[Declude.JunkMail] trivial question

2004-06-11 Thread serge
but  i had a tough week, so bare with me

if a mail matches different lines in a filter, it will get the total weight
of all matched lines, or the first matced line weight ?

TIA

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] trivial question

2004-06-11 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I believe it will get a total of the matched lines.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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> 
> but  i had a tough week, so bare with me
> 
> if a mail matches different lines in a filter, it will get the total
weight
> of all matched lines, or the first matced line weight ?
> 
> TIA
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] trivial question

2004-06-11 Thread Kevin Bilbee
All the lines.


Kevin Bilbee

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> 
> but  i had a tough week, so bare with me
> 
> if a mail matches different lines in a filter, it will get the 
> total weight
> of all matched lines, or the first matced line weight ?
> 
> TIA
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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist that in addres book

2004-06-11 Thread Mike Wiegers
Starting to get some spoofed from email address and these addresses are in
the users address book. Because they are in the address book they are
whitelisted therefore delivered. So far the spoofed from email address used
are from the same domain. Is they anyway around this problem?

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Darin Cox
Nope.  That covers it.

Darin.


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From: "Goran Jovanovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore


Tom,


Is there more in the registry than under

HKLM\Software\Ipswitch\.



 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe



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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
>
> When you export the imail registry hive
> Look at the resulting file...
> If there are hard references to C:
> Then run a search/replace all to update to D
>
> If you use SQL for user databases then you'll have to write a small
sql
> script to update the mailbox path's for every mailbox. The physcal
path
> is stored in each row.
>
> Other than that, its exactly what I've done many times.
>
>
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran
Jovanovic
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is going to work
>
> I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D
> drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.
>
> I figure the way to do this is
>
> Old Server
>
> Stop all IMail services
> Backup IMail and all directories
>
> Make new server
> Install IMail on new server D Drive
> Patch it to same level
> Restore the IMail directories to D Drive Check all drive references
> Start Services
>
>
> This should move all the mail and users etc etc
>
> Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.
>
> Will this work?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>  Goran Jovanovic
>  The LAN Shoppe
>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
That's all that you need
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

Tom,


Is there more in the registry than under

HKLM\Software\Ipswitch\.


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
> 
> When you export the imail registry hive Look at the resulting file...
> If there are hard references to C:
> Then run a search/replace all to update to D
> 
> If you use SQL for user databases then you'll have to write a small
sql
> script to update the mailbox path's for every mailbox. The physcal
path
> is stored in each row.
> 
> Other than that, its exactly what I've done many times.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran
Jovanovic
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is going to work
> 
> I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D

> drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.
> 
> I figure the way to do this is
> 
> Old Server
> 
> Stop all IMail services
> Backup IMail and all directories
> 
> Make new server
> Install IMail on new server D Drive
> Patch it to same level
> Restore the IMail directories to D Drive Check all drive references 
> Start Services
> 
> 
> This should move all the mail and users etc etc
> 
> Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.
> 
> Will this work?
> 
> Thanx
> 
> 
> 
>  Goran Jovanovic
>  The LAN Shoppe
> 
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[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Dedicated web hosting

2004-06-11 Thread Kevin Bilbee
We are looking for a good dedicated web hosting company in France that
speaks English.

Any good recommendations out there?


Kevin Bilbee


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Tom,


Is there more in the registry than under

HKLM\Software\Ipswitch\.


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
> 
> When you export the imail registry hive
> Look at the resulting file...
> If there are hard references to C:
> Then run a search/replace all to update to D
> 
> If you use SQL for user databases then you'll have to write a small
sql
> script to update the mailbox path's for every mailbox. The physcal
path
> is stored in each row.
> 
> Other than that, its exactly what I've done many times.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran
Jovanovic
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is going to work
> 
> I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D
> drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.
> 
> I figure the way to do this is
> 
> Old Server
> 
> Stop all IMail services
> Backup IMail and all directories
> 
> Make new server
> Install IMail on new server D Drive
> Patch it to same level
> Restore the IMail directories to D Drive Check all drive references
> Start Services
> 
> 
> This should move all the mail and users etc etc
> 
> Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.
> 
> Will this work?
> 
> Thanx
> 
> 
> 
>  Goran Jovanovic
>  The LAN Shoppe
> 
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[Declude.JunkMail] WHITELIST TO somebody@myserver.com

2004-06-11 Thread Jay Calvert
If I use this option will it whitelist all incoming to a particular user or
is this for outgoing mail only?



