Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Jeff Pereira
someone please tell me that this was a joke.


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?
 
 Ben
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Dan Geiser
I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

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To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kevin
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Dan Horne
No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP. 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kevin
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Opinion

2005-04-05 Thread Doug Anderson



Anyone use Postini before? in addition to?
New manager wants to look at it

Comments?


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Opinion

2005-04-05 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



Well, 
time wounds all heels, but someone here a year ago mentioned that they used 
Postini and moved the heck off of it again... the quote was something like 
"Brings 'false positives' to new heights".

I have 
no first-hand experience with their service. I do like their spam maps, 
though.

Andrew 
8)

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Doug AndersonSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 
  AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] Opinion
  Anyone use Postini before? in addition to?
  New manager wants to look at it
  
  Comments?


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Opinion

2005-04-05 Thread Shayne Embry
Title: Message



My ISP 
has used Postini for several years. They seem happy with it, but I think it's 
just because they don't have to do much administration. I don't have any mail 
accounts with them or firsthand experience.Based on what I've heard from 
their other customers I wouldn'tchoose it over a good Declude/Sniffer 
setup. Searching held mail for FPs is a pain, and less aggressive settings lets 
quite a bit of the bad stuff get through...kind of all or 
nothing.

Bottom 
line...if you're looking to offload administration to your users then it's worth 
consideration.

Shayne


  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Colbeck, AndrewSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 
  12:03 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] Opinion
  Well, time wounds all heels, but someone here a year ago mentioned that 
  they used Postini and moved the heck off of it again... the quote was 
  something like "Brings 'false positives' to new heights".
  
  I 
  have no first-hand experience with their service. I do like their spam 
  maps, though.
  
  Andrew 8)
  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug 
AndersonSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AMTo: 
Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Opinion
Anyone use Postini before? in addition to?
New manager wants to look at it

Comments?


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Imail Admin
Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kevin
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Matt




Someone reported recently that WHITELIST AUTH won't yet work with
SmarterMail because it isn't sharing that information in a format that
Declude can use, but apparently they are considering adding it to their
next major version.

That's definitely a deal breaker for me until it comes. I suspect that
there might be other minutia that I rely upon that could cause issues,
and I'm hoping to learn more from others as people start to migrate.

Matt



Imail Admin wrote:

  Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Horne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: "Imail Admin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  
  
Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

Ben

- Original Message - 
From: "Darin Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain




  Yes.

If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
  

  
  clients
  
  
and


  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
  

  
  comes
  
  

  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
  

  
  those
IPs.
  
  

  Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Stanford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
  

  
  and
  
  

  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?

Thanks,

Kevin

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Dan Horne
Actually it isn't that Imail 7 doesn't support SMTP Auth, it does.  It's
that it doesn't report whether a user has Authed in the message
envelope, which was added in 8.  Declude looks at the envelope for the
WHITELIST AUTH feature. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imail Admin
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking
about SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers
just can't keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not
support SMTP Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret
missing from 8.x.  We plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I
was curious if they had a similar feature so that we can whitelist our
domains (which was the topic here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel
better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is
to go out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the
backs of squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the
scraps of paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message -
From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kevin
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Darin Cox
Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons initially, but
they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages actually still made it
to the intended destination as the gators sought out the recipients' pools,
but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the pigeons
at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes, but we have
gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.  Usually
the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.

On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth info
on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this to verify
that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Darin Cox
Ok, I see Matt chimed in to let us know that CPHZ and SmarterTools are still
working on getting WHITELIST AUTH to work.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons initially, but
they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages actually still made it
to the intended destination as the gators sought out the recipients' pools,
but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the pigeons
at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes, but we have
gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.  Usually
the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.

On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth info
on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this to verify
that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

 Ben

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Yes.
 
  If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
clients
 and
  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
comes
  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
those
IPs.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
and
  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Kevin
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Kevin Bilbee
See previous post

SmarterMail does support SMTP Auth but it does not at this time spaa that
info off to declude.


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:34 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons
 initially, but
 they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages actually still made it
 to the intended destination as the gators sought out the
 recipients' pools,
 but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the pigeons
 at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes,
 but we have
 gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.  Usually
 the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.

 On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth info
 on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this to verify
 that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.

 Darin.


 - Original Message -
 From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
 looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was
 talking about
 SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
 keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
 Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing
 from 8.x.  We
 plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if
 they had a
 similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
 here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

 Ben

 P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge
 that is to go
 out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
 squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
 paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

 I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

 - Original Message -
 From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?
 
  Ben
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
   Yes.
  
   If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
 clients
  and
   configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
 comes
   in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
 those
 IPs.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
   Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
  
  
   If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
 and
   domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Kevin
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Kevin Bilbee



According to SmarterMail it will be availabel in 3.0 which will be 
availabel arrount August.


Kevin 
Bilbee

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  MattSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:27 PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  Whitelisting our DomainSomeone reported recently that 
  WHITELIST AUTH won't yet work with SmarterMail because it isn't sharing that 
  information in a format that Declude can use, but apparently they are 
  considering adding it to their next major version.That's definitely a 
  deal breaker for me until it comes. I suspect that there might be other 
  minutia that I rely upon that could cause issues, and I'm hoping to learn more 
  from others as people start to migrate.MattImail Admin 
  wrote: 
  Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Horne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: "Imail Admin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  
Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

Ben

- Original Message - 
From: "Darin Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain



  Yes.

