboard to send unicode cyrillic characters when using a UTF-8 locale? Thanks, Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A
non-latin keyboard with unicode ?
There's been a bit of discussion lately on the Debian mailing list indicating the worthwhileness of Unicode (encoding UTF-8). I've been trying to get it to work properly myself. Most of my non-english correspondence is with Russians, and Ilya Martenov helped me get properly configured for the 8-bit cyrillic encoding, koi8-r, by setting XkbLayout=ru in the InputDevice section of XF86Config-4, and setting LC-CTYPE=ru_RU.KOI8-R. That's been working fine. However, I've gotten sick of the odd European accented letter from someone from Western Europe on the mailing lists being rendered with a cyrillic glyph, which is of course what happens when you treat higher 8bit characters as Russian. So what I really want is to use UTF-8 by default (and I'd get a kick out of being able to see what the regular korean spam actually looks like, even though I can't read a word of it ;) ) I've got UTF-8 to display fine by adding UTF-8 to en_AU in /etc/locales.gen, and setting LANG=en_AU.UTF-8. When I run mutt, I can now see all the languages of the world: russian, french, german, korean, etc. in the various emails I've received. Nice. But the last step is keyboard input. With koi8-r, I had a spare button on the keyboard (the MS-Windows button) set to toggle between latin and cyrillic modes. Now with UTF-8 set, it no longer gives me cyrillic. Typing at the command line (this is using "xterm -u8 -fn -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1") I see accented latin characters. Typing here in vi in that same xterm I see "ÊÃÕËÅÎ", which looks partly correct inside vi (it says " ~J ~C ~U.." which is a latinised version of the correct cyrillic letters, but outside of vi the letters turn out to be translated to accented european letters. I guess vi isn't setup to use multibyte characters properly yet. jed (my favourite editor for mutt) doesn't even handle 8bit characters successfully at the moment (slang is broken or something). Anyway, I'd be happy if I could just see cyrillic letters at the command line (I know xterm is working: I can read UTF-8 files using less). Getting the editors to work properly is a another task again. So when I see the toggle button returning me latin letters, it tells me that XkbLayout=ru in the X config file is getting itself hard-coded to 8bit koi8-r, rather than adapting to the cyrillic portion of Unicode when a UTF-8 locale is specified (this happens even if I specify all LC_CTYPE and LANG = ru_RU.UTF-8, not just en_AU.UTF-8). So have I missed something? What does it take to get my keyboard to send unicode cyrillic characters when using a UTF-8 locale? Thanks, Drew -- PGP public key available at http://dparsons.webjump.com/drewskey.txt Fingerprint: A110 EAE1 D7D2 8076 5FE0 EC0A B6CE 7041 6412 4E4A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