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Test Idea

2004-06-11 Thread Rick Davidson
I downloaded the surbl code but have not implemented it yet cause of all the
monkey business associated with it, I am working on getting it going

thanks for that batch file!

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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From: "Scott Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Test Idea


This was kind of suggested when the SURBL came out.
Do you use the SURBL code.

I don't know if anyone is interested but I've got a batch file that goes
through last month's logs (it works on log level high) and pulls out all
matches for a Body URL filter. It can help trim the deadwood.
I've attached it renamed as a .txt file.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/04 01:12PM >>>
Would it be possible for declude to do DNS lookups on the urls in the body
of the email message and then run the IP address against an ipfile or a
filter file using remoteip? This would defeat the registering of tons of
domains that alot of times point back to the same web server. It is easy to
find the netblocks that the large discount web hosting companies use so
using the remoteip 0 cidr could be used better in the weighting system. For
example:

Servpath out of San Francisco has these netblocks, alot of legit (i hate
using that term here) email marketing spam comes from these netblocks (so
much that I block them out right because my users arent allowed to use their
email for non business purposes) but for the sake of this example weight
could be added to a message if  a URL in the body translated to an IP in
these ranges.

remoteip 10 cidr 64.151.64.0/19
remoteip 10 cidr 69.59.128.0/18

It seems to me that it could be pretty effective, have it run with the DNS
tests and before the filters so it could be used in testsfailed end lines

My list of URLs is getting huge and I am sure alot of them are obsolete now.

What do you think? Doable?

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Test Idea

2004-06-11 Thread Scott Fisher
This was kind of suggested when the SURBL came out.
Do you use the SURBL code.

I don't know if anyone is interested but I've got a batch file that goes through last 
month's logs (it works on log level high) and pulls out all matches for a Body URL 
filter. It can help trim the deadwood.
I've attached it renamed as a .txt file.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/04 01:12PM >>>
Would it be possible for declude to do DNS lookups on the urls in the body
of the email message and then run the IP address against an ipfile or a
filter file using remoteip? This would defeat the registering of tons of
domains that alot of times point back to the same web server. It is easy to
find the netblocks that the large discount web hosting companies use so
using the remoteip 0 cidr could be used better in the weighting system. For
example:

Servpath out of San Francisco has these netblocks, alot of legit (i hate
using that term here) email marketing spam comes from these netblocks (so
much that I block them out right because my users arent allowed to use their
email for non business purposes) but for the sake of this example weight
could be added to a message if  a URL in the body translated to an IP in
these ranges.

remoteip 10 cidr 64.151.64.0/19
remoteip 10 cidr 69.59.128.0/18

It seems to me that it could be pretty effective, have it run with the DNS
tests and before the filters so it could be used in testsfailed end lines

My list of URLs is getting huge and I am sure alot of them are obsolete now.

What do you think? Doable?

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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@echo off
rem
rem Credit for portions of this code go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rem
rem These settings must be done (SETTINGS section below) before the script is used:
rem v_path: path to this folder
rem v_logpath: path to the logs
rem v_maxweight: filter max weight (blank or 0 if no max weight should be used)
rem  and filter entry weight (defaults to 0 if blank)
rem v_skipweight: filter skip weight (blank or 0 if filter never should be skipped)
rem v_filter: name of the Declude Filter as it appears in the log

set v_maxweight=80
set v_skipweight=240
set v_path=d:\imail\declude\fpfilters
set v_logpath=d:\logs\junkmail
set v_filter=BODYURL-KEYWORDS

rem --- Check settings and change current folder (or exit if path is incorrect): ---
set v_result=ok
if "%v_maxweight%"=="" set v_maxweight=0
if "%v_skipweight%"=="" set v_skipweight=0
if not exist %v_path%\nul (set v_result=path error) & (goto :s_end)
if not exist %v_logpath%\nul (set v_result=log path error) & (goto :s_end)
cd /d %v_path%

