RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DEBUG log oddity

[John T \(Lists\)]

Are you sure it is not there for every message that is delivered?

John T
eServices For You


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:59 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DEBUG log oddity
 
 I noticed that when I was running declude in debug mode I would
 periodically get my message headers dumped into the log as well. Not
 every message but just some of them. This appears to happen only during
 debug mode.
 
 Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have any idea why some of the
 headers would be put into the log?
 
 Thanks
 
 Goran Jovanovic
 Omega Network Solutions
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DEBUG log oddity

[David Franco-Rocha]

Goran,

That was something added awhile back. I have it on a list of modifications
to delete those header lines from the log files. They destroy the format of
the file (such as it is).

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: Goran Jovanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:58 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DEBUG log oddity


I noticed that when I was running declude in debug mode I would
periodically get my message headers dumped into the log as well. Not
every message but just some of them. This appears to happen only during
debug mode.

Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have any idea why some of the
headers would be put into the log?

Thanks

Goran Jovanovic
Omega Network Solutions
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[David Franco-Rocha]

An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
continue to run the version you have been running.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract up
 to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
 issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.

 With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
 renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
 working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
 agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
 version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional
fee.
 Am I now paying for a license to use the software?

 Don

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


  Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would
not
  be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true, though
I
  should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.
  Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
  agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
 
  I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
licensing
  to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since mail
is
  considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
  problems as they arise.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a
  test
  by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they
were
  watching it to see what would happen.
 
  But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
  quarterbacking
  is highly overrated. ;-)
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
  Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
  better than others.
 
 
  Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL OUCH!
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no way
  would happen.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL John T
  JTL
  JTL eServices For You
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL -Original Message-
  JTL  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
  Franco-
  Rocha
  JTL  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:29 AM
  JTL  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  JTL  Cc: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  JTL  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Due to the long holiday weekend, we have been away from the
  JTL office for a few days. Unfortunately it has come to our attention
  JTL that there could be a problem with key validation on the server
  JTL there. After some testing, we have determined that there is in
  JTL fact a hardware issue that we expect to have resolved today.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL We appreciate that you have taken the time to bring this matter
  JTL to our attention and appreciate your patience while we rectify
  JTL the situation. We will once again post to this list when the issue
  has been
  corrected.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Declude Technical / Engineering
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
 
 
  
  Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.inetconcepts.net
  (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049
  
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[Darin Cox]

Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
available prior to expiration of a service agreement.

Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
version if we have an active service agreement?

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
continue to run the version you have been running.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract up
 to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
 issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.

 With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
 renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
 working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
 agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
 version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional
fee.
 Am I now paying for a license to use the software?

 Don

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


  Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would
not
  be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true, though
I
  should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.
  Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
  agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
 
  I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
licensing
  to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since mail
is
  considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
  problems as they arise.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a
  test
  by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they
were
  watching it to see what would happen.
 
  But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
  quarterbacking
  is highly overrated. ;-)
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
  Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
  better than others.
 
 
  Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL OUCH!
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no way
  would happen.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL John T
  JTL
  JTL eServices For You
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL -Original Message-
  JTL  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
  Franco-
  Rocha
  JTL  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:29 AM
  JTL  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  JTL  Cc: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  JTL  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Due to the long holiday weekend, we have been away from the
  JTL office for a few days. Unfortunately it has come to our attention
  JTL that there could be a problem with key validation on the server
  JTL there. After some testing, we have determined that there is in
  JTL fact a hardware issue that we expect to have resolved today.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL We appreciate that you have taken the time to bring this matter
  JTL to our attention and appreciate your patience while we rectify
  JTL the situation. We will once again post to this list when the issue
  has been
  corrected.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Declude Technical / Engineering
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
 
 
  
  Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.inetconcepts.net
  (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049
  
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All I wan't for Christmas is not to be paged!

[GlobalWeb.net Webmaster]

We saw a similar issue, but on Christmas Eve starting around 5.30pm EDT and
lasting til about 9.30pm.  I too thought it was related to DNS, but the main
DNS server our IMAIL looks to was functioning fine.  I'm still at a loss for
the cause; there was nothing unusual in our logs



Sincerely,

Support Department
Global Web SolutionsR, Inc.
804-346-5300 x112
877-800-GLOBAL (4562) x112
http://globalweb.net



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:57 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All I wan't for Christmas is not to be
paged!

