[Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler
A customer is asking us if we can keep a copy of each incomming and outgoing
message for his mailboxes on our server.

I have no problem to set up declude.junkmail rules/actions so that incomming
messages are copied to a separate mailbox. But we use also WHITELIST AUTH
and so I can't find a solution to copy also outgoing messages.

Is there something I can do in declude junkmail?
Maybe with Imail rules?

Markus



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Why not use the Imail copyall function?

John Tolmachoff
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 A customer is asking us if we can keep a copy of each incomming and
outgoing
 message for his mailboxes on our server.
 
 I have no problem to set up declude.junkmail rules/actions so that
incomming
 messages are copied to a separate mailbox. But we use also WHITELIST AUTH
 and so I can't find a solution to copy also outgoing messages.
 
 Is there something I can do in declude junkmail?
 Maybe with Imail rules?
 
 Markus
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler
 Why not use the Imail copyall function?

Thanks but I believe this will not work on a server hosting hundreds of
virtual domains and thousands of mailboxes if only one virtual domain should
be backed up.

At the moment I'm looking to find a solution with imail rules. (never used
them up to now :-)

Markus



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[Declude.JunkMail] Decoded subject lines in logfile

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler
As I know declude.junkmail is able to decode base64 or quoted-printable
subject lines.
Would it be possible to write this decoded lines in the logfile?

Markus


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Jeff Pereira
You should be able to use Imail's copyall function in conjunction with Imail
rules
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  Why not use the Imail copyall function?

 Thanks but I believe this will not work on a server hosting hundreds of
 virtual domains and thousands of mailboxes if only one virtual domain
should
 be backed up.

 At the moment I'm looking to find a solution with imail rules. (never used
 them up to now :-)

 Markus



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler

 You should be able to use Imail's copyall function in 
 conjunction with Imail rules

At the moment I'm watching how the solution will work.

As virtual hosts in Imail can't have outbound rules I've set a rule for the
only primary host looking if the mailfrom adress contains the customers
domain name. If yes the message should by copied also to a local mailbox.
The inbound rule is set for the customers virtual host only.

Two test-messages I've send was delivered and also stored in the mailbox.
Now I'm looking if it will work also with real messages from/to the
customer.

Markus



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Jeff Pereira
I thinh you may be able to just set up a rule to look in the header
for the virtual domain you are looking for -- I think this will get
moth incoming and outgoing

jp

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:44:19 +0200, Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  You should be able to use Imail's copyall function in
  conjunction with Imail rules
 
 At the moment I'm watching how the solution will work.
 
 As virtual hosts in Imail can't have outbound rules I've set a rule for the
 only primary host looking if the mailfrom adress contains the customers
 domain name. If yes the message should by copied also to a local mailbox.
 The inbound rule is set for the customers virtual host only.
 
 Two test-messages I've send was delivered and also stored in the mailbox.
 Now I'm looking if it will work also with real messages from/to the
 customer.
 
 
 
 Markus
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler

 I thinh you may be able to just set up a rule to look in the 
 header for the virtual domain you are looking for -- I think 
 this will get moth incoming and outgoing

Hmm, will this really work?
In Imail v8 I can se only the inbound rules tab for virtual hosts.

I've tested this before by creating two rules (mailfrom and mailto) for this
virtual domain but unfortunately this has catched only incomming messages.

Markus 


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Jeff Pereira
I think I did it as a rule on the copyall user's account...


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  I thinh you may be able to just set up a rule to look in the
  header for the virtual domain you are looking for -- I think
  this will get moth incoming and outgoing

 Hmm, will this really work?
 In Imail v8 I can se only the inbound rules tab for virtual hosts.

 I've tested this before by creating two rules (mailfrom and mailto) for
this
 virtual domain but unfortunately this has catched only incomming messages.

 Markus


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[Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Mike Wiegers
6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers
The only catch as far as Declude JunkMail is concerned is that IMail will
treat the E-mail to the gateway domain as outgoing mail, since it is not
stored on the IMail server. Therefore, by default, the outgoing actions in
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file will be used. To get around this, you can
set up per-domain configuration files for the gateway domains.