Rem --- Get the date for the Log
for /f "tokens=*" %%a in ('date /t') do set v_time=%%a
for /f "tokens=*" %%b in ('time /t') do set v_time=%v_time% %%b

Rem --- Get the previous month
for /f "tokens=1-2 delims=/ " %%a in ('date /t') do set v_Current_month=%%b
if "%V_current_month%"=="01" set v_Previous_month=12
if "%V_current_month%"=="02" set v_Previous_month=01
if "%V_current_month%"=="03" set v_Previous_month=02
if "%V_current_month%"=="04" set v_Previous_month=03
if "%V_current_month%"=="05" set v_Previous_month=04
if "%V_current_month%"=="06" set v_Previous_month=05
if "%V_current_month%"=="07" set v_Previous_month=06
if "%V_current_month%"=="08" set v_Previous_month=07
if "%V_current_month%"=="09" set v_Previous_month=08
if "%V_current_month%"=="10" set v_Previous_month=09
if "%V_current_month%"=="11" set v_Previous_month=10
if "%V_current_month%"=="12" set v_Previous_month=11

Rem --- Extract loglines containing Triggered Contains Filter (filter name)
if exist bodyurl.loglines.txt erase bodyurl.loglines.txt

Rem 
Rem   Previous Month's logs in the folder code
Rem
findstr /i Triggered.CONTAINS.Filter.%v_filter% %v_logpath%\dec%v_Previous_month%*.log 
> bodyurl.loglines.txt

Rem 
Rem   All logs in the folder code
Rem
Rem findstr /i Triggered.CONTAINS.Filter.%v_filter% %v_logpath%\dec*.log > 
bodyurl.loglines.txt

Rem --- Extract domain names from filter file
if exist bodyurl.domains.txt  erase bodyurl.domains.txt
for /f "tokens=9 " %%i in ('findstr /i /r /V "FILTER-BYPASS" bodyurl.loglines.txt') do 
echo %%i>> bodyurl.domains.txt

rem --- Sort the domain file
if exist bodyurl.sorted.txt erase bodyurl.sorted.txt
sort bodyurl.domains.txt /o bodyurl.sorted.txt

rem --- Dedup sorted file
if exist bodyurl.dedup.txt erase bodyurl.dedup.txt
setlocal
set infile=bodyurl.sorted.txt
set outfile=bodyurl.dedup.txt
type nul > %outfile%
for /f "tokens=1* delims=:" %%a in (
  'type %infile%
  ^| sort
  ^| findstr /n /v /c:"CoLoRlEsS gReEn IdEaS"'
) do call :dedup %%a "%%b"
endlocal
goto :Makefilter

:de

[Declude.JunkMail] New Test Idea

2004-06-11 Thread Rick Davidson
Would it be possible for declude to do DNS lookups on the urls in the body
of the email message and then run the IP address against an ipfile or a
filter file using remoteip? This would defeat the registering of tons of
domains that alot of times point back to the same web server. It is easy to
find the netblocks that the large discount web hosting companies use so
using the remoteip 0 cidr could be used better in the weighting system. For
example:

Servpath out of San Francisco has these netblocks, alot of legit (i hate
using that term here) email marketing spam comes from these netblocks (so
much that I block them out right because my users arent allowed to use their
email for non business purposes) but for the sake of this example weight
could be added to a message if  a URL in the body translated to an IP in
these ranges.

remoteip 10 cidr 64.151.64.0/19
remoteip 10 cidr 69.59.128.0/18

It seems to me that it could be pretty effective, have it run with the DNS
tests and before the filters so it could be used in testsfailed end lines

My list of URLs is getting huge and I am sure alot of them are obsolete now.

What do you think? Doable?

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Kevin Bilbee
looks to me that the spammer is just using a dictionary of user names and
sending to them by appending on the domain name in the hopes that they may
get a hit on another mailbox.