I do not have the DNSOVERRIDE in my Declude.cfg file (before or after the
problem). 

Best as I can tell my DNS tests started working at 14:20 EST. I was in debug
log mode until almost 14:18. I did not stop/start declude proc to change
back from debug to high.

Goran Jovanovic
Omega Network Solutions

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:52 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All I wan't for Christmas is not to be
paged!

Kevin

Prior to this problem, I did not have DNSOVERRIDE in my Declude.cfg.
Added it after I got Decludeproc restarted and it was running slow.
However then processing speed went back to near normal. I don't know if the
DNSOVERRIDE did it or the multiple restarts, but to quote Goran, I find the
linkage to be tenuous at best but the timing is interesting.
:-)

John C


-- Original Message --
From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Date:  Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:37:52 -0800

After checking my server I did not see any issue with downgrades or
delivery
this weekend.

Since it was a DNS issue that failed, can the users that had the issue
check
to see if they had a DNSOVERRIDE in their declude.cfg. When declude
first
switched to the phone home licensing modle we had problems connecting
to
their DNS server for license verification.

They had me place 
DNSOVERRIDE [ip address of local caching DNS server] in my 
declude.cfg file.

Since I did not have any issues this round and if you do not have this
set
you may want to set it


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:13 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All I wan't for Christmas is not to 
 be paged!
 
 
 This was suppose to be a holiday ... I didn't need this.
 
 Imail 8.22
 Declude 3.0.5.22 EVA  Junkmail Pro
 F-Prot/ClamAV/Sniffer
 
 I had a problem similar to Darrell's. After noticing very little mail 
 going through the server yesterday and then this morning, came in to 
 find 20,000+ msg in \proc folder. It does appear Decludeproc had a 
 major senior moment -- had climbed to 510,000K in task manager. 
 Couldn't stop service; I rebooted. Mail started moving, but slowly 
 and Decludeproc moved up to 400,000K +. Based on previously comments, 
 I added DNSOVERRIDE to declude.cfg.  Mail is moving faster and 
 Decludeproc is sitting around 100,000K.  Now down around 9,000 msgs 
 to go -- light at the end of the tunnel -- just hope it isn't an 
 on-coming train!
 
 I guess I conclude with this:
  1. where's the documentation on DNSOVERRIDE - couldn't find any.  2. 
 at least the msgs weren't lost, just held up - a plus for the Declude 
 model.  3. I'm not standing in some
 %$#* return/exchange line.
 
 John C
   
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Hardware Issue

[Nick Hayer]

David,

David Franco-Rocha wrote:

  
  
  
  
  B) Your software is NEVER downgraded
for any reason, either automatically or otherwise

hmm - would you kindly shut down your key server for awhile and monitor
the list in the meantime?

-Nick

  
  We have had a few reports from
customers who have licensed versions of Pro, saying that they are
receiving messages in their log files that they do not have the Pro
version.




   We will identify the source of that
issue tomorrow when the office reopens and will resolve it. It does not
have any relation to the key authentication mechanism with the server,
since the actual authentication with IMail versions of Declude
continues to be via the old codes entered into the configuration files.
  
  David Franco-Rocha
  Declude Technical / Engineering
  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't for Christmas is not to be paged!)

[John Doyle]

Darrell

I had a similar problem a few months ago. I found our firewall was
not allowing our mail server to query (I think) a declude site. For
us it resulted in a memory leak as well as periodic declude failure
for spam. It would take anywhere from 4 to 18 hours to fail.
It was fixed once I allowed the outgoing query throught the firewall.

John

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:30 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't for
Christmas is not to be paged!)


The one thing I want to be careful on is us speculating - we have no idea
what happened and I am sure there is a good explanation behind what
happened.  I can only hope so as I leaked a TON of spam this weekend that I
will have to explain why to my customers etc.

Just keep an eye on your upgraded 3.0.5.22 - as I only got about 24 hours
before mine went south again.

Darrell


Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG
Integration, and Log Parsers.


- Original Message -
From: Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't for
Christmas is not to be paged!)


 There was no human intervention here.  Perhaps there was on the
 Declude side of the equation.

 I have never liked the 'ET call home' method of license validation. It
 is a security risk on its face - nothing personal to Declude and it is
 something else that can break. A new license key upon each renewal
 would be better IMHO.


