Re: [Declude.JunkMail] understanding JM scores

2004-10-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

Can Scott or someone explain to me how the weight on this message was 
calculated?
The weight is calculated by adding/subtracting every relevant weight for 
the E-mail.  In almost all cases where the weights do not seem to add up, 
it is because the E-mail did *not* fail a spam test that is set to use a 
negative weight.  For example, E-mails that do not fail the IPNOTINMX or 
NOLEGITCONTENT tests will normally have points subtracted from their weight 
(as they are more likely to be legitimate E-mails).

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] External plus length

2004-10-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've been testing a script using an external test and I seem to have come 
across a limitation in the length of the line.  The script is definitely 
being called because it has it's own logging function, but Declude isn't 
listening to the result code that it gives.  I created a single line 
VBScript to test for the possibility of a length limitation and I found it 
conclusive...beyond a certain length, the result code given by the script 
was not used.
Would it be possible to use the debug mode, and send me the entries?  That 
should provide some more information as to what is happening.  I've checked 
the code, and don't see anything that looks like it could cause this.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Is this the Outlook/Space problem?

2004-10-19 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi,

I remember reading about the Outlook and space in the header problem a
while ago. I had not seen it until now (I think). Is this that problem?
If I read this correctly it was send via Exchange 2000 but I do not
think you can tell what version of Outlook sent it, can you?

Thanx

Subject: ***[SPAM]***[10]***Lunch 
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:32:15 -0500 
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
Thread-Topic: Lunch 
Thread-Index: AcSyzCXMlZRZbfZLQ9+7A10T/9au/w== 
From: Person One [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Mime-Version: 1.0 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
X-RBL-Warning: CMDSPACE: Space found in RCPT TO: command. 
X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain .xxx.com has no MX or A records
[0301]. 
X-RBL-Warning: NOLEGITCONTENT: No content unique to legitimate E-mail
detected. 
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [205.200.66.154] 
X-Declude-Spoolname: Ded9412d600fec8af.SMD 
X-Note:


X-Note: Process Time: Scanned at 11:32:45 on 15 Oct 2004 
X-Note: Reverse DNS:  Sent from 205-200-66-154.static.mts.net
([205.200.66.154]). 
X-Note: Country Path: CANADA-destination 
X-Note: 
X-Note: Tests Failed: CMDSPACE [8], HELOBOGUS [5], NOLEGITCONTENT [0]


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe

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[Declude.JunkMail] New(?) dynamic netblock at RoadRunner not in the usual lists

2004-10-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
I'm getting spam from the following netblock, but with zero ip4r tests
triggering.

I haven't seen any legitimate mail coming here, so I'm putting a
conservative weight on this, and you might find it useful too in a filter
file:

REMOTEIP  4 CIDR 69.200.64.0/19

Matt from MailPure.com has a DYNAMIC filter that has triggered on this
netblock thanks to their reverse DNS naming convention.  Bud Durland's
HELOisIP has also triggered on this spam.

Andrew 8)
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is this the Outlook/Space problem?

2004-10-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

I remember reading about the Outlook and space in the header problem a
while ago. I had not seen it until now (I think). Is this that problem?
There's a lot of Outlook problems, several of which involve spaces.  :)
If I read this correctly it was send via Exchange 2000 but I do not
think you can tell what version of Outlook sent it, can you?
X-RBL-Warning: CMDSPACE: Space found in RCPT TO: command.
This one means that Outlook made a technical violation of the RFCs when 
sending the E-mail.  If the person using Outlook is a customer of yours, 
that is normal behavior of Outlook (unfortunately!).  However, if the 
person using Outlook is not a customer of yours, their mailserver is 
violating the RFCs, which is a more serious issue.

Note that there were some headers missing, which could include the one that 
says which version of Outlook it is.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Max weight test for sniffer?

2004-10-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a way to configure the cfg file to only do the sniffer test if
below a certain weight?
No, that is not currently possible.
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[Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days

2004-10-19 Thread Mark Smith
Assuming we wanted to setup a Sat-Sun DOW test with a weight of 2 for the
message hitting on the weekend, I guess we would use:

DOW dow 6   7   2   0

Correct?