Kevin Bilbee




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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of declude
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's
>
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> I know what you mean, just like the list below
>
> I have a customer, nst.ie, and this is what is happening to them.
>
> Kevin
>
>
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> -- Original Message --
> From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:06:41 +0200
>
> >
> >> We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are
> >> NDR's with our domain name, but with a randomly generated
> >> username.  We found that although our mail server is more
> >> then capable of handling the volume, it was creating a lot of
> >> lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered
> >> with the dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest
> >> craze, spamming with legit domain names attached to a random username.
> >
> >Thats not the current problem.
> >The problem are NDR's send back to real existing email addresses
> because the
> >original message has had only one (or a few) valid recipient
> addresses but a
> >lot of random generated name parts of the email address. (in sober.g case
> >this are one valid recipient and 39 usualy inexistant, random generated
> >addresses)
> >
> >Your gateway would filter out this type of NDRs
> >
> >Markus
> >
> >
> >
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[Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread geneh
What log file are you looking at to see these NDR's?

I don't think I'm having this problem yet, but I want to make sure.

Thanks

Gene 





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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] COMBO-Filter solution for todays german polite emails

2004-06-11 Thread Rick Davidson
Hi Markus!
Getting your messages now, for me the solution was as simple as allowing
email through with [declude in the subject, I don't like blocking by IP
unless its a "legit" email marketing company who doesn't change IP addresses
and with the nifty new remoteip 0 cidr filtering capability its easy to
bypass the ip blocking.

Odd thing is I was nailing some of your email with interbusiness.it and I
don't see that anywhere in the headers of your current messages

I do punish dot info and dot biz quite severely with weight, aside from your
dot info domain the other 799,999 are suspect to me :-)

your English is great its alot better than quite a few groups of people here
in the US

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
440-953-9346 - Office
440-953-0925 - Fax
440-487-7344 - Mobile
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gufler Markus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] COMBO-Filter solution for todays german
polite emails


>
> Hopefully it's not because my email-address is an info domain. Over 2
years ago (march 2002) there was registered already over 80 info domains
around the world. As I know on the IPSwitch website you can't subscribe to
the newsletter because ".info is not a valid top level domain"
> Looks like internet is old enough now to have also some conservative
people inside  ;-)
>
> I assume that most of my messages will be filtered because the dynamic IP
addresses of our DSL-connection is listed in more or less IP-Blacklists.
This not because we're an open relay but because this are dynamic IP's and
the entire class B range seems to be blacklisted (at least temporary).
> I can understand that most people in oversea can see more spam then legit
messages comming from this IPs. And I can understand if someone decides to
punish them.
> We also assign a small weight to any message comming from the USA because
from the 26% of all messages comming from the USA only 3% are legit
messages.
> This should not be a punishment for a country, but it's simple mathematic
logic to improve our spam filters detection rate.
>
>
> Maybe you can see this message only because I send them - for this time -
trough the webmail interface and so from a "clean" IP address.
>
> What I would suggest is that anyone reading messages in this list should
try to whitelist declude list messages.
> There are several cases that declude list messages "contains" suspicious
content: spam examples, filter definitions, or simple help request from an
admin that has an IP blacklisted mailserver.
>
> If you don't whitelist declude list messages very probably you're missing
some important information.
>
> As I can understand, the best way to whitelist declude messages is to
whitelist the IP of the declude list server:
>
> Simply put
>
> WHITELIST  IP  68.162.218.198
>
> in your global.cfg line.
>
> Hope this helps, and you can understand my "english"
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from AOL

2004-06-11 Thread Darin Cox
Title: Message



I don't have a script to give you as we 
haven't enforced this yet, this is just a way that you could do 
it.  You would add a _javascript_ validation routine to the page 
(attached to the form action) to parse the text field and present an error if 
the email address ends in @aol.com, otherwise submit the form.
Darin.
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from 
AOL


How would you change 
the _javascript_?
 

John 
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You
 

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2004 
9:15 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? 
- Complaints from AOL
 

Change it once 
(either manually or by script) and also change the webmail interface to use 
_javascript_ to not allow @aol.com addresses in alias or account 
forwards.