Hello All,

I'm trying to setup my server to act as a gateway and I have the Imail part
working. I'm having trouble with the declude part though. I can't seem to
get my server to scan for junkmail for the domain that I'm acting as a
gateway. I have added the folder for the FORWARDDOMAIN.COM and added the
$default$.junkmail file. 

What am I missing on the per-domain configuration?

Thanks
Mike


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Kris McElroy
Do you have Junkmail Pro?  This feature is only available in Declude
Junkmail Pro.



Thanks,


Kris McElroy
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:24 AM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers
The only catch as far as Declude JunkMail is concerned is that IMail will
treat the E-mail to the gateway domain as outgoing mail, since it is not
stored on the IMail server. Therefore, by default, the outgoing actions in
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file will be used. To get around this, you can
set up per-domain configuration files for the gateway domains.

Hello All,

I'm trying to setup my server to act as a gateway and I have the Imail part
working. I'm having trouble with the declude part though. I can't seem to
get my server to scan for junkmail for the domain that I'm acting as a
gateway. I have added the folder for the FORWARDDOMAIN.COM and added the
$default$.junkmail file. 

What am I missing on the per-domain configuration?

Thanks
Mike


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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I think I did it as a rule on the copyall user's account...

This is the recommended method.

--Sandy



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Mike Wiegers
Yes..

Declude JunkMail Status: PRO version registered. 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

Do you have Junkmail Pro?  This feature is only available in Declude
Junkmail Pro.



Thanks,


Kris McElroy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers
The only catch as far as Declude JunkMail is concerned is that IMail will
treat the E-mail to the gateway domain as outgoing mail, since it is not
stored on the IMail server. Therefore, by default, the outgoing actions in
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file will be used. To get around this, you can
set up per-domain configuration files for the gateway domains.

Hello All,

I'm trying to setup my server to act as a gateway and I have the Imail part
working. I'm having trouble with the declude part though. I can't seem to
get my server to scan for junkmail for the domain that I'm acting as a
gateway. I have added the folder for the FORWARDDOMAIN.COM and added the
$default$.junkmail file. 

What am I missing on the per-domain configuration?

Thanks
Mike


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Mike Wiegers
Debug helps..

10/12/2004 11:22:50 Q04d82aa002a0abe8 E-mail whitelisted - automatically
passing all spam tests [declude.com]

I was sending the test messages from the Declude Spam Tester site. Removed
declude from the whitelist and it looks like everything will work now.

Thanks,
Mike 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

Depending on how it is setup you may have to have the following folder
either mail.domain.com or domain.com, I would try one then the other and see
which one works for your install.  Also turn your loglevel to debug and show
us some output so that we can help you out.


Thanks,


Kris McElroy
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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
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Yes..

Declude JunkMail Status: PRO version registered. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris McElroy
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
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Do you have Junkmail Pro?  This feature is only available in Declude
Junkmail Pro.



Thanks,


Kris McElroy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Wiegers
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers
The only catch as far as Declude JunkMail is concerned is that IMail will
treat the E-mail to the gateway domain as outgoing mail, since it is not
stored on the IMail server. Therefore, by default, the outgoing actions in
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file will be used. To get around this, you can
set up per-domain configuration files for the gateway domains.

Hello All,

I'm trying to setup my server to act as a gateway and I have the Imail part
working. I'm having trouble with the declude part though. I can't seem to
get my server to scan for junkmail for the domain that I'm acting as a
gateway. I have added the folder for the FORWARDDOMAIN.COM and added the
$default$.junkmail file. 

What am I missing on the per-domain configuration?

Thanks
Mike


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 The only catch as far as Declude JunkMail is concerned is that IMail
 will  treat the E-mail to the gateway domain as outgoing mail, since
 it  is  not  stored  on the IMail server.

Note  that  standard  IMail  store-and-forward  setups create implicit
'nobody'  aliases,  friends  to  spammers  and  enemies of your server
resources.  If  the  mailbox  server  for  these  domains  is  running
Exchange,  IMail 8, or any LDAPv3 server, I strongly recommend the use
of one of our replication scripts for securing your s/f domain against
spammers. See my sig.