Having said that, does anyone have any metrics on what days more spam comes
in?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days

2004-10-19 Thread Darin Cox
I believe Sunday is day zero, so you would need two tests.  For example...

DOW_SUN dow 0 0 2 0
DOW_SAT dow 6 6 2 0

I don't have statistics to show you, but I can say more spam comes in on a
weekday than on weekends, and more on Saturday than Sunday.  We weight
Sunday a little higher due to much less legit mail on Sunday.

Darin.


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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days


Assuming we wanted to setup a Sat-Sun DOW test with a weight of 2 for the
message hitting on the weekend, I guess we would use:

DOW dow 6 7 2 0

Correct?

Having said that, does anyone have any metrics on what days more spam comes
in?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days

2004-10-19 Thread Scott Fisher
  Here are my October totals by day.

  Day spam totals Date CountOfMessageID DEL SPAM Held SPAM Poss SPAM OK
  10/1/2004 4513 2878 57 63 1515
  10/2/2004 3169 2915 51 9 194
  10/3/2004 2949 2665 57 17 210
  10/4/2004 4594 2898 39 42 1615
  10/5/2004 4811 3038 41 39 1693
  10/6/2004 5035 3193 34 36 1772
  10/7/2004 4661 3013 28 32 1588
  10/8/2004 4409 2941 28 16 1424
  10/9/2004 3188 2942 21 18 207
  10/10/2004 1898 1774 11 10 103
  10/11/2004 3235 1813 27 20 1375
  10/12/2004 4853 3057 43 48 1705
  10/13/2004 4946 3087 53 35 1771
  10/14/2004 5073 3150 27 34 1862
  10/15/2004 4781 3140 19 40 1582
  10/16/2004 2904 2659 16 9 220
  10/17/2004 2950 2660 20 12 258
  10/18/2004 4323 2787 32 45 1459


That said, my opinion is that Day of Week and Hour of Day are too arbitrary
to be weighing spam on.

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From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days


 Assuming we wanted to setup a Sat-Sun DOW test with a weight of 2 for the
 message hitting on the weekend, I guess we would use:

 DOW dow 6 7 2 0

 Correct?

 Having said that, does anyone have any metrics on what days more spam
comes
 in?


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[Declude.JunkMail] WordFilter BODY

2004-10-19 Thread Danny K
Will a wordfilter BODY pick up text in an email that is in html format?

TIA

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days

2004-10-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Scott, you have far less ham on weekends.  Hypothetically, a company like
yours might use the day of week test to add a little weight on the weekend,
on the basis that your false positives from doing so will be fewer.

I have a similar volume pattern.

And to answer Mark's initial question, another idea for a way to use DOW is
to combine it with the COPYFILE action to, say, archive every message that
comes in on Thursday.

And no, I don't use the DOW test.

Andrew 8)

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  Here are my October totals by day.

  Day spam totals Date CountOfMessageID DEL SPAM Held SPAM Poss SPAM OK
  10/1/2004 4513 2878 57 63 1515
  10/2/2004 3169 2915 51 9 194
  10/3/2004 2949 2665 57 17 210
  10/4/2004 4594 2898 39 42 1615
  10/5/2004 4811 3038 41 39 1693
  10/6/2004 5035 3193 34 36 1772
  10/7/2004 4661 3013 28 32 1588
  10/8/2004 4409 2941 28 16 1424
  10/9/2004 3188 2942 21 18 207
  10/10/2004 1898 1774 11 10 103
  10/11/2004 3235 1813 27 20 1375
  10/12/2004 4853 3057 43 48 1705
  10/13/2004 4946 3087 53 35 1771
  10/14/2004 5073 3150 27 34 1862
  10/15/2004 4781 3140 19 40 1582
  10/16/2004 2904 2659 16 9 220
  10/17/2004 2950 2660 20 12 258
  10/18/2004 4323 2787 32 45 1459


That said, my opinion is that Day of Week and Hour of Day are too arbitrary
to be weighing spam on.