Darin.

 

 

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Message - 

From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) 


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


Sent: 
Thursday, June 
10, 2004 
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Subject: RE: 
[Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from 
AOL

 
Is there a good 
and/or proper and/or easy and/or acceptable way to allow forwarding to other 
than AOL without having to go to each users configuration and remove the 
forwarding to AOL, of which would be worthless as the use would just go back in 
and change it back?
 

John 
Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For 
You
 


  
  
   


RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread declude
Hi Markus,

I know what you mean, just like the list below

I have a customer, nst.ie, and this is what is happening to them.

Kevin


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-- Original Message --
From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:06:41 +0200

>
>> We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are 
>> NDR's with our domain name, but with a randomly generated 
>> username.  We found that although our mail server is more 
>> then capable of handling the volume, it was creating a lot of 
>> lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered 
>> with the dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest 
>> craze, spamming with legit domain names attached to a random username.
>
>Thats not the current problem.
>The problem are NDR's send back to real existing email addresses because the
>original message has had only one (or a few) valid recipient addresses but a
>lot of random generated name parts of the email address. (in sober.g case
>this are one valid recipient and 39 usualy inexistant, random generated
>addresses)
>
>Your gateway would filter out this type of NDRs
>
>Markus
>
>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from AOL

2004-06-11 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Title: Message









How would you change the _javascript_?

 



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Engineer/Consultant/Owner

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-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004
9:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail]
Off Topic? - Complaints from AOL

 



Change it once (either manually or
by script) and also change the webmail interface to use _javascript_ to not allow
@aol.com addresses in alias or account forwards.






Darin.





 





 





- Original Message - 



From: John
Tolmachoff (Lists) 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Thursday, June 10,
 2004 1:08 PM





Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from AOL







 



Is there a good and/or proper and/or
easy and/or acceptable way to allow forwarding to other than AOL without having
to go to each users configuration and remove the forwarding to AOL, of which
would be worthless as the use would just go back in and change it back?

 



John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You



 









 


















Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklist one Country for one Domain

2004-06-11 Thread Rick Davidson
heh i learned the hard way with specialist as well

dont forget that declude will honor the space at the end of a filtering
string, .cz should have been used... learned the hard  way on that to
:-)

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklist one Country for one Domain


> > agreed about the body but chances are that and end user is going to
> > base their filtering request on what they see in the body and in the
> > case of .cz the chances of something matching that other than an email
> > address or url are slim
>
> This is concerning order number 213.97.czae.42
> Daddy, i learnedto typetheis toy.czyou today
> Dear Client -  We have blocked everything with a country domain of
> .cz
>
> You never can tell what will happen.  I didn't realize that the popular
> male drug name was in the word speCIALISt until we advertised a
> Security Specialist position.  :)
>
> Jeff
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from AOL

2004-06-11 Thread Darin Cox
Title: Message



Change it once (either manually or by script) and 
also change the webmail interface to use _javascript_ to not allow @aol.com 
addresses in alias or account forwards.
Darin.
 
 
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From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Off Topic? - Complaints from 
AOL


Is there a good 
and/or proper and/or easy and/or acceptable way to allow forwarding to other 
than AOL without having to go to each users configuration and remove the 
forwarding to AOL, of which would be worthless as the use would just go back in 
and change it back?
 

John 
Tolmachoff
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eServices For 
You
 


  
  
   


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Mike Hyslip
When you make a backup of Imail's user/domain settings, it might keep the
original drive paths so check it's reg file that is created in case you need
to do a find/replace

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

Hi,

I think this is going to work

I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D
drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.

I figure the way to do this is

Old Server

Stop all IMail services
Backup IMail and all directories

Make new server
Install IMail on new server D Drive
Patch it to same level
Restore the IMail directories to D Drive
Check all drive references
Start Services


This should move all the mail and users etc etc

Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.

Will this work?

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc
When you export the imail registry hive
Look at the resulting file...
If there are hard references to C:
Then run a search/replace all to update to D

If you use SQL for user databases then you'll have to write a small sql
script to update the mailbox path's for every mailbox. The physcal path
is stored in each row.