--Sandy



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution for Mail-backup

2004-10-12 Thread Markus Gufler

 I think I did it as a rule on the copyall user's account...

Ah, now I understand. The idea is to activate the copy-all function and set
rules for the copyall mailbox so that messages for/from a certain domain
will be forwarded to another backup-mailbox and all other messages will be
deleted.

Thanks
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[OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Mike Wiegers
Sandy,

I have setup the gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for that
gateway is pointing to my declude server. It looks like what you are saying
is my server will try to process every non-user to the gateway machine,
correct?? Does this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or
how does this work?

Thanks,
Mike

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:52 AM
To: Mike Wiegers
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other
servers

Note  that  standard  IMail  store-and-forward  setups create implicit
'nobody'  aliases,  friends  to  spammers  and  enemies of your server
resources.  If  the  mailbox  server  for  these  domains  is  running
Exchange,  IMail 8, or any LDAPv3 server, I strongly recommend the use of
one of our replication scripts for securing your s/f domain against
spammers. See my sig.

--Sandy


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Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for
 that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what
 you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to
 the gateway machine, correct??

Yes.

 Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how
 does this work?

It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved
over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.

--Sandy



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RE: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Mike Wiegers
Where would I manually create these aliases?

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 Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how 
 does this work?

It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved over
LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.

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Re[2]: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Where would I manually create these aliases?

Manually? Under a virtual host, like any aliases.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Spammers working OT

2004-10-12 Thread Michael Jaworski
We are running Declude and Sniffer on Imail 8.05. One of our nationally
accessed domains, xyz.com, has been under constant dictionary attacks
with 320,000 messages per day average for 265 e-mail addresses/aliases. 

After I installed our first Linux box as a gateway with Postfix the
number dropped to less than a 10th of the original traffic. I made sure
the now single dns mx record for the domain points at the Postfix box.
(mail04.mainISP.net) I left the original mail.xyz.com A record in place
to allow those domain customers to use the same POP/SMTP server
settings. I will be adding a second Postfix box to act as a gateway to
our backup mail server.

Within the last few days it appears the spammers figured it out and are
not using the mx record and going direct to the mail server. Anyone seen
this? I am trying to avoid changing the smtp/pop server settings for my
customers since the spammers may just look at our support pages and
bypass our Postfix machine again. Any suggestions???

Pissed but determined in Seattle,

Michael Jaworski
Puget Sound Network, Inc.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammers working OT

2004-10-12 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Within  the last few days it appears the spammers figured it out and
 are  not  using  the  mx record and going direct to the mail server.
 Anyone  seen this?

Yep, of course.

The  only  course  of action is to ensure that all servers that accept
unauthenticated   mail   for   your  domain  institute  the  same,  or
sufficiently  similar,  anti-DoS and anti-spam defenses. Setting up an
authentication-only,  submission-only  server on port 587 would be the
preferred method for exposing a server to your roaming clients.

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Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Dave Doherty
Sandy-
Do you know what Ipswitch's position is on licensing the gateway server?  It 
looks like the small business version is limited to five domains, but is 
that domains with mailboxes only? Will the SB version do OK with several 
hundred domains when acting only as a gateway? Or do we need to pay the full 
price for the pro version all over again to set up a gateway?

-d

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To: Mike Wiegers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains 
on other servers


I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for
that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what
you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to
the gateway machine, correct??
Yes.
Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how
does this work?
It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved
over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.
--Sandy

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RE: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Matt Goodhue
We have Imail setup as an Gateway server.  I contacted Imail because I
had the same question.  They told me that you can use the small business
edition as a gateway.  There is no limit on domains when it is acting as
an gateway.

Matt Goodhue


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Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for
domains on other servers

Sandy-

Do you know what Ipswitch's position is on licensing the gateway server?
It 
looks like the small business version is limited to five domains, but is

that domains with mailboxes only? Will the SB version do OK with several

hundred domains when acting only as a gateway? Or do we need to pay the
full 
price for the pro version all over again to set up a gateway?

-d




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To: Mike Wiegers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for
domains 
on other servers


 I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for
 that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what
 you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to
 the gateway machine, correct??

 Yes.

 Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how
 does this work?