 Monday, December 26, 2005, 10:05:20 AM, Andy Schmidt
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 AS Hi Darrell:

 AS I had been assured by the highest authority that it would require
 HUMAN
 AS intervention if there was ever going to be a licensing mismatch
 detected,
 AS before the remote deactivation of a license.

 AS We will need to watch for their explanation to see whether that policy
 has
 AS now changed for the worse -- with the very obvious result everyone had
 been
 AS fearful of (that any automatic process WILL fail at SOME point.)

 AS I cannot afford to run mission critical applications 24x365, if I have
 to
 AS blindly rely on the availability of third party resources that I know
 AS nothing about.

 AS Best Regards
 AS Andy Schmidt

 AS Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 AS Fax:+1 201 934-9206


 AS -Original Message-
 AS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 AS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
 AS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 AS Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:49 AM
 AS To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 AS Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't
 for
 AS Christmas is not to be paged!)

 AS I sent an email back into support last night as I started having slow
 AS processing again.  I have reverted back to 2.0.6 and all is running
 well.
From what I can tell (AND I COULD BE WRONG) it appears that the
licensing
 AS process is broke at the Declude end.  I *think* one of the name
 servers they
 AS run (ns.decludekey.us ) for a domain cphzkey.com is/was down over the
 AS weekend.  I am still waiting for support to respond.

 AS I am not going to go into speculation about the licensing process,
 because I
 AS don't want to feed any bad info because I have no idea how it works.
 AS However, from what I troubleshoot on my system coupled with reviewing
 a
 AS user.dmp/dr. watson from the decludeproc during the issue I feel
 comfortable
 AS in saying my problems that I seen on my system over the weekend are
 caused
 AS by a failure to validate its license.

 AS Darrell


AS 
 AS Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude
 And
 AS Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI
 integration, MRTG
 AS Integration, and Log Parsers.

 AS - Original Message -
 AS From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 AS To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 AS Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:27 AM
 AS Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't
 for
 AS Christmas is not to be paged!)


 FWIW,

 We are not seeing this problem.

 -d


 - Original Message -
 From: Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] License Downgraded [was All I wan't
 for Christmas is not to be paged!)


 Our install of Junkmail Pro is also running as standard.  We've
 rebooted several times and can't get it to restore to Pro.


 Saturday, December 24, 2005, 10:36:37 PM, Darrell
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dsic So here it is the night 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Let's clarify this:

DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
And you still can.

DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
version if we have an active service agreement?
No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers to
maintain a current Service Agreement

The two comments above are not mutually exclusive

If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to call me
and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or plain,
especially by explanation; clarify.)

Barry 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
available prior to expiration of a service agreement.

Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
version if we have an active service agreement?

Darin.


- Original Message -
From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
continue to run the version you have been running.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract up
 to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
 issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.

 With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
 renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
 working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
 agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
 version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional
fee.
 Am I now paying for a license to use the software?

 Don

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


  Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would
not
  be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true, though
I
  should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.
  Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
  agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
 
  I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
licensing
  to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since mail
is
  considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
  problems as they arise.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a
  test
  by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they
were
  watching it to see what would happen.
 
  But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
  quarterbacking
  is highly overrated. ;-)
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
  Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
  better than others.
 
 
  Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL OUCH!
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no way
  would happen.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL John T
  JTL
  JTL eServices For You
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL -Original Message-
  JTL  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
  Franco-
  Rocha
  JTL  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:29 AM
  JTL  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  JTL  Cc: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  JTL  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Due to the long holiday weekend, we have been away from the
  JTL office for a few days. Unfortunately it has come to our attention
  JTL that there could be a problem with key validation on the server
  JTL there. After some testing, we have determined that 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[Fox, Thomas]

What's your phone number Barry? 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:01 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Let's clarify this:
 
 DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any 
 version that was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 And you still can.
 
 DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only 
 install a newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to 
 customers to
 maintain a current Service Agreement
 
 The two comments above are not mutually exclusive
 
 If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel 
 free to call me
 and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or plain,
 especially by explanation; clarify.)
 
 Barry 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 
 Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 
 Darin.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
 An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired 
 license to run the
 software. It simply does not allow you to update the 
 software, but you can
 continue to run the version you have been running.
 
 David Franco-Rocha
 Declude Technical / Engineering
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my 
 service contract up
  to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 
 2.x and 3.x
  issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.
 
  With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I 
 decide not to
  renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software 
 I have stop
  working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a 
 valid service
  agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement 
 allowed me major
  version upgrades when they were available without paying an 
 additional
 fee.
  Am I now paying for a license to use the software?
 
  Don
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
   Bottom line is we were told if the license server was 
 offline we would
 not
   be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was 
 not true, though
 I
   should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this 
 had an impact.
   Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we 
 had a service
   agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
  
   I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
 licensing
   to make sure this problem does not happen again.  
 Otherwise, since mail
 is
   considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 
 to address
   problems as they arise.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
  
   True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they 
 should have done a
   test
   by pulling the plug on their license server during the 
 week when they
 were
   watching it to see what would happen.
  
   But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
   quarterbacking
   is highly overrated. ;-)
  
   John T
   eServices For You
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
   Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  
 Some are just
   better than others.
  
  
   Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL OUCH!
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we 
 were told no way
   would happen.
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL John T
   JTL
   JTL eServices For You
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL -Original Message-
   JTL  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of David
   

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend

[Avolve Support]

Try thinking in terms of a programming language and it will come to light.

;)

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-- Original Message --
From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Date:  Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:22:38 -0600

You guys see the problem here, right?   We're all getting so damn old nobody
can remember anything for certain  LOL!!!



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harvey Rench
 Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:42 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com; Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
 
 I remember it being a Novell Netware term.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 At 11:23 AM 12/22/2005, Don Brown wrote:
 I think so, too and I don't think it had anything to do with
 Microsoft, either.  It was a common term around a mainframe shop.
 
 
 Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 4:09:03 PM, Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 DC
 DC
 DC I thought that went further back than that.  I  remember hearing
 DC it a lot from mainframe types prior to Windows 1.1early  80's...
 DC
 
 DC Darin.
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC - Original Message -
 DC From: Nick  Hayer
 DC
 DC To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 DC
 DC Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:51 PM
 DC
 DC Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
 DC
 
 DC John T (Lists) wrote:
 DC
 
 DC
 DC Is abend some kindof French word?
 DC AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985  - coined with the introduction of
 Microsoft products.
 
 DC -Nicko
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC ;)
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC JohnT
 DC
 DC eServices ForYou
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC -OriginalMessage-
 DC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 GoranJovanovic
 DC Sent:  Wednesday, December 21,2005 1:13PM
 DC To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 DC Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeprocabend
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC I have haddecludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is
 DC there anything I should bedoing to capture information about
 DC this? I have automatic restart enabled soit starts again but I
 DC am not super happy with it abending.
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC Any hints on what (ifanything) I can/should be doing?
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC
 DC GoranJovanovic
 DC
 DC OmegaNetwork Solutions
 
 DC
 
 
 
 Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.inetconcepts.net
 (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[Evans Martin]

I LOVE IT!!! Even in this fast paced, 24 hour a day, hard driving, dog-eat-dogarena that we all call work (fun?) there are shining stars of levity (For John T "lightness or fun"). Thanks for the extra smile.Evans Martin. . . I will be happy to elucidate (For John T "To make clear or plain,especially by explanation; clarify.")  From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:08 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware IssueLet's clarify this:DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that wasavailable prior to expiration of a service agreement.And you still can.DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newerversion if we have an active service agreement?No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers tomaintain a current Service AgreementThe two comments above are not mutually exclusiveIf anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to call meand I will be happy to elucidate (For John T "To make clear or plain,especially by explanation; clarify.")Barry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin CoxSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware IssueWait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that wasavailable prior to expiration of a service agreement.Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newerversion if we have an active service agreement?Darin.- Original Message -From: "David Franco-Rocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware IssueAn expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run thesoftware. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you cancontinue to run the version you have been running.David Franco-RochaDeclude Technical / Engineering- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AMSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract up to date. I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x issues. A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are. With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to renew the service agreement? Will all the Declude software I have stop working? Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service agreement? It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major version upgrades when they were available without paying an additionalfee. Am I now paying for a license to "use" the software? Don - Original Message -  From: "Darin Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue  Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we wouldnot  be impacted. It is seeming now that that statement was not true, thoughI  should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.  Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service  agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.   I would certainly like to know what will be done to the softwarelicensing  to make sure this problem does not happen again. Otherwise, since mailis  considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address  problems as they arise.   Darin.- Original Message -   From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware IssueTrue, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a  test  by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when theywere  watching it to see what would happen.   But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning  quarterbacking  is highly overrated. ;-)   John T  eServices For You   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue   Software and hardware breaks. Nothing is bulletproof. Some are just  better than others.Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL OUCH!  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no way  would happen.  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL John T  JTL  JTL eServices For You  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL  JTL -Original Message-  JTL From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David  Franco-  Rocha  JTL Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:29 AM  JTL To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com  JTL Cc: 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

978 499-2933 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fox, Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:06 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

What's your phone number Barry? 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:01 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Let's clarify this:
 
 DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any
 version that was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 And you still can.
 
 DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only
 install a newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers 
 to maintain a current Service Agreement
 
 The two comments above are not mutually exclusive
 
 If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to 
 call me and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or 
 plain, especially by explanation; clarify.)
 
 Barry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was 
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 
 Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer 
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 
 Darin.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
 An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run 
 the software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but 
 you can continue to run the version you have been running.
 
 David Franco-Rocha
 Declude Technical / Engineering
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my
 service contract up
  to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the
 2.x and 3.x
  issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.
 
  With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I
 decide not to
  renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software
 I have stop
  working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a
 valid service
  agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement
 allowed me major
  version upgrades when they were available without paying an
 additional
 fee.
  Am I now paying for a license to use the software?
 
  Don
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
   Bottom line is we were told if the license server was
 offline we would
 not
   be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was
 not true, though
 I
   should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this
 had an impact.
   Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we
 had a service
   agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
  
   I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
 licensing
   to make sure this problem does not happen again.  
 Otherwise, since mail
 is
   considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7
 to address
   problems as they arise.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
  
   True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they
 should have done a
   test
   by pulling the plug on their license server during the
 week when they
 were
   watching it to see what would happen.
  
   But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning 
   quarterbacking is highly overrated. ;-)
  
   John T
   eServices For You
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
   Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  
 Some are just
   better than others.
  
  
   Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists) 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL OUCH!
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we
 were told no way
   would happen.
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] does anyone punish email from these folks?

[Avolve Support]

We block them also as of 12-20-05

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-- Original Message --
From: Mike K @ NetDotCom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Date:  Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:02:46 -0500

We outright reject all their mail.

We started by just holding and found lots of 'suspicious' activity like 
identical emails with different from domains, etc. Normal spam type stuff CC 
offers, grant money, etc.

The we started blocked one /24, then they switched to other subnets so we 
blocked their entire IP space.

No complaints from users.

Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nick Hayer 
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:36
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] does anyone punish email from these folks?


  I sure do get allot of spam from this ip space - are they legit and are 
 lacking in their monitoring or ?
  Thanks -

  -Nick


OrgName:WholeSale Internet 
OrgID:  WHOLE-125
Address:1102 Grand Ave Suite 905
City:   Kansas City
StateProv:  MO
PostalCode: 64106
Country:US

NetRange:   69.30.192.0 - 69.30.239.255 
CIDR:   69.30.192.0/19, 69.30.224.0/20 
NetName:WHOLESALEINTERNET



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[John T \(Lists\)]

Funny Barry. ;-)

I think it has something to do with that five letter word sleep.

Or rather, lack of it.

John T
eServices For You

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Let's clarify this:
 
 DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 And you still can.
 
 DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers to
 maintain a current Service Agreement
 
 The two comments above are not mutually exclusive
 
 If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to call
me
 and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or plain,
 especially by explanation; clarify.)
 
 Barry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 
 Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 
 Darin.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
 An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
 software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
 continue to run the version you have been running.
 
 David Franco-Rocha
 Declude Technical / Engineering
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract
up
  to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
  issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.
 
  With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
  renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
  working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
  agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
  version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional
 fee.
  Am I now paying for a license to use the software?
 
  Don
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
   Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would
 not
   be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true,
though
 I
   should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an
impact.
   Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
   agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
  
   I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
 licensing
   to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since
mail
 is
   considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
   problems as they arise.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
  
   True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done
a
   test
   by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they
 were
   watching it to see what would happen.
  
   But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
   quarterbacking
   is highly overrated. ;-)
  
   John T
   eServices For You
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
   Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
   better than others.
  
  
   Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL OUCH!
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no
way
   would happen.
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL John T
   JTL
   JTL eServices For You
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL
   JTL -Original Message-
   JTL  From: [EMAIL 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

John,

We all appreciate you, our lives in front of these impersonal terminals
would be considerably more monotonous and humdrum without your
participation.

Barry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:39 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

Funny Barry. ;-)

I think it has something to do with that five letter word sleep.

Or rather, lack of it.

John T
eServices For You

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Let's clarify this:
 
 DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that 
 DC was
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 And you still can.
 
 DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a 
 DC newer
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers 
 to maintain a current Service Agreement
 
 The two comments above are not mutually exclusive
 
 If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to 
 call
me
 and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or plain, 
 especially by explanation; clarify.)
 
 Barry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was 
 available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
 
 Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer 
 version if we have an active service agreement?
 
 Darin.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
 An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run 
 the software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but 
 you can continue to run the version you have been running.
 
 David Franco-Rocha
 Declude Technical / Engineering
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service 
  contract
up
  to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 
  3.x issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.
 
  With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not 
  to renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I 
  have stop working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a 
  valid service agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement 
  allowed me major version upgrades when they were available without 
  paying an additional
 fee.
  Am I now paying for a license to use the software?
 
  Don
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
   Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we 
   would
 not
   be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true,
though
 I
   should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an
impact.
   Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a 
   service agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
  
   I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
 licensing
   to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since
mail
 is
   considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to 
   address problems as they arise.
  
   Darin.
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
  
   True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have 
   done
a
   test
   by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when 
   they
 were
   watching it to see what would happen.
  
   But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning 
   quarterbacking is highly overrated. ;-)
  
   John T
   eServices For You
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don 
   Brown
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
   To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
  
   Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some 

[Declude.JunkMail] recurrance of delayed message processing

[randy armbrecht]

I am on hold with IPSwitch checking on this issue again - (IMail 8.15hf2, declude 3.x latest) - it started about 12.30pm; email comes into the server, handled by Declude, processed back in Spool, but is not delivered past this pointDNS checks out OK; even tried switching DNS servers and stop/starting all IMail services and the Declide proc service.Declude logs show normal processing activity; IMail logs simply show message coming in and that's it. nothing unuasul in logs at all...(I replied back to a post this morning using my regular list address, but since the server that handles that address is not working, I am sending this out via our gateway server...we had this happen on Xmas eve night as well)Randy Armbrecht

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] recurrance of delayed message processing

[Greg Birdsall]

What is the total address
range you block?



- greg













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of randy armbrecht
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005
2:15 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail]
recurrance of delayed message processing





I am on hold with IPSwitch checking
on this issue again - (IMail 8.15hf2, declude 3.x latest) - it started
about 12.30pm; email comes into the server, handled by Declude, processed back
in Spool, but is not delivered past this pointDNS checks out OK; even tried
switching DNS servers and stop/starting all IMail services and the Declide proc
service.

Declude logs show normal processing activity; IMail logs simply show message
coming in and that's it. nothing unuasul in logs at all...

(I replied back to a post this morning using my regular list address, but since
the server that handles that address is not working, I am sending this out via
our gateway server...we had this happen on Xmas eve night as well)

Randy Armbrecht

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[Darin Cox]

Thanks for the clarification, Barry.  It sounded like David was telling us
we couldn't update to a version that was out while our service agreement was
active.

Thanks again, and Happy Holidays.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


Let's clarify this:

DC Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
available prior to expiration of a service agreement.
And you still can.

DC Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
version if we have an active service agreement?
No - Upgrades to the current release are only available to customers to
maintain a current Service Agreement

The two comments above are not mutually exclusive

If anyone has further questions on this subject please feel free to call me
and I will be happy to elucidate (For John T To make clear or plain,
especially by explanation; clarify.)

Barry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:41 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

Wait a minute... it used to be that we could run any version that was
available prior to expiration of a service agreement.

Are you saying that has changed, and that we can only install a newer
version if we have an active service agreement?

Darin.


- Original Message -
From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
continue to run the version you have been running.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract up
 to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
 issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.

 With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
 renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
 working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
 agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
 version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional
fee.
 Am I now paying for a license to use the software?

 Don

 - Original Message - 
 From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


  Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would
not
  be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true, though
I
  should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.
  Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
  agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.
 
  I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software
licensing
  to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since mail
is
  considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
  problems as they arise.
 
  Darin.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
 
  True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a
  test
  by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they
were
  watching it to see what would happen.
 
  But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
  quarterbacking
  is highly overrated. ;-)
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue
 
  Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
  better than others.
 
 
  Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL OUCH!
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL Gee, I thought this is the kind of thing that we were told no way
  would happen.
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL John T
  JTL
  JTL eServices For You
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL
  JTL -Original Message-
  JTL  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  JTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
  Franco-
  Rocha
  JTL  Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:29 AM
  JTL  To: 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] recurrance of delayed message processing

[Greg Birdsall]

Scratch that  I replied to the
wrong message.



- greg











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
 Birdsall
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005
4:16 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
recurrance of delayed message processing





What is the total address
range you block?



- greg













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of randy armbrecht
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005
2:15 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail]
recurrance of delayed message processing





I am on hold with IPSwitch checking
on this issue again - (IMail 8.15hf2, declude 3.x latest) - it started
about 12.30pm; email comes into the server, handled by Declude, processed back
in Spool, but is not delivered past this pointDNS checks out OK; even tried
switching DNS servers and stop/starting all IMail services and the Declide proc
service.

Declude logs show normal processing activity; IMail logs simply show message
coming in and that's it. nothing unuasul in logs at all...

(I replied back to a post this morning using my regular list address, but since
the server that handles that address is not working, I am sending this out via
our gateway server...we had this happen on Xmas eve night as well)

Randy Armbrecht

[Declude.JunkMail] CBL:Rule Breakdown

[Richard Farris]

Title: Message



All of a sudden this month I started getting Rule 
Breakdown in the properties of the emailis Declude doing that or maybe 
Sortmonster?
Richard FarrisEthixs Online1.270.247. 
Office1.800.548.3877 Tech Support"Crossroads to a Cleaner 
Internet

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] recurrance of delayed message processing

[GlobalWeb.net Webmaster]

Just got off the phone with IPSwitch; all they could come 
up with was my Queuemgr threads being too high (was 120 and retry 100; 
they reset to 75 and 30). 

I had no application errors, etc. Declude was not the 
issue here...

I'll be watching this closely thru-out the 
nite...



Sincerely,Support 
DepartmentGlobal Web Solutions, Inc.804-346-5300 x112877-800-GLOBAL 
(4562) x112http://globalweb.net



  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alvaro 
  DioniSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:42 PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE:[Declude.JunkMail] 
  recurrance of delayed message processing
  
  
  This morning I had 
  the same problem, but after restarting the services (SMTP and decludeproc) the 
  mail was finally delivered. Later, the operating system gave me these errors 
  about Decludeproc: there were about three of them, at different 
  times:
  
  
  szAppName : 
  decludeproc.exe szAppVer : 
  0.0.0.0 
  szModName : 
  decludeproc.exe szModVer : 
  0.0.0.0 offset : 60fd 
  
  
  
  I have two gateway 
  servers; the other didnt crash, but was using 180MB of RAM after restarting 
  the service, memory was back to normal (34MB max). 
  
  
  
  I upgraded to declude 
  3.X on dec. 20, today was the first problem, also using (IMail 
  8.15hf2)
  Any 
  ideas?
  
  Al 
  Dioni
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  De: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  En nombre de randy 
  armbrechtEnviado el: Martes, 
  27 de Diciembre de 2005 12:15 p.m.Para: 
  declude.junkmail@declude.comAsunto: X-I1-POSIBLE-SPAM-sr 
  [Declude.JunkMail] recurrance of delayed message 
  processing
  
  I am on hold with IPSwitch 
  checking on this issue again - (IMail 8.15hf2, declude 3.x latest) - it 
  started about 12.30pm; email comes into the server, handled by Declude, 
  processed back in Spool, but is not delivered past this pointDNS checks 
  out OK; even tried switching DNS servers and stop/starting all IMail services 
  and the Declide proc service.Declude logs show normal processing 
  activity; IMail logs simply show message coming in and that's it. 
  nothing unuasul in logs at all...(I replied back to a post this 
  morning using my regular list address, but since the server that handles that 
  address is not working, I am sending this out via our gateway server...we had 
  this happen on Xmas eve night as well)Randy 
  Armbrecht

[Declude.JunkMail] Phoning home redux

[Matt]

FYI, I'm not reposting these messages (below) for purposes of
vindication, but instead because I was gravely worried about the
potential of issues with the licensing mechanism and I felt that it was
no less prudent to point these out before these issues occurred than I
am now that they have. Both Declude and their customer base is well
served by people talking about things that concern them, and having
these things not only listened to, but also understood.

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Phone's Home
http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail@declude.com/msg21231.html
Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:57:53 -0700
...
IMO, phoning home should always be optional and prompted. While Declude
doesn't do anything insidious as far as I can tell in this case, I was
previously upset about how the data from forging virus detection was
collected and reused without asking for permission. There needs to be a
limit to what is shared from our systems for obvious reasons, but there
presently doesn't seem to be any clear boundaries. Burying disclaimers
about what might be collected and reused deep in manuals is much the
same as spammers harvesting from contests with their small print and
open-ended disclaimers. It would be good to know exactly what is
collected from our systems and how exactly it is used, and not make the
disclaimer open-ended.
  
  

Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.virus@declude.com/msg11492.html
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:38:56 -0800
...
My concerns are different yet also similar in some ways when it comes
to this license verification process. I want to know what data is
being gathered by Declude and how it is being used, and I want to be
notified before changes and given an option to not participate. I also
want to know about the pitfalls of the licensing mechanism so that I
know the caveats before I am faced with the need to perform an
emergency cold-switch.
  
I understand that Declude has a well warranted concern about unlicensed
usage of their software and improvements have to be made, however my
hands can't be tied nor my or my customer's privacy violated in order
to achieve this goal. Hopefully that will not be the case here.


There have been repeated assurances in the past and even currently that
all the bases were covered, but they aren't. I think that we deserve
to know now what changes are going to be made that guarantee that these
bases are covered in the future. For instance, Declude needs to be
able to function 100% independently of any dependence on a third-party
to enable it. This means that even if there is a 30 day grace period,
following that period the software must function without needing to
phone home successfully because no authentication system is guaranteed
to survive years that may pass, a takeover, or a failure of the company
operating it. This also needs to be more readily accessible than a
backdoor to unlock the software since that information may not survive
these circumstances. This can be done in a way that doesn't cause a
breakdown in licensing enforcement.

It's not time to complain, it's time to fix the issues and give us the
confidence that things have been thoroughly resolved. I can't imagine
that any administrator around here would disagree in light of the past
weekend's failure.

Thanks,

Matt

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

[declude]

David,

Thanks for the response but I only understand part of your answer.


An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software.


I know when I have an expired license agreement but when does my license to 
run the software expire?


Don

- Original Message - 
From: David Franco-Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue



An expired license agreement is not equal to an expired license to run the
software. It simply does not allow you to update the software, but you can
continue to run the version you have been running.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


I too have stayed at the 1.82 version while keeping my service contract 
up

to date.  I am not ambitious enough to work through all the 2.x and 3.x
issues.  A heart felt thank you goes out to those of you who are.

With the new licensing policy in 3.x, what happens when I decide not to
renew the service agreement?  Will all the Declude software I have stop
working?  Am I paying for it's usage only while I have a valid service
agreement?  It used to be that the service agreement allowed me major
version upgrades when they were available without paying an additional

fee.

Am I now paying for a license to use the software?

Don

- Original Message - 
From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 Bottom line is we were told if the license server was offline we would

not
 be impacted.  It is seeming now that that statement was not true, 
 though

I

 should withhold judgement until we hear exactly why this had an impact.
 Very glad I've stuck with 1.82 at the moment, though we had a service
 agreement that entitled us to upgrade to 3.x.

 I would certainly like to know what will be done to the software

licensing

 to make sure this problem does not happen again.  Otherwise, since mail

is

 considered a critical system, Declude needs to staff 24/7 to address
 problems as they arise.

 Darin.


 - Original Message - 
 From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:50 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue


 True, very true. But like Andy or Darrell said, they should have done a
 test
 by pulling the plug on their license server during the week when they

were

 watching it to see what would happen.

 But of course, hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning
 quarterbacking
 is highly overrated. ;-)

 John T
 eServices For You

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown
 Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:44 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hardware Issue

 Software and hardware breaks.  Nothing is bulletproof.  Some are just
 better than others.


 Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:50:20 AM, John T (Lists)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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