Other than that, its exactly what I've done many times.

 

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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:01 AM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

Hi,

I think this is going to work

I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D
drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.

I figure the way to do this is

Old Server

Stop all IMail services
Backup IMail and all directories

Make new server
Install IMail on new server D Drive
Patch it to same level
Restore the IMail directories to D Drive Check all drive references
Start Services


This should move all the mail and users etc etc

Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.

Will this work?

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Markus Gufler

> We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are 
> NDR's with our domain name, but with a randomly generated 
> username.  We found that although our mail server is more 
> then capable of handling the volume, it was creating a lot of 
> lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered 
> with the dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest 
> craze, spamming with legit domain names attached to a random username.

Thats not the current problem.
The problem are NDR's send back to real existing email addresses because the
original message has had only one (or a few) valid recipient addresses but a
lot of random generated name parts of the email address. (in sober.g case
this are one valid recipient and 39 usualy inexistant, random generated
addresses)

Your gateway would filter out this type of NDRs

Markus



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[Declude.JunkMail] OT IMail Backup/Restore

2004-06-11 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi,

I think this is going to work

I need to backup IMail from the C Drive, reformat the server, create D
drive and then put IMail back on D Drive.

I figure the way to do this is

Old Server

Stop all IMail services
Backup IMail and all directories

Make new server
Install IMail on new server D Drive
Patch it to same level
Restore the IMail directories to D Drive
Check all drive references
Start Services


This should move all the mail and users etc etc

Obviously fix all the Declude filter paths etc.

Will this work?

Thanx


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] American Specialties, Atlantic Continuum, etc.

2004-06-11 Thread Rick Davidson
Why not just create a filter file that searches for those specific strings
you listed and use the delete action on them. Trying to gather IPs on those
types of spam runs is futile, they are probly using spam zombies and there
are probly 100s of thousands of those out there. You can even use Imail
message rules to search those strings. You still have to recieve the mail
but you can decisively delete it or hold it.

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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- Original Message - 
From: "John Moore (by way of "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] American Specialties, Atlantic Continuum, etc.


>
>
>
> We keep getting swamped with mail from:
>
> American Specialties
>
> First Advanced
>
> Altantic Continuum
>
> Pacific Alternative
>
> Gamma Coalition
>
> Alliance Advanced
>
> American Loan Gateway
>
> Crown Specialists
>
> Crown Aggregate
>
> United Coalition
>
> Commonwealth Commercial
>
> and so on all from the same source per that mail period.
>
> Lots of emails with each mailing&&..
>
>
>
> These are the only Declude tests (that we have setup) that they fail
>
> X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SBL, CATCHALLMAILS [7]
>
> We ve been adding the IP s to our kill file (Imail 7.x) but of course they
> change with every mailing.
>
> Anybody have success in staying ahead of these varmints?
>
> TIA,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Jeff Maze
Great.. Thanks.. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

I'm working on creating one, a version of what we have, it's started at
http://www.kendra.com/Support/PerUser_Gateway/index.htm, I'm trying to
finish it today.

Rich


- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's


> Was there a HOWTO you found online to do this?  Wouldn't mind attempting
> this when I get a chance..
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's
>
> We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are NDR's with our
> domain name, but with a randomly generated username.  We found that
although
> our mail server is more then capable of handling the volume, it was
creating
> a lot of lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered with
the
> dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest craze, spamming with
> legit domain names attached to a random username.
>
> So what we did was to set up two BSD/Postfix boxes that filter based on a
> list of our valid users which we update as needed.  The incoming NDR's are
> then trashed at the BSD/Postfix level and Imail and Declude don't have to
> deal with them.  This is kind of like Len Conrads Imgate, but it only
checks
> for a valid username before relaying the email into the Imail box.
>
> Rich
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "declude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:05 AM
> Subject: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's
>
>
> > Markus
> >
> > We are seeing 1 in 10 email's which are NDR's and are nothing to do with
> the german-politic spam messages.
> >
> > Look's like we have a new problem, which is growing quickly.
> >
> > Scott I hope you can help on this one or anyone else...
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:55 +0200
> >
> > >
> > >> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with
> > >> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
> > >>
> > >> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.
> > >
> > >Yipiieee  :-)
> > >I'm not the only one having this problem.
> > >
> > >As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged
but
> > >real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
> > >combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
> > >sober.g zombies)
> > >
> > >Markus
> > >
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Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Rich
I'm working on creating one, a version of what we have, it's started at
http://www.kendra.com/Support/PerUser_Gateway/index.htm, I'm trying to
finish it today.