 It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved
 over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.

 --Sandy


 
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 Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Matt
Dave,
Ipswitch won't allow for gatewaying except on IMail Small Business or 
IMail Professional.  If you or anyone else is interested in just a 
simple backup gateway, I've got a server that does address validation 
that is severely underutilized (hardly ever reaches 1% CPU utilization 
on minute to minute averages).  I set this up partly with the idea in 
mind that I would provide a cheap backup gateway for other admins.  This 
isn't designed to be a big profit center for me and it should be 
significantly less expensive than buying the software and hardware for 
yourself, and it provides a redundant network for those that don't 
already have one.

If you prefer to do this yourself, I use MS SMTP with VAMSoft ORF to 
pull this off (Sandy originally recommended this many months ago).  MS 
SMTP allows you to customize the settings for each instance, and ORF 
will do envelope rejection of individual RCPT To's to stave off 
dictionary attacks without hardly any CPU or bandwidth overhead.  I do 
plan on doing some very limited blocking on the server for things like 
dictionary attack IP's and are safe to block, with the data generated 
from the logging of multiple rejected recipients in a specific pattern, 
and expired after a period of inactivity.  We will import addresses in 
the IMailUsers export format with one address per line, and a process 
that monitors drop directories for new files and updates the gateways 
when found.  I actually run ORF on my IMail server also so that I can do 
envelope rejection for gatewayed domains.

Maybe this isn't exactly what you are looking for, but I figured that I 
would put it out there for you and others to chew on.

Matt

Dave Doherty wrote:
Sandy-
Do you know what Ipswitch's position is on licensing the gateway 
server?  It looks like the small business version is limited to five 
domains, but is that domains with mailboxes only? Will the SB version 
do OK with several hundred domains when acting only as a gateway? Or 
do we need to pay the full price for the pro version all over again to 
set up a gateway?

-d

- Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman 
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To: Mike Wiegers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for 
domains on other servers


I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for
that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what
you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to
the gateway machine, correct??

Yes.
Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how
does this work?

It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved
over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.
--Sandy

Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Matt,

Can you give a rough overview on how you integrated ORF on your boxes?

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- Original Message - 
From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains
on other servers


 Dave,

 Ipswitch won't allow for gatewaying except on IMail Small Business or
 IMail Professional.  If you or anyone else is interested in just a
 simple backup gateway, I've got a server that does address validation
 that is severely underutilized (hardly ever reaches 1% CPU utilization
 on minute to minute averages).  I set this up partly with the idea in
 mind that I would provide a cheap backup gateway for other admins.  This
 isn't designed to be a big profit center for me and it should be
 significantly less expensive than buying the software and hardware for
 yourself, and it provides a redundant network for those that don't
 already have one.

 If you prefer to do this yourself, I use MS SMTP with VAMSoft ORF to
 pull this off (Sandy originally recommended this many months ago).  MS
 SMTP allows you to customize the settings for each instance, and ORF
 will do envelope rejection of individual RCPT To's to stave off
 dictionary attacks without hardly any CPU or bandwidth overhead.  I do
 plan on doing some very limited blocking on the server for things like
 dictionary attack IP's and are safe to block, with the data generated
 from the logging of multiple rejected recipients in a specific pattern,
 and expired after a period of inactivity.  We will import addresses in
 the IMailUsers export format with one address per line, and a process
 that monitors drop directories for new files and updates the gateways
 when found.  I actually run ORF on my IMail server also so that I can do
 envelope rejection for gatewayed domains.

 Maybe this isn't exactly what you are looking for, but I figured that I
 would put it out there for you and others to chew on.

 Matt



 Dave Doherty wrote:

  Sandy-
 
  Do you know what Ipswitch's position is on licensing the gateway
  server?  It looks like the small business version is limited to five
  domains, but is that domains with mailboxes only? Will the SB version
  do OK with several hundred domains when acting only as a gateway? Or
  do we need to pay the full price for the pro version all over again to
  set up a gateway?
 
  -d
 
 
 
 
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  To: Mike Wiegers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for
  domains on other servers
 
 
  I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for
  that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what
  you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to
  the gateway machine, correct??
 