If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
  clients
  
and

  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
  comes
  

  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
  those
IPs.
  

  Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Stanford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
  and
  

  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?

Thanks,

Kevin

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Michael Jaworski
My reading was Declude uses the SmartMail Address book as it is used in
iMail but does not yet look at the white list feature in SmarterMail.

Michael Jaworski
Puget Sound Network, Inc.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:00 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


See previous post

SmarterMail does support SMTP Auth but it does not at this time spaa that
info off to declude.


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:34 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons 
 initially, but they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages 
 actually still made it to the intended destination as the gators 
 sought out the recipients' pools,
 but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the pigeons
 at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes,
 but we have
 gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.  Usually
 the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.

 On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth 
 info on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this 
 to verify that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.

 Darin.


 - Original Message -
 From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you 
 had looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was 
 talking about SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My 
 fingers just can't keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which 
 does not support SMTP Auth, and that's just about the only feature I 
 regret missing from 8.x.  We
 plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if
 they had a
 similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
 here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

 Ben

 P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is 
 to go out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the 
 backs of squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the 
 scraps of paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


 No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

 I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

 - Original Message -
 From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?
 
  Ben
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
   Yes.
  
   If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
 clients
  and
   configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all 
   mail
 comes
   in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
 those
 IPs.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
   Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
  
  
   If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email 
   addresses
 and
   domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
  
   Thanks,
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread Matt




The only thing that I know is from the following post:


http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail@declude.com/msg23838.html

Matt



Darin Cox wrote:

  Ok, I see Matt chimed in to let us know that CPHZ and SmarterTools are still
working on getting WHITELIST AUTH to work.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: "Darin Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons initially, but
they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages actually still made it
to the intended destination as the gators sought out the recipients' pools,
but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the pigeons
at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes, but we have
gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.  Usually
the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.

On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth info
on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this to verify
that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: "Imail Admin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you had
looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was talking about
SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My fingers just can't
keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which does not support SMTP
Auth, and that's just about the only feature I regret missing from 8.x.  We
plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if they had a
similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the topic
here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?

Ben

P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is to go
out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the backs of
squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the scraps of
paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Horne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.

- Original Message -
From: "Imail Admin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


  
  
Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?

Ben

- Original Message - 
From: "Darin Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain




  Yes.

If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
  

  
  clients
  
  
and


  configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all mail
  

  
  comes
  
  

  in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
  

  
  those
IPs.
  
  

  Darin.


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To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain


If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email addresses
  

  
  and
  
  

  domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?

Thanks,

Kevin

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain

2005-04-05 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Looking at the address book/list/file is entirely different than WHITELIST
AUTH.

Using the address file is AUTOWHITELIST either ON or OFF.

John T
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Jaworski
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:06 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 My reading was Declude uses the SmartMail Address book as it is used in
 iMail but does not yet look at the white list feature in SmarterMail.
 
 Michael Jaworski
 Puget Sound Network, Inc.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:00 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
 See previous post
 
 SmarterMail does support SMTP Auth but it does not at this time spaa that
 info off to declude.
 
 
 Kevin Bilbee
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:34 PM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  Being in Florida, we use gators.  We tried the usual pigeons
  initially, but they got eaten by the gators.  Some of the messages
  actually still made it to the intended destination as the gators
  sought out the recipients' pools,
  but we opted to just use them directly instead of messing with the
pigeons
  at all.  Works pretty well for those near the rivers and lakes,
  but we have
  gotten few complaints about slow delivery from those who aren't.
Usually
  the complaints stop once the messages actually arrive, though.
 
  On a more serious note, I believe SmarterMail will pass the SMTP Auth
  info on to Declude.  Hopefully someone at CPHZ will chime in on this
  to verify that WHITELIST AUTH does work with SmarterMail.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  Alright guys, it was only a typo, no need to get in  a huff.  If you
  had looked at Darin's message that I quoted, you would see he was
  talking about SMTP Auth, and that was my question, not just SMTP.  My
  fingers just can't keep up with my thoughts.  We use IMail 7.15, which
  does not support SMTP Auth, and that's just about the only feature I
  regret missing from 8.x.  We
  plan to look at Smarter Mail at some point, and I was curious if
  they had a
  similar feature so that we can whitelist our domains (which was the
topic
  here, remember?) with Declude JM.  Feel better?
 
  Ben
 
  P.S. Actually, we don't use SMTP either.  We take each mesasge that is
  to go out, hand write them on small slips of paper, tie those to the
  backs of squirrels, and send those out the door.  We tried sending the
  scraps of paper by US Mail, but that was less reliable.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:07 AM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
  No, it uses MTP, the precursor to SMTP.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:35 AM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
  I think it uses STP...The Racer's Edge.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Imail Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
 
 
   Just curious: does SmarterMail use SMTP or something similar?
  
   Ben
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:39 AM
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
  
  
Yes.
   
If all users send through your server, then use SMTP AUTH on all
  clients
   and
configure Junkmail to whitelist AUTHing users.  If not, but all
mail
  comes
in from static IPs, you could use an IP whitelist to bypass for
  those
  IPs.
   
Darin.
   
   
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Stanford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting our Domain
   
   
If we whitelist our domain will Spam that spoofs our email
addresses
  and
domain also be whitelisted? If so, how can I circumvent it?
   
Thanks,
   
Kevin
   
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