Rich


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's


> Was there a HOWTO you found online to do this?  Wouldn't mind attempting
> this when I get a chance..
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's
>
> We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are NDR's with our
> domain name, but with a randomly generated username.  We found that
although
> our mail server is more then capable of handling the volume, it was
creating
> a lot of lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered with
the
> dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest craze, spamming with
> legit domain names attached to a random username.
>
> So what we did was to set up two BSD/Postfix boxes that filter based on a
> list of our valid users which we update as needed.  The incoming NDR's are
> then trashed at the BSD/Postfix level and Imail and Declude don't have to
> deal with them.  This is kind of like Len Conrads Imgate, but it only
checks
> for a valid username before relaying the email into the Imail box.
>
> Rich
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "declude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:05 AM
> Subject: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's
>
>
> > Markus
> >
> > We are seeing 1 in 10 email's which are NDR's and are nothing to do with
> the german-politic spam messages.
> >
> > Look's like we have a new problem, which is growing quickly.
> >
> > Scott I hope you can help on this one or anyone else...
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:55 +0200
> >
> > >
> > >> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with
> > >> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
> > >>
> > >> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.
> > >
> > >Yipiieee  :-)
> > >I'm not the only one having this problem.
> > >
> > >As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged
but
> > >real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
> > >combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
> > >sober.g zombies)
> > >
> > >Markus
> > >
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> >
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RE: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Jeff Maze
Was there a HOWTO you found online to do this?  Wouldn't mind attempting
this when I get a chance..
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are NDR's with our
domain name, but with a randomly generated username.  We found that although
our mail server is more then capable of handling the volume, it was creating
a lot of lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered with the
dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest craze, spamming with
legit domain names attached to a random username.

So what we did was to set up two BSD/Postfix boxes that filter based on a
list of our valid users which we update as needed.  The incoming NDR's are
then trashed at the BSD/Postfix level and Imail and Declude don't have to
deal with them.  This is kind of like Len Conrads Imgate, but it only checks
for a valid username before relaying the email into the Imail box.

Rich


- Original Message -
From: "declude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's


> Markus
>
> We are seeing 1 in 10 email's which are NDR's and are nothing to do with
the german-politic spam messages.
>
> Look's like we have a new problem, which is growing quickly.
>
> Scott I hope you can help on this one or anyone else...
>
> Kevin
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:55 +0200
>
> >
> >> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with
> >> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
> >>
> >> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.
> >
> >Yipiieee  :-)
> >I'm not the only one having this problem.
> >
> >As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged but
> >real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
> >combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
> >sober.g zombies)
> >
> >Markus
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Rich
We've been getting upwards of 30k messages a day which are NDR's with our
domain name, but with a randomly generated username.  We found that although
our mail server is more then capable of handling the volume, it was creating
a lot of lag with POP3 accounts when the server was being hammered with the
dang things.  Seems this is getting to be the latest craze, spamming with
legit domain names attached to a random username.

So what we did was to set up two BSD/Postfix boxes that filter based on a
list of our valid users which we update as needed.  The incoming NDR's are
then trashed at the BSD/Postfix level and Imail and Declude don't have to
deal with them.  This is kind of like Len Conrads Imgate, but it only checks
for a valid username before relaying the email into the Imail box.