 
  Yes.
 
  Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how
  does this work?
 
 
  It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved
  over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.
 
  --Sandy
 
 
  
  Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
  Broadleaf Systems, a division of
  Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Matt




Sure. The backup server just runs MS SMTP with ORF (ORF works within
MS SMTP). I use the address blacklist in ORF to limit just addresses
that match what I give, and it will accept wildcards for the domains
that I don't currently have complete address lists for. ORF loads the
config from an INI file when the server starts, so updating the config
is just a matter of overwriting the file and restarting the ORF
service. I also have IMail and Declude on this server sitting dormant
with my config from the master server so that I can turn it on in the
case of a prolonged failure and still provide gateway scanning (hosted
E-mail would be spooled). MS SMTP is set up to send all E-mail to my
master server on port 587 which IMail listens on.

On my master server, I have MS SMTP with ORF installed and listening on
port 25, and IMail with Declude listening on port 587. In order to
provide connectivity to my hosted clients, I have a port redirection
for the proper IP so that traffic to port 25 is redirected to port 587
using a router to do this, and when it goes out, it also redirects 587
back to port 25 on this IP. This port is the RFC specified SMTP Auth
port, and while IMail doesn't support Auth only on this port, it does
give me the ability to let hosted clients configure themselves on port
587 in order to avoid being blocked by providers like MSN, Earthlink,
Comcast, etc, and it works over port 25 just the same.

The MS SMTP with ORF installation on the master server is the same as
that on the backup gateway. If the E-mail has valid recipients, it is
passed onto IMail running on the same box with port 587. All of my MX
records point to the MS SMTP with ORF IP's and not the IMail with
Declude IP.

I'm running dual 3 GHz Xeons on both the backup and master servers with
6 and 5 15,000 RPM Cheetahs, both in RAID 5, albeit one less drive and
less cash on the RAID controller for the backup, but I doubt that will
be an issue. For the standard traffic that gets to IMail, I figure it
can handle about 500,000 messages a day with dual virus scanners,
Sniffer, and a lean but capable set of custom Declude filters. By
digging through the logs on both ORF and Declude, I am fairly certain
that I can blacklist IP's with +99.999% confidence and extend the
message capacity to over 1 million when you consider what may be
blocked, but for now the only thing that needs to be blocked are the
invalid addresses from multiple long-running dictionary attacks that
are generating significant volume on their own. It takes next to no
processing power to block an invalid address with ORF.

I'm currently working on the processes that will allow for customers to
export their user lists to us. I'm using DTS packages in MS SQL on a
separate server to take in the data and only update the gateways when
changes are detected so that I don't have to stop and start the ORF
service unnecessarily. I plan on creating scripts for customers with
different systems that will output these files and upload when changes
are detected on their end, and there will be a Web interface that will
provide manual configuration with exclusions and additions separate
from the flat file uploads. This is a lot of work, but it's something
that I've been working towards for a while now and now have the
capabilities to support.

One additional benefit to this is that MS SMTP has a much better spool,
with customizable settings per instance. I can limit the number of
connections per domain so that I am protected from being completely
taken down by things like loops and other attacks running through my
server, and limit the total connections across all domains so that I
don't overwhelm IMail with Declude causing virus scanners to time out.
IMail also seems to hang on to incomplete connections for 15 to 30
minutes and there were constantly over 100 messages in the IMail spool,
but now my spool is only active stuff, and I have MS SMTP set to kill
connections after 1 minute of inactivity. I believe that MS SMTP and
ORF being services will take precedence to Declude, so even if Declude
is chugging the server, it should still accept E-mail in MS SMTP and
retry delivery to IMail until it is ready to handle the load, so the
server is more stable under heavy loads as compared to IMail with
Declude alone.

I would much rather Declude act with just MS SMTP so that this could be
simplified, but this isn't so overwhelmingly kludgey that it is
difficult to administrate. If you have any more specific questions,
ask away, although I've just given away a very hard thought out
environment design and probably already said too much :) I am
definitely interested in doing simple address validating gatewaying for
other Declude users though, and I wouldn't be offering if I thought
that there wasn't a huge cost benefit to others leveraging my system in
certain instances, but of course if you enjoy this stuff and have the
cash, building this for yourself isn't difficult except for automating
the address 

[Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?

2004-10-12 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi,

I have the following line in a filter:

BODY 20 CONTAINS You=92ll

It triggered on an HTML e-mail:

10/06/2004 19:20:02 Q7d8a0030012efa97 Triggered BODY CONTAINS filter
WORDMASK on You=92ll [weight-20; you=92ll find marketing tools ].

Now in the HTML e-mail there is only one instance of find marketing
tools and it looks like (from View Source)

pPartnerweb gives all Extreme Networks authorized partners (ESP, EASP
and distributors) 24/7 access to a password protected web site that
delivers the tools and resources needed to develop and close
opportunities. In addition to information on training and certification
programs, product updates, and Extreme promotional campaigns, you'll
find marketing tools that give you the sales edge, such as vertical
market information designed to meet the unique needs of education,
healthcare and government customers.

So my question is how did the ' get interpreted as an =92?

Thanx

 
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 The LAN Shoppe

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?

2004-10-12 Thread Matt
I would make sure that your view source is the true source and not an 
interpreted source.  It appears that you are using Exchange Web mail, 
and I wouldn't be surprised to see this behavior in a Web mailer.  This 
is almost guaranteed to be the case here.

Matt

Goran Jovanovic wrote:
Hi,
I have the following line in a filter:
BODY 20 CONTAINS You=92ll
It triggered on an HTML e-mail:
10/06/2004 19:20:02 Q7d8a0030012efa97 Triggered BODY CONTAINS filter
WORDMASK on You=92ll [weight-20; you=92ll find marketing tools ].
Now in the HTML e-mail there is only one instance of find marketing
tools and it looks like (from View Source)
pPartnerweb gives all Extreme Networks authorized partners (ESP, EASP
and distributors) 24/7 access to a password protected web site that
delivers the tools and resources needed to develop and close
opportunities. In addition to information on training and certification
programs, product updates, and Extreme promotional campaigns, you'll
find marketing tools that give you the sales edge, such as vertical
market information designed to meet the unique needs of education,
healthcare and government customers.
So my question is how did the ' get interpreted as an =92?
Thanx
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?

2004-10-12 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Matt,

The view source is from my Outlook client so not sure if it really is
true source or not. 

Is there anything in the headers that would indicate that this was sent
via an Exchange Web mail? I have the headers but do not really see
anything indicating what sent it. There is no X-Mailer etc.

Any thoughts?
Thanx

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?
 
 I would make sure that your view source is the true source and not an
 interpreted source.  It appears that you are using Exchange Web mail,
 and I wouldn't be surprised to see this behavior in a Web mailer.
This
 is almost guaranteed to be the case here.
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 Goran Jovanovic wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the following line in a filter:
 
 BODY 20 CONTAINS You=92ll
 
 It triggered on an HTML e-mail:
 
 10/06/2004 19:20:02 Q7d8a0030012efa97 Triggered BODY CONTAINS filter
 WORDMASK on You=92ll [weight-20; you=92ll find marketing tools ].
 
 Now in the HTML e-mail there is only one instance of find marketing
 tools and it looks like (from View Source)
 
 pPartnerweb gives all Extreme Networks authorized partners (ESP,
EASP
 and distributors) 24/7 access to a password protected web site that
 delivers the tools and resources needed to develop and close
 opportunities. In addition to information on training and
certification
 programs, product updates, and Extreme promotional campaigns, you'll
 find marketing tools that give you the sales edge, such as vertical
 market information designed to meet the unique needs of education,
 healthcare and government customers.
 
 So my question is how did the ' get interpreted as an =92?
 
 Thanx
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
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RE: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains on other servers

2004-10-12 Thread Troy Hickerson
I wanted to point out that Imail does have a limitation which relates to the
number of domains.  (Hopefully it may save you some time which I spent
learning the hard way.)  When you setup a domain as a gateway with Imail you
need to add an entry to the HOSTS file and also allow relaying for the IP
address mentioned in the host file.  However there is a limit of 100 IP
address entries (groups or individual IPs) in the Imail SMTP security area.


I ran into this back in version 7.x and I don't think it was changed in 8.x.

If you are relaying all your domains to the same location, then it's not a
problem, but if it's for filtering remote domains, then you'll want to look
at some other options such as sending everything to IIS/SMTP on a different
port once Declude is done scanning.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains
on other servers

We have Imail setup as an Gateway server.  I contacted Imail because I had
the same question.  They told me that you can use the small business edition
as a gateway.  There is no limit on domains when it is acting as an gateway.

Matt Goodhue


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on other servers

Sandy-

Do you know what Ipswitch's position is on licensing the gateway server?
It
looks like the small business version is limited to five domains, but is

that domains with mailboxes only? Will the SB version do OK with several

hundred domains when acting only as a gateway? Or do we need to pay the full
price for the pro version all over again to set up a gateway?

-d




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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 6.3 Acting as a gateway for domains
on other servers


 I  have  setup  the  gateway in my hosts file and the MX records for 
 that  gateway  is  pointing to my declude server. It looks like what 
 you  are  saying  is my server will try to process every non-user to 
 the gateway machine, correct??

 Yes.

 Does  this script create registry keys for the gateway users, or how 
 does this work?

 It  creates  and updates IMail aliases for a remote userbase retrieved 
 over LDAP. You just schedule it to run every 5-10 minutes.

 --Sandy


 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?

2004-10-12 Thread Matt




I was looking at your headers and not those of this message because you
didn't share those. That also wouldn't have any effect so don't get
caught up on that.

I believe that the Properties  Details  Message Source option
in Outlook Express does not MIME decode the source, so it would be
evident there. I'm not clear on what version of Outlook that you are
running and this might be different. Unfortunately Microsoft has
decided to mask all sorts of client and server information from their
messages, making things look like they originate from the server and
without indications of the client or even a Message-ID. You should be
able to test your client's capabilities and determine if it interprets
MIME encoding. The most common element that you would see in HTML
E-mail would be =3D. If you verify that it doesn't interpret, then
this would certainly look to be very suspicious and suggestive of a
bug. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion though.

If you need to regularly do review with your mail client, I strongly
advise that you switch to something like Netscape or Thunderbird (new
Mozilla E-mail client). Viewing the plain text source is just a matter
of Ctrl.+U. Firefox/Thunderbird is poised to take substantial
marketshare from Microsoft for the first time since the browser wars
began. I'll be switching to Firefox as soon as they go from preview
release to actual release, which should be any day now. To each their
own of course, but I couldn't deal with doing this and using Outlook.

Matt



Goran Jovanovic wrote:

  Matt,

The view source is from my Outlook client so not sure if it really is
"true" source or not. 

Is there anything in the headers that would indicate that this was sent
via an Exchange Web mail? I have the headers but do not really see
anything indicating what sent it. There is no X-Mailer etc.

Any thoughts?
Thanx

 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

 

  
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How did this trigger my filter?

I would make sure that your view source is the true source and not an
interpreted source.  It appears that you are using Exchange Web mail,
and I wouldn't be surprised to see this behavior in a Web mailer.

  
  This
  
  
is almost guaranteed to be the case here.

Matt



Goran Jovanovic wrote:



  Hi,

I have the following line in a filter:

BODY 20 CONTAINS You=92ll

It triggered on an HTML e-mail:

10/06/2004 19:20:02 Q7d8a0030012efa97 Triggered BODY CONTAINS filter
WORDMASK on You=92ll [weight-20; you=92ll find marketing tools ].

Now in the HTML e-mail there is only one instance of find marketing
tools and it looks like (from View Source)

pPartnerweb gives all Extreme Networks authorized partners (ESP,
  

  
  EASP
  
  

  and distributors) 24/7 access to a password protected web site that
delivers the tools and resources needed to develop and close
opportunities. In addition to information on training and
  

  
  certification
  
  

  programs, product updates, and Extreme promotional campaigns, you'll
find marketing tools that give you the sales edge, such as vertical
market information designed to meet the unique needs of education,
healthcare and government customers.

So my question is how did the ' get interpreted as an =92?

Thanx


Goran Jovanovic
The LAN Shoppe

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