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From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DOW test and Spam on specific days


 Assuming we wanted to setup a Sat-Sun DOW test with a weight of 2 for 
 the message hitting on the weekend, I guess we would use:

 DOW dow 6 7 2 0

 Correct?

 Having said that, does anyone have any metrics on what days more spam
comes
 in?


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] WordFilter BODY

2004-10-19 Thread Rick Davidson
Yes, including the html tags themselves
Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Group
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Will a wordfilter BODY pick up text in an email that is in html format?
TIA
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] WordFilter BODY

2004-10-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Yes.  For that matter, a BODY filter could also catch text that is in an
attached document.

Andrew 8)

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Will a wordfilter BODY pick up text in an email that is in html format?

TIA

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] understanding JM scores

2004-10-19 Thread Imail Admin
So what does the =IGNORE mean in the logs?  Such as this:

CMDSPACE=IGNORE IPNOTINMX=IGNORE NOLEGITCONTENT=IGNORE SPFFAIL=IGNORE
LOCALCMDSPACE=IGNORE WEIGHT5=SUBJECT WEIGHT5r=MAILBOX CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE

And if this is only a list of tests that failed, then is there no list of
tests the passed?

Ben



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 Can Scott or someone explain to me how the weight on this message was
 calculated?

 The weight is calculated by adding/subtracting every relevant weight for
 the E-mail.  In almost all cases where the weights do not seem to add up,
 it is because the E-mail did *not* fail a spam test that is set to use a
 negative weight.  For example, E-mails that do not fail the IPNOTINMX or
 NOLEGITCONTENT tests will normally have points subtracted from their
weight
 (as they are more likely to be legitimate E-mails).

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] understanding JM scores

2004-10-19 Thread R. Scott Perry

So what does the =IGNORE mean in the logs?  Such as this:
CMDSPACE=IGNORE IPNOTINMX=IGNORE NOLEGITCONTENT=IGNORE SPFFAIL=IGNORE
LOCALCMDSPACE=IGNORE WEIGHT5=SUBJECT WEIGHT5r=MAILBOX CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE
Those are the actions that are taken.  So the subject was modified since 
the E-mail failed the WEIGHT5 test, and the E-mail was re-routed to another 
mailbox since it failed the WEIGHT5r test, but no other actions were taken 
due to the E-mail failing other tests.

And if this is only a list of tests that failed, then is there no list of
tests the passed?
Correct.  The E-mail passed any tests that you have defined, but that are 
not listed.  The only other option would be for Declude JunkMail to log 
every single test for every single E-mail, which could make for large log 
file entries.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Skipping an external test if the current weight is a certain valu e

2004-10-19 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
No, you can't do this directly with Declude, but indirectly, heck yes.

I just wrote a piddling batch file that will let you do this.  You can use
it for any external test, not just sniffer.

You should read it carefully, and then edit your global.cfg accordingly, in
particular to put in the correct path for wherever you put this batch file.
I've used the sample configuraiton from the Sniffer support pages in my
example.  Don't forget to rename this attachment from .txt to .cmd

Disclaimer #1: I am not a programmer.
Disclaimer #2: sniffer in particular is wicked fast, so starting this
   shell might make no difference in your execution time.
   
Andrew 8)

@echo off
REM Quicky script to use with Declude as a wrapper around an external test
REM If you need more variables, you could simply hardcode the HOLD weight
REM value in the IF statement.
REM
REM It takes two parameters, the current weight that Declude has accrued
REM for the message, and the weight at which you want to NOT execute the
REM external test, and the rest of the parameters are verbatim for what
REM is inside the quotes in the Declude external test definition, e.g.
REM
REM SNIFFER external * C:\MessageSniffer\snfrv2r3.exe xnk05x5vmipeaof7 10 0
REM
REM Would become this, to skip at weight 20:
REM
REM SNIFFERSKIP external * C:\Util\Skipper.cmd %WEIGHT% 20 
C:\MessageSniffer\snfrv2r3.exe xnk05x5vmipeaof7 10 0
REM
REM Andrew Colbeck Oct-19-2004

REM For testing purposes, REM out the logging lines and the if line below
REM the so that all messages are called, and then check the resulting log.
if %1 GEQ %2 goto quit

REM The hold weight of 20 wasn't previously reached, so run the external test
%3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
REM Disable the following REM line if you want some quick log to know whether it's 
working
REM echo Ran with weight %1 and exited with value %errorlevel% when called with %3 %4 
%5 %6 %7 %8 %9 d:\Skipper.log
exit /b %errorlevel%

:quit
REM Disable the following REM line if you want some quick log to know whether it's 
working
REM echo Skipped with weight %1 when called with %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 d:\Skipper.log
exit /b 0


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] understanding JM scores

2004-10-19 Thread Imail Admin
Thanks, Scott.  Ok, one more: here is the scoring system I use:

BADHEADERS badheaders x x 8 0
BASE64  base64  x x 4 0
CMDSPACE cmdspace x x 8 0
COMMENTS comments x x 7 0
HELOBOGUS helovalid x x 5 0
IPNOTINMX ipnotinmx x x 0 -3
MAILFROMenvfrom  x x 12 0
NOLEGITCONTENT nolegitcontent x x 0 -5
PERCENT  percent  x x 10 0
REVDNS  revdnsexists x x 4 0
ROUTING  spamrouting x x 2 0
SPAMHEADERS spamheaders x x 3 0
SPFPASS  spf  passx   -3  0
SPFFAIL  spf  failx   3   0
LOCALCMDSPACE   filter  D:\IMail\Declude\cmdspace.txt   x   0
0

According to the log entry, the message should get 8 for failing CMDSPACE, 0
for failing IPNOTINMX, 0 for failing NOLEGITCONTENT, 3 for failing SPFFAIL,
and 0 for failing LOCALCMDSPACE.  It gets 0 points for passing all of the
remaining tests.  So that totals to 11, not 5.  So how am I misreading this?

Also, how can I find out why it failed the SPFFAIL test?  Since this was for
an internal message, I expected to pass the SPF tests (we have an SPF
record).

Thanks again,

Ben


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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] understanding JM scores



 So what does the =IGNORE mean in the logs?  Such as this:
 
 CMDSPACE=IGNORE IPNOTINMX=IGNORE NOLEGITCONTENT=IGNORE SPFFAIL=IGNORE
 LOCALCMDSPACE=IGNORE WEIGHT5=SUBJECT WEIGHT5r=MAILBOX
CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE

 Those are the actions that are taken.  So the subject was modified since
 the E-mail failed the WEIGHT5 test, and the E-mail was re-routed to
another
 mailbox since it failed the WEIGHT5r test, but no other actions were taken
 due to the E-mail failing other tests.

 And if this is only a list of tests that failed, then is there no list of
 tests the passed?

 Correct.  The E-mail passed any tests that you have defined, but that are
 not listed.  The only other option would be for Declude JunkMail to log
 every single test for every single E-mail, which could make for large log
 file entries.

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Skipping an external test if the current weight is a certain valu e

2004-10-19 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I  just  wrote  a piddling batch file that will let you do this. You
 can use it for any external test, not just sniffer.

Nothing wrong with your batch, but how about avoiding an external file
entirely:

c:\winnt\system32\cmd.exe /c if %WEIGHT% LSS 20 c:\MessageSniffer...

--Sandy



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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Skipping an external test if the current weight is a certain valu e

2004-10-19 Thread Pete McNeil
If this works it's a slick hack!
Well tested Sandy?

_M

On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 8:48:47 PM, Sanford wrote:

 I  just  wrote  a piddling batch file that will let you do this. You
 can use it for any external test, not just sniffer.

SW Nothing wrong with your batch, but how about avoiding an external file
SW entirely:

SW c:\winnt\system32\cmd.exe /c if %WEIGHT% LSS 20 c:\MessageSniffer...

SW --Sandy


SW 
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SW Broadleaf Systems, a division of
SW Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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SW http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/

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SW  
SW 
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