Rich


- Original Message - 
From: "declude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: Possible Spam: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's


> Markus
>
> We are seeing 1 in 10 email's which are NDR's and are nothing to do with
the german-politic spam messages.
>
> Look's like we have a new problem, which is growing quickly.
>
> Scott I hope you can help on this one or anyone else...
>
> Kevin
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:49:55 +0200
>
> >
> >> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with
> >> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
> >>
> >> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.
> >
> >Yipiieee  :-)
> >I'm not the only one having this problem.
> >
> >As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged but
> >real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
> >combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
> >sober.g zombies)
> >
> >Markus
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklist one Country for one Domain

2004-06-11 Thread jeff
> agreed about the body but chances are that and end user is going to
> base their filtering request on what they see in the body and in the
> case of .cz the chances of something matching that other than an email
> address or url are slim

This is concerning order number 213.97.czae.42
Daddy, i learnedto typetheis toy.czyou today
Dear Client -  We have blocked everything with a country domain of 
.cz

You never can tell what will happen.  I didn't realize that the popular 
male drug name was in the word speCIALISt until we advertised a 
Security Specialist position.  :)

Jeff
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[Declude.JunkMail] American Specialties, Atlantic Continuum, etc.

2004-06-11 Thread John Moore

We keep getting swamped with mail from:
American Specialties
First Advanced
Altantic Continuum
Pacific Alternative
Gamma Coalition
Alliance Advanced
American Loan Gateway
Crown Specialists
Crown Aggregate
United Coalition
Commonwealth Commercial
and so on all from the same source per that mail period.
Lots of emails with each mailing&&..

These are the only Declude tests (that we have setup) that they fail
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SBL, CATCHALLMAILS [7]
We ve been adding the IP s to our kill file (Imail 7.x) but of course they 
change with every mailing.

Anybody have success in staying ahead of these varmints?
TIA,
John


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread Markus Gufler

> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with 
> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
> 
> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.

Yipiieee  :-)
I'm not the only one having this problem.

As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged but
real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
sober.g zombies)

Markus


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread declude
Markus

We are seeing 1 in 10 email's which are NDR's and are nothing to do with the 
german-politic spam messages.

Look's like we have a new problem, which is growing quickly.

Scott I hope you can help on this one or anyone else...

Kevin


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>
>> We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with 
>> a spoofed user name, but a correct domain name.
>> 
>> What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.
>
>Yipiieee  :-)
>I'm not the only one having this problem.
>
>As I can see this are NDR's from current spam messages having forged but
>real existing mailfrom addresses and a lot of random recipient names in
>combination with valid domains. (german-politic spam messages send from
>sober.g zombies)
>
>Markus
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[Declude.JunkMail] NDR's

2004-06-11 Thread declude
Hi,

We are seeing a lot of NDR's coming from ligit servers, with a spoofed user name, but 
a correct domain name.

What would be the best way to deal with this ever growing problem.

Regard's,

Kevin

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[Declude.JunkMail] how to filter NDR's from forged mailfrom addresses in spam mails in the future?

2004-06-11 Thread Markus Gufler



usually spam 
messages doesn't contain forged mailfrom addresses. But theoretically it's 
possible. Specially spam comming from compromised zombie computers can 
easily have real existing, forged mailfrom addresses.
 
The german politic 
spam messages from yesterday are comming from such zombies (sober.g infected 
computers) and does have forged mailfrom addresses. And finally the spam message 
usually contains one real and o dozen of random generated recipient 
addresses.
 
So beside the wave 
of spam messages now we have to fight against a big wave of useless 
NDR's
 
As I can see NDR's 
are difficult to handle, because they come from legit mailservers, the mail 
header has nothing to do with the original mail header (beside the 
same message id ?) and not even they contain the original message content in the 
body. Some MTA's attach the original message, some others include only the 
original headers.
 
In my opinion it 
would be a good solution to think about a new test that is able to identify 

-original 
mailheaders in the body of the NDR
-eventually also 
part of the original but maybe truncated original body below this 
header
-attachments of the 
original message in the NDR
 
If there is any of 
this content or attachment in the NDR, let run all other spamtest (IP4R, 
text-filter, external tests, ...) 
 
 
or are there other 
(simplier) solutions for this?
 